Ray Takes Low Dose Testosterone

[superhuman]

Did you read the first part of the quote? Have you got all those sorted?


"It’s essential to have everything else in place, thyroid, calcium, magnesium, protein, vitamin D, vitamin E, pregnenolone, DHEA"

of course

 

[superhuman]

China. Made in China website. I'm thinking of ordering 1 gram. Postage is 50 dollars. 1 gram test base is 2 dollars lol

Can you PM me the website?

 

[Sobieski]

I'm still racking my brains as to what is disappointing learning that Peat uses a small amount of testosterone, or any bio-identical hormone for that matter.
I don't care how on point his diet/environment/genetic might be, a man in his 80's is going to benefit from some exogenous test.

 

[Braveheart]

I'm still racking my brains as to what is disappointing learning that Peat uses a small amount of testosterone, or any bio-identical hormone for that matter.
I don't care how on point his diet/environment/genetic might be, a man in his 80's is going to benefit from some exogenous test.

 

[superhuman]

I'm still racking my brains as to what is disappointing learning that Peat uses a small amount of testosterone, or any bio-identical hormone for that matter.
I don't care how on point his diet/environment/genetic might be, a man in his 80's is going to benefit from some exogenous test.

people are retards

 

[sladerunner69]

I wish we had a dependable source. I'm looking at landmarkchem, chinese. I have lowtiyel now and it's working quite well. You'd think ray would prefer transdermal, but for a 1mg dose maybe any potential contaminants don't matter. Unreasonable that quality testosterone is so difficult to obtain, but im glad at least progesterone is availablr for women and older people. Ray says china has the best pharmecuticals now- how times have changed.

My god. Ray has actually commended china for quality of manufacturing? And for pharmaceuticals no less? That is nearly unimaginable, was that through a private email exchange? Nothing that is made in china is ever known for purity, considering the slave wages who are unmotivated to fulfill quality control standards...

 

[goodandevil]

My god. Ray has actually commended china for quality of manufacturing? And for pharmaceuticals no less? That is nearly unimaginable, was that through a private email exchange? Nothing that is made in china is ever known for purity, considering the slave wages who are unmotivated to fulfill quality control standards...

Yeah i was surprised he said that, too. Yeah it was private email, but i posted it in the email advice thread

 

[Wagner83]

Perhaps he says this in the sense that it gives us access to products we don't have access to in Western countries, like small amounts of bioidentical hormones. Given his stance on contaminants I doubt he would recommend all/most chinese websites to order stuff but who knows.
As for Ray supplementing T, I'm not sure what the issue is, take what you want and what works from his ideas, supplementation habits (maybe) and diet and move on with your own life, choices and experimentation. I'm curious as to why he would favor taking T over thyroid or why he would need T when he can use thyroid, this would mean that T is giving him effects thyroid isn't.

 

[goodandevil]

Perhaps he says this in the sense that it gives us access to products we don't have access to in Western countries, like small amounts of bioidentical hormones. Given his stance on contaminants I doubt he would recommend all/most chinese websites to order stuff but who knows.
As for Ray supplementing T, I'm not sure what the issue is, take what you want and what works from his ideas, supplementation habits (maybe) and diet and move on with your own life, choices and experimentation. I'm curious as to why he would favor taking T over thyroid or why he would need T when he can use thyroid, this would mean that T is giving him effects thyroid isn't.

He also takes a lot of progesterone, the testosterone could be to balance that.

 

[DaveFoster]

I don't find his diet to be orthrexic at all. As someone who suffered from moderate orthrexia years ago when i eat IF, i find Peat's diet to be extremely logical and easy. I am not as strict as my man @tca300 with my food choices but i barely touch PUFA, which is easy for me. I don't find PUFA foods besides maybe peanut butter to taste good. Even this isn't a sacrifice, as i would way rather eat good dark chocolate than PB. Regardless, eating fruits, chocolate, good meat, milk, coffee, sugar, white rice, potatoes etc seems pretty normal to me. I think @haidut has a great grip at maintaining normalcy, while adhering to a Peat Friendly diet. I also drink beers occasionally, and have a very active social life. Hopefully most of you do as well. This is an important part of life.

