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Has anyone tried low dose testosterone

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Hey! Has anyone here experimented with low dose testosterone with good results?

I remember someone referencing Peat say that a healthy young adult produces around 4-5mg/day. I'm wondering what amount would be therapeutic for someone journeying through autoimmunity, stress, chronic pain and etc., whilst also avoiding shutdown? Would a topical dose of 1-2mg/day possibly add to ones own production without causing a cessation of endogenous levels? I've even heard that a very low dose can stimulate a production of more test but I don't have the reference/study for that. Everything else that Ray mentions in the quote below is in-place and getting dialed in.

"It’s essential to have everything else in place, thyroid, calcium, magnesium, protein, vitamin D, vitamin E, pregnenolone, DHEA; then one milligram per day can have very strong effects, quickly." -RP
 

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I know ray has mentioned taking one mg testosterone on the lips before. Idk if he still does that or not.

Im planning to experiment with low dose test myself, after I fix my crippling financial issues.
 
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I remember a guy who uses 1mg of T on his scrotum daily and has been doing it for decades. He’s In his 80s with healthy T levels.

Progesterone and 5mg of DHEA can raise T very reliably and safely and would be my first recommendation.
 

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I remember a guy who uses 1mg of T on his scrotum daily and has been doing it for decades. He’s In his 80s with healthy T levels.

Progesterone and 5mg of DHEA can raise T very reliably and safely and would be my first recommendation.
Nice. So, in his case the 1mg of test topically added to his endogenous levels of T. Glad it works as an “add-on” for him and doesn’t cause shut down. That encourages me to give it a try. Would love to hear from anyone here on the forum who has tried it as well.

I’ve been on progesterone with DHEA for awhile now. I’m sure it has been helping but I feel like I need more assistance.
 

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Hey! Has anyone here experimented with low dose testosterone with good results?

I remember someone referencing Peat say that a healthy young adult produces around 4-5mg/day. I'm wondering what amount would be therapeutic for someone journeying through autoimmunity, stress, chronic pain and etc., whilst also avoiding shutdown? Would a topical dose of 1-2mg/day possibly add to ones own production without causing a cessation of endogenous levels? I've even heard that a very low dose can stimulate a production of more test but I don't have the reference/study for that. Everything else that Ray mentions in the quote below is in-place and getting dialed in.

"It’s essential to have everything else in place, thyroid, calcium, magnesium, protein, vitamin D, vitamin E, pregnenolone, DHEA; then one milligram per day can have very strong effects, quickly." -RP
Nope, only doses of minimum 50mg twice a day.
I don't really see the point of low doses when most men's androgen receptors todays are completely clogged and androgens can't attach to them.
You need massive doses of testosterone to exert the same activity at the receptor level as 50 years ago,
Why do you think most men today have good T levels but no physical caracteristics of normal T?
Because those normal T levels floating around in your blood have nowhere to attach to.
Just look at pictures from mid century and compare the androgenic attributes of men back then to those of men now.
 
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Nope, only doses of minimum 50mg twice a day.
I don't really see the point of low doses when most men's androgen receptors todays are completely clogged and androgens can't attach to them.
You need massive doses of testosterone to exert the same activity at the receptor level as 50 years ago,
Why do you think most men today have good T levels but no physical caracteristics of normal T?
Because those normal T levels floating around in your blood have nowhere to attach to.
Just look at pictures from mid century and compare the androgenic attributes of men back then to those of men now.
I don’t know where you get these ideas. Why would T have less effect today?
 

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There is no point in this since almost every guy in particular will come to terms with the whole, "Go big or go home," mentality with this.

Testosterone is "estrogenic" from my understanding, even if it is anti-estrogenic at the same time too (ironic?)

I have dug around the scene and pretty much agree that the most obvious "androgenic calmness" or "boost" feeling many guys report is ironically DHT, not test itself.

That begs the idea if whether you would want super high testosterone in the first place to gain some additional DHT benefits. You could just take DHT and DHEA and thyroid and this mixture is like testosterone without actually having to massively abuse the singular form for down the line benefits you can just get directly.

Even if "receptors are clogged" as @Matestube said I would rather "unclug" or "unblock" this so it works adequately than take 10x the amount of something risky like testosterone in order to not fix a problem but pave it over and experiment with these hormones in megadoses and their biological mechanisms over time (which can be damaging or such).

I have even heard of guys saying they blast test for "pheromones" when you can just use pheromones bio-identically anyways to see if they have any "effects" (I have done this and notice nothing, but that isn't relevant in this thread).

Few guys want to do a little because they do not want to improve a problem but paint over it and take on a new "form" AKA the "test high" since it kind of works like estrogen anyways but in a different kind of respect.

