Has anyone experienced these effects?
I didn’t notice these when taking the full dose 1x daily.
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Has anyone experienced these effects?
How does androsterone on its own affect your erection?Greetings,
Salutations @haidut, your reputation precedes you.
Subject shows signs of liking Gonadin
Gonadin creates assertiveness.
Gonadin makes subject stronger, especially combined with Andro with fuller, but leaner muscles, suggesting increased androgen receptor activity.
Gonadin increases hair growth all over.
Gonadin causes pimples and oily skin/hair.
Gonadin or Andro + Gonadin makes females approach subject and find ways to have sex with subject.
However, Gonadin or Andro + Gonadin decreases subjects libido and erection hardness, which is unusual for DHT.
Gonadin also causes subject slight thinking delays; not as sharp or agile on it. More meatheadish.
Also, finding the right balance between dosage and diet is hard for subject and results in stress responses or hyperstimulation, which can cause akward social interactions.
Subject tried high carb/sugar diet, but found this only helps at dosing times. Subject will next try high fat diet with carbs/sugar only at dosing.
Therefore, 1-2 drops of each is plenty after tissue saturation. However, fat loss is best at full dosages, but subject has inverse relationship with brain functioning.
Subject uses it sublingually, orally, and topically for no more than 4 drops.
Greetings,
Salutations @haidut, your reputation precedes you.
Subject shows signs of liking Gonadin
Gonadin creates assertiveness.
Gonadin makes subject stronger, especially combined with Andro with fuller, but leaner muscles, suggesting increased androgen receptor activity.
Gonadin increases hair growth all over.
Gonadin causes pimples and oily skin/hair.
Gonadin or Andro + Gonadin makes females approach subject and find ways to have sex with subject.
However, Gonadin or Andro + Gonadin decreases subjects libido and erection hardness, which is unusual for DHT.
Gonadin also causes subject slight thinking delays; not as sharp or agile on it. More meatheadish.
Also, finding the right balance between dosage and diet is hard for subject and results in stress responses or hyperstimulation, which can cause akward social interactions.
Subject tried high carb/sugar diet, but found this only helps at dosing times. Subject will next try high fat diet with carbs/sugar only at dosing.
Therefore, 1-2 drops of each is plenty after tissue saturation. However, fat loss is best at full dosages, but subject has inverse relationship with brain functioning.
Subject uses it sublingually, orally, and topically for no more than 4 drops.
How does androsterone on its own affect your erection?
Sorry. To clarify, DHT is supposedly known as a compound that boosts libido and erection quality.
However, subject cannot provide evidence to your question.
Subject did not entertain that idea, because all other exogenous DHT compounds (including other andros) have had the same results.
This may be individual reactions though.
Only compounds that maximize endogenous hormone production has ever had a positive effect on subjects libido and erection quality.
However, subject has never been exposed to Viagra type compounds either.
Thanks for the great feedback! The mental slowdown is likely due to both phytol and androsterone being GABA agonists. I don't think androsterone on its own would reduce erections, it is probably a matter of dosage and mixing the two. Most people report positive results with 2-3 drops andro daily, which you seemed to experience as well.
Np. Thanks for the great products!
What do you hypothesize one could add to counteract the slowdown, yet give the subject the positive benefits of all compounds?
As to the andro solo aspect, I suspect, based solely on subject’s reactions to various compounds, that the key to quality libido and erections isnt as much the andro as it is the androgens inhibiting aromatase just enough to keep some estrogen and a plethra of androgens.
Further, I suspect the true key to quality erections is more about timing e.g. arousal occurs at the precise time testosterone is converting into DHT.
Furthermore, it may be a complexity of issues affecting overall systems functioning i.e not being well fed.
However, one certainty is that when subject’s estrogen drops too low it is always associated with low vitality, which manifests as low sex drive and performance. Contrarily, this also occurs if estrogen is too high.
Therefore, my current prognosis is in line with @haidut, which is to use full doses of Gonadin with just enough Andro to exude it’s positive effects without crashing estrogen.
Pregnenolone has been shown in studies to counteract the sedative effects of alcohol, benzodiazepines, and also promote wakefullness and improve reaction time and memory. Maybe this is the reason a lot of people like to stack Pansterone with andro or Pansterone with Gonadin.
Yeah, I am pretty excited too. If it turns out that this can indeed help age-related hypogonadism without any shutdown or change in LH levels it would be pretty big deal. I suspect adding some pregnenolone and/or DHEA may make it even more powerful.
I have male 28 yr lab rats . would you recommend me trying gonadin , Pansetone , Androsterone at once? I felt I always suffered of slightly low dht levels. I am trying to boost dht, without causing suppression or shutdown of my lab rats.
Guys is there a change in the formulation of gonadin?
Squalene has been removed and something called 7 keto cholesterol is there
Yes, we did one batch with 7-keto cholesterol, which has been shown to inhibit cortisol synthesis. Squalene was reported to cause acne and we wanted to replace it. The 7-keto cholesterol is probably also going away and will be replaced by another saturated fatty acid.
if you google 7-keto cholesterol there's all talk about it causing artherosclerotic plaque?
There are all observational studies, related to the theory of cholesterol causing CVD. 7-ketocholesterol is a potent inhibitor of cortisol synthesis similar to (but much more potent) than 7-keto DHEA. See below.
7-oxysterols modulate glucocorticoid activity in adipocytes through competition for 11beta-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase type. - PubMed - NCBI
Again, some studies about it claim association between it and CVD but those studies are all observational and intervention studies administering 7-keto cholesterol did not find any negative effects. Here is one such study, which suggests that just like regular cholesterol, the 7-keto version is likely just a bystander and not a cause of CVD.
Dietary cholesterol-oxidation products accumulate in serum and liver in apolipoprotein E-deficient mice, but do not accelerate atherosclerosis. - PubMed - NCBI
Also, the amount we put in the supplement (5mg) is tiny and only enough to inhibit cortisol synthesis. In contrast, the amounts needed to match the observational studies for CVD are in the hundreds of milligrams daily. The second study above actually used the HED of hundreds of milligrams daily and still did not find negative effects. So, I highly doubt the 5mg per dose would do anything except affect the activity of 11b-HSD1 and thus lower cortisol levels.