Now, i will say that though @lampofred post is cynical and judgmental, it is relatively dissapointing to learn that he takes T. However, i think one of the good things about this forum is to learn not to judge people based on the state of their health. There shouldn't be a stigma attached to substances, especially when they help somebody. I will also say that if Ray takes T, you better damn well bet that he feels as if he needs it. I think we all underestimate how poor of health most people above the age of fifty are in. I think 80-90% of the men this age that i know take cholesterol meds, probably take viagra, etc.

I also think that Ray is a big time experimenter. He is so in love with research, that he probably figures why not try this? He's 80 and has recommended it to folks before. It makes plenty of sense the more you think about it.

Absolutely. Eating according to craving isn't "orthorexic," but there's certainly a lot of orthorexia around here, myself being a participant for some time. It's very harmful.

- Avoid processed foods and additives; eat foods that are easy to digest, taste good and fulfill cravings.
- Use hormones for physiological problems instead of drugs.
- Get plenty of sunlight.
- Live in accordance with your "internal guidance" and pursue what gives you pleasure and fulfillment.

Controversial.

 

[DaveFoster]

My god. Ray has actually commended china for quality of manufacturing? And for pharmaceuticals no less? That is nearly unimaginable, was that through a private email exchange? Nothing that is made in china is ever known for purity, considering the slave wages who are unmotivated to fulfill quality control standards...

He probably doesn't have much faith in Western quality control.

Perhaps he says this in the sense that it gives us access to products we don't have access to in Western countries, like small amounts of bioidentical hormones. Given his stance on contaminants I doubt he would recommend all/most chinese websites to order stuff but who knows.
As for Ray supplementing T, I'm not sure what the issue is, take what you want and what works from his ideas, supplementation habits (maybe) and diet and move on with your own life, choices and experimentation. I'm curious as to why he would favor taking T over thyroid or why he would need T when he can use thyroid, this would mean that T is giving him effects thyroid isn't.

He's said pregnenolone and thyroid can restore healthy levels of testosterone, but he doesn't take pregnenolone (probably due to the allergenicity.)

Therefore, it would be reasonable to assume that coffee with progesterone and testosterone (along with a good diet and other fat-solubles) could mimic the effects of thyroid and pregnenolone.

 

[Aleeri]

Now, i will say that though @lampofred post is cynical and judgmental, it is relatively dissapointing to learn that he takes T.

I don't understand why you guys get all fired up about this, in the DHT thread you all have discussions about how Ray wants to try DHT cream, does the T really come as a surprise?

Besides, a major part of this forum's users is experimenting with hormone metabolites (haidut's products, 11-keto-dht and such) that does not have a lot research done to them. Ray repeatedly said he thinks it is a bad idea to consume them.

Such hypocrites... :P

 

[lampofred]

I admit that I was kind of in a bad mood when I made that comment and that it might have sounded like I give Dr. Peat less credit than I actually do. If I didn't admire his work, I wouldn't be here.

But still: several of the responses to my comment are so defensive and avoidant of the actual idea I was trying to express that there's no point in quoting and replying to them individually, but do people really see no issue with the fact that someone who has spent their entire career researching hormones and asserting that a good diet/nutrition/environment can fix the majority of the issues that today's drug-based/pharmaceuticals-oriented medical industry pushes medicines for has to manually balance all of the hormones he claims that a good diet and thyroid supplementation will balance automatically? The specific issue that made me make that comment was that Peat has repeatedly said ADHD is caused by poor thyroid function/energy and he has repeatedly said that the cause of poor thyroid function is endotoxin and PUFA excess and also PUFA-deficient animals don't suffer from endotoxin. What is the implication behind that? Naturally anyone reading that would come to the conclusion that he thinks being PUFA-deficient/supplementing thyroid will basically balance all hormones/cure all brain-energy issues/etc. If anyone is PUFA-deficient, it's him, so why does he need all those exogenous hormones if PUFA-deficiency will cure so many issues as he claims? If PUFA-deficiency makes you hyper-metabolic with ample brain energy, how is it that he's able to handle so much caffeine without jumping off walls (he said an entire POUND of coffee only lasts him 2-3 days)? Why make all these unrealistic claims about the benefits of PUFA-deficiency if they are clearly not true?