Notice how lots of guys on mega gear say they feel super, unstoppable and like they can do anything? Well those same feelings just so happen to overlap with bipolar disorder which is rooted more so in estrogenic affects on an organism. Some also say they feel "masculine" but I can tell you for certain that a high degree of said "manly feeling" can also be reached with T3, NDT, dark coffee, DHEA, Androsterone, dopamine agonist drugs, and other illicit drugs even too. So while testosterone is not bad per se you can easily make it more such if you take huge amounts of it since it just works like a ghastly cousin of estrogen in ways too, even if at the same time it can actually reduce estrogen or estrogenic-related issues (because it itself has a similar mechanism of action on the organism even if obviously not exact). I get the idea behind it but it seems pointless when it isn't bringinf about any benefits you would otherwise equate to a good thyroid, good health and mind and body and purpose, saturated compounds and a rich environment where you can be a man and get what you want reasonably/feel accomplished. It is like makeup for men ... You paint over a stronger front even if underneath (or outside of you) something is sub-optimal and with a high degree of a hormones or hormones you can avoid the consequences of this, or change the way you see it (which can go for other drugs too -- see how people experience life with shrooms or even cypro vs. with high serotonin and sickness/endotoxins for comparison).

Just admit it though, guys ... You take it not for health but to change or take on a new "form" of yourself through experimentation and such. I am not hating ... It is an interesting concept but hardly is it "health based" when you are roiding hard rather than supplementing some hormones. For health you would take 10-20mg of Benadryl ... For "fun" some people might take 100-200mg ... Hopefully the idea comes across well. @Jing

As for the question I intend on actually trying low doses but I need to get in a slightly better place financially for that.
 
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Why would T have less effect today?
A hormone has no effect in and of itself.
It has an effect once it attaches to a receptor.
In the last 50 years there has been a explosion of heavy metals and xenoestrogens.
These environmental toxins are well-known to occupy androgen receptors and prevent testosterone from exerting its actions.
One way to circumvent this issue is to have more circulating testosterone.
 

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Just admit it though, guys ... You take it not for health but to change or take on a new "form" of yourself through experimentation and such.
I've admitted this since the beginning, I never pretended to take testosterone for health reasons.
I take it because I have long-lasting low e2 secondary to Exemestane abuse, and low e2 feels like hell.
The only thing that has made me feel better in the last 5 years is testosterone.
I take it purely to feel better mentally and physically, to feel euphoria, appetite, sexual pleasure, musical pleasure, feel my muscles full and functional all the time.
All of these things are absent with low e2.
 

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There is no point in this since almost every guy in particular will come to terms with the whole, "Go big or go home," mentality with this.

Testosterone is "estrogenic" from my understanding, even if it is anti-estrogenic at the same time too (ironic?)
hi,"testosterone is estrogenic",explicit,what do you mean its estrogenic and how does that matter to the actual topic?
I have dug around the scene and pretty much agree that the most obvious "androgenic calmness" or "boost" feeling many guys report is ironically DHT, not test itself.
calmness is not the end all be allin it self ,and i dont see most people claiming they take T because they want to feel mainly calm,where do you see an ironie?
That begs the idea if whether you would want super high testosterone in the first place to gain some additional DHT benefits.
this does not beg the idea considering that testosterone and DHT have different characteristics associated to it.
You could just take DHT and DHEA and thyroid and this mixture is like testosterone without actually having to massively abuse the singular form for down the line benefits you can just get directly.
what do you base this claim from?
Even if "receptors are clogged" as @Matestube said I would rather "unclug" or "unblock" this so it works adequately than take 10x the amount of something risky like testosterone in order to not fix a problem but pave it over and experiment with these hormones in megadoses and their biological mechanisms over time (which can be damaging or such).
this is another "natural" vs "synthetic"sterile argument,if people feel better long term with talking 10x the amount of something like testosterone,and they do not experience negative symptoms,they are right,they do not have to adhere to some "natural"dogma.
I have even heard of guys saying they blast test for "pheromones" when you can just use pheromones bio-identically anyways to see if they have any "effects" (I have done this and notice nothing, but that isn't relevant in this thread).

Few guys want to do a little because they do not want to improve a problem but paint over it and take on a new "form" AKA the "test high" since it kind of works like estrogen anyways but in a different kind of respect.

Notice how lots of guys on mega gear say they feel super, unstoppable and like they can do anything? Well those same feelings just so happen to overlap with bipolar disorder which is rooted more so in estrogenic affects on an organism. Some also say they feel "masculine" but I can tell you for certain that a high degree of said "manly feeling" can also be reached with T3, NDT, dark coffee, DHEA, Androsterone, dopamine agonist drugs, and other illicit drugs even too. So while testosterone is not bad per se you can easily make it more such if you take huge amounts of it since it just works like a ghastly cousin of estrogen in ways too, even if at the same time it can actually reduce estrogen or estrogenic-related issues (because it itself has a similar mechanism of action on the organism even if obviously not exact). I get the idea behind it but it seems pointless when it isn't bringinf about any benefits you would otherwise equate to a good thyroid, good health and mind and body and purpose, saturated compounds and a rich environment where you can be a man and get what you want reasonably/feel accomplished. It is like makeup for men ... You paint over a stronger front even if underneath (or outside of you) something is sub-optimal and with a high degree of a hormones or hormones you can avoid the consequences of this, or change the way you see it (which can go for other drugs too -- see how people experience life with shrooms or even cypro vs. with high serotonin and sickness/endotoxins for comparison).
how does feeling supper and unstoppable and feel like you can do anything overlap with bipolar disorder and "estrogenic affects on an organism"

what do you define by "high degree of said "manly feeling"",your standard of high degree might not be the same as another person,wich want a higher degree that the one you deem high enough.

