Does this supplement increase endogenous 11 keto?
There is no data on that, but if it increases endogenous T and inhibits aromatase then it should increase DHT as well.
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Does this supplement increase endogenous 11 keto?
It's in the lab research section (add /lab to the usuall address).Did you pull Gonadin? Or ran out of supply?
Mine is arriving today. Question @haidut I am planning on applying to scrotum as well as a couple drops to face (to support facial hair growth). Is it OK to apply before bed, or does it have a stimulating effect that might keep one awake at night?
Also, I am currently using the Andro plus pansterone combo and having great results with mood, muscle (I lift weight a few times a week) etc. Would it be over kill to use together with this or just synergistic for boosting androgens and possibly test levels? Thanks!
I just got mine from papi H.
I am eating and will take some orally. Should I started with 8 drops ?
Yes, that's what I would start with on a rat but given that it contains MCT and tocopherol it can probably be taken an empty stomach as well.
Keep us all posted please.
Rat took 8mg, so far I felt an increase in mood, feels like a pro GABA effect but not totally like other GABA agonists, just feel good. Kinda like a similar feeling after taking high dose of K2 mk4, but more prominent. Other than that don't notice anything else yet. I plan to try 16mg tomorrow.
I like the new dropper bottles though and it comes out very very easily.
BTW, are we better off putting this in rat's food, or applying topically?
Why did you choose tocopherol instead of DMSO?
Would there be any risk or concerns about applying it on top of DMSO, pansterone for example?
You mean 8mg or 8 drops? The recommended dose is 8 drops, and it has 100mg phytol and 100mg squalene. Btw, I am about to update the main thread with some more information from the phytol study on aromatase. It looks like in the same concentrations (1uM) phytol was more potent than formestane (a steroidal aromatase inhibitor similar to exemestane) in inhibiting aromatase. Perhaps even more importantly, phytol was very active in inhibiting the abnormal upregulation of aromatase, which (as the study discusses) is under the control of cortisol and inflammation.
Rat dosed with 8drops last night. 2 on face, 4 under tongue, 2 on scrotum. Rat has been doing "no FAP" for 60 days. Last night after applying gonadin and going to sleep, rat had a wet dream (first one since started on no fap). Rat slept deep, woke up 30 min before alarm this morning, and is voraciously hungry this morning.
You mean 8mg or 8 drops? The recommended dose is 8 drops, and it has 100mg phytol and 100mg squalene. Btw, I am about to update the main thread with some more information from the phytol study on aromatase. It looks like in the same concentrations (1uM) phytol was more potent than formestane (a steroidal aromatase inhibitor similar to exemestane) in inhibiting aromatase. Perhaps even more importantly, phytol was very active in inhibiting the abnormal upregulation of aromatase, which (as the study discusses) is under the control of cortisol and inflammation.
I really think this reduces cortisol. My rat painted 8 drops on his ratsack and woke up in the middle of the night with symptoms of lower blood sugar/cortisol. Rat felt very relaxed 30 minutes after taking it. Rat possibly had higher libido, today. (Not entirely sure if this is related. Rat was in the big apple with lots of hot girls and women seemed to respond more positively even with no sleep)
Yeah, I meant 8 drops, it won't let me edit my post above.
I did 16 drops this morning today. What I have noticed:
I took it around 9:00am this morning and my temps are still up and muscles still feel pumped. I'm wearing long sleeves today so it was hard to notice until I left work and started to carry grocery bags and my muscles got much more super pumped and hard despite not being in the gym for the past few days. It kind of feels similar to androsterone.
- Temps are definitely up, I was just sitting in the office all day today and mildy sweating most of the time despite really doing nothing
- Muscles are definitely more full and my waist is tighter
- The mood increase is definitely noticeable right after dosing
- Libido increase for sure
- hunger is up
I assume the effects are still going to progress as the T levels increase maybe at least until the one week mark. I will probably know more when I train in the gym too...
Thanks for that aromatase study too, this stuff definitely has estrogen lowering effects.
I had this the moment I applied Gonadin. Needless to say I think it's workingOne of the most reliable signs of higher T levels is "morning wood" and spontaneous erections even without stimulation. If you are having these then it is probably having the desired effects :)