I've learned a lot from Dr. Peat, am still learning a lot from him, and easily consider him a genius/one of the smartest people I have ever come across, but he tends to make exaggerated claims about what a good diet can do for you in terms of fixing health issues which personally has made me obsess way too much about finding the right diet for me/improving my thyroid function when the reality is that certain things just need drugs/hormones to fix. I realize this is my fault for taking what he says about PUFA too seriously, and that my irritation at finding out that PUFA deficiency won't cure everything (which should have been obvious) made me irritated at finding out he uses testosterone because if anyone is PUFA-deficient, it's him. Anyway, this has been a ramble and overall has just made sound like an idiot. Whatever.

 

[Aleeri]

If anyone is PUFA-deficient, it's him, so why does he need all those exogenous hormones if PUFA-deficiency will cure so many issues as he claims? If PUFA-deficiency makes you hyper-metabolic with ample brain energy, how is it that he's able to handle so much caffeine without jumping off walls (he said an entire POUND of coffee only lasts him 2-3 days)? Why make all these unrealistic claims about the benefits of PUFA-deficiency if they are clearly not true?

I've learned a lot from Dr. Peat, am still learning a lot from him, and easily consider him a genius/one of the smartest people I have ever come across, but he tends to make exaggerated claims about what a good diet can do for you in terms of fixing health issues which personally has made me obsess way too much about finding the right diet for me/improving my thyroid function when the reality is that certain things just need drugs/hormones to fix. I realize this is my fault for taking what he says about PUFA too seriously, and that my irritation at finding out that PUFA deficiency won't cure everything (which should have been obvious) made me irritated at finding out he uses testosterone because if anyone is PUFA-deficient, it's him. Anyway, this has been a ramble and overall has just made sound like an idiot. Whatever.

What makes you think he needs to take the T? He could take it just because he enjoys the boost in hormone levels, same as you would drink a cup of coffee just for the boost in energy it will give you (as like 90% of the rest of the western world does too).

There is nothing to point toward that you need to be sick from something to take such low doses of T.

And concerning the caffeine, it's called tolerance.

 

[lampofred]

What makes you think he needs to take the T? He could take it just because he enjoys the boost in hormone levels, same as you would drink a cup of coffee just for the boost in energy it will give you (as like 90% of the rest of the western world does too).

There is nothing to point toward that you need to be sick from something to take such low doses of T.

And concerning the caffeine, it's called tolerance.

Yeah I know, I was wrong. He makes it seem like being PUFA deficient makes you a god and I didn't think gods would want to take exogenous testosterone or caffeine because they already feel so good. Obviously I was being irrational.

If being PUFA deficient doesn't make you a god, what's the point of giving up fries and fried chicken tho. Nomsayin

 

[Such_Saturation]

Gotta take this old classic for a spin

 

[lampofred]

What makes you think he needs to take the T? He could take it just because he enjoys the boost in hormone levels, same as you would drink a cup of coffee just for the boost in energy it will give you (as like 90% of the rest of the western world does too).

There is nothing to point toward that you need to be sick from something to take such low doses of T.

And concerning the caffeine, it's called tolerance.

Also as a counterargument, even though I literally already said I was wrong, I think Peat would say most people in the western drink coffee because their metabolism is poor. Kids don't need coffee and coffee revs them up way too much. If being PUFA/iron free balances your metabolism to become like "that of a 10 year old kid" (which I quote because he has said it was possible), then why does he still use stimulants? That means either being PUFA/iron free doesn't do what he claims it does, or it takes longer than a few decades to get there (since that's how long he's been doing this) which makes it just as unactionable as in the first case.

 

[lampofred]

I say all this but at the end of the day i'm not ever going to go back to eating PUFA bc being PUFA free makes my hair too lush...

 

[Mito]

Gotta take this old classic for a spin

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Wow was that 1 mg of T dissolved in DMSO or something?

 

[Such_Saturation]

DMSO

Yes. Even more shocking revelation, I know