how does it work like a "ghastly cousin of estrogen"according to you?why would it be bad if you consider it bad?
what do you base your claim from that "it is not bringing about any benefitts you would otherwise equate with a good thyroid"?which "saturated compounds" are you refering about,how do you measure the degree of saturation of something?

wich rich environnement where you can be a "man"are you refering to?how do you know thats the case if yourself you do not appear to feel this way?

why would you claim that taking testosterone for some is "hiding" their problem and not "fixing their problem"like make up,if they do not experience their negative symptoms anymore due to testosterone consumption?
Just admit it though, guys ... You take it not for health but to change or take on a new "form" of yourself through experimentation and such. I am not hating ... It is an interesting concept but hardly is it "health based" when you are roiding hard rather than supplementing some hormones. For health you would take 10-20mg of Benadryl ... For "fun" some people might take 100-200mg ... Hopefully the idea comes across well. @Jing

As for the question I intend on actually trying low doses but I need to get in a slightly better place financially for that.
there is nothing to "admit"because there is nothing denied in the first place,"new form"set of characteristics that you wish to improve and that make you feel better,thats health,health is not just not having pain,health is varying degree of physicals and mentals characteristics and phenomenons you experience.
"10-20mg of benadryl health""to high dose testosterone unhealthy",how do deem the dose limit,the gap,between heathy hormone supplementation,and to high unhealthy hormone supplementation?
no, the idea to me come acrossas a "natural" vs "synthetic/unatural"harmfull sterile argument
 

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That begs the idea if whether you would want super high testosterone in the first place to gain some additional DHT benefits. You could just take DHT and DHEA and thyroid and this mixture is like testosterone without actually having to massively abuse the singular form for down the line benefits you can just get directly.
Doesn't DHT or DHT derivatives lower serum Testosterone, through negative feedback loop? That's why it's taken alongside T.
And regarding DHEA, it's not even much used in bodybuilding circles, so I figure they surely know better. My endo also told me that DHEA is a very weak androgen.
 
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I don't believe in receptors and I don't believe these phantoms get "clogged."

Today men have lower T due to porn and PUFAs, IMHO. If they quit porn and get rid of PUFAs they can bounce back.
 

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I don't believe in receptors and I don't believe these phantoms get "clogged."

Today men have lower T due to porn and PUFAs, IMHO. If they quit porn and get rid of PUFAs they can bounce back.
Did you have success bouncing back from low t to normal t? Asking for my family member. He has very low t and has for years. He doesn’t want to take T. He is a bit overweight but lifts heavy weights 4x a week. Has a desk job. Eats everything, so a decent amount of PUFA but gets a wide range of micros too. Any advice for someone like that? Oh... and he also takes kratom every day. I’m somewhat convinced that stuff tanks t based on reports from users.
 

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I don't believe in receptors and I don't believe these phantoms get "clogged."

Today men have lower T due to porn and PUFAs, IMHO. If they quit porn and get rid of PUFAs they can bounce back.
I would understand you not believing in receptors being clogged, but how can you not believe in receptors' existance?
Their presence, activity and mechanisms have been studied in vitro and in vivo over and over again.
If they don't exist, how do you think hormones exert their signaling effects on the different organs?
 
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I would understand you not believing in receptors being clogged, but how can you not believe in receptors' existance?
Their presence, activity and mechanisms have been studied in vitro and in vivo over and over again.
If they don't exist, how do you think hormones exert their signaling effects on the different organs?
Dr. Peat doesn't believe the receptor theory. The theory has no factual evidence for existence that can be demonstrated in real life. It's convenient to talk about "receptors" as an abstract concept though.
 
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Did you have success bouncing back from low t to normal t? Asking for my family member. He has very low t and has for years. He doesn’t want to take T. He is a bit overweight but lifts heavy weights 4x a week. Has a desk job. Eats everything, so a decent amount of PUFA but gets a wide range of micros too. Any advice for someone like that? Oh... and he also takes kratom every day. I’m somewhat convinced that stuff tanks t based on reports from users.
yes very successful. My T today is higher than most people's and my estrogen and prolactin are in the lower normal range. I feel like a million bucks, have good erections, and have a good libido.

I had low T for years and years. Eating Peat-friendly diet, and using progesterone and DHEA and thyroid has made all the difference.
 

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yes very successful. My T today is higher than most people's and my estrogen and prolactin are in the lower normal range. I feel like a million bucks, have good erections, and have a good libido.

I had low T for years and years. Eating Peat-friendly diet, and using progesterone and DHEA and thyroid has made all the difference.
I'm also considering thyroid at the moment. Just ordered T3 and T4.
I was considering starting off with 12.5mcg T3 am + 12.5mcg T3 pm, and 50mcg T4 E3D to prevent from it generating too much rT3.

What's your protocol?
 

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