Has Anyone Tried Raising Testosterone Without Raising Dht?

[LegendeLic]

the thing is I can't pinpoint that I made progress with 5ar inhibitors or reducing dht. I also felt like I made progress by taking creatine for a while. All I have read on here is that DHT isn't the bad guy. And as in the thread title I just didn't want to raise the dht extra with the T but not lower DHT. I thought it might be about the ratio. Clearly I don't like estrogens in body that much as a man.
I still take a little zinc but not that much so that 5ar would be inhibited I guess. Also I use nettle leaf and root which should be an aromatase inhibitor.

As for now while I am on the protocol of the doc I don't want to use 5adhp or pansterone anymore although I felt the first one helped the most of the two.

 

[benaoao]

Using mild aromatase inhibitors should down regulate the need for DHT too, which leads to a healthier DHT metabolism.

I really think keeping e2 TIGHT around 20-30 pg/ml is paramount; people have SHBG all over the place and using plants as medicine + a proper diet should work well. Of course you’d get the double benefit of a healthy thyroid

 

[LegendeLic]

sooo I guess I can report something back...
the medication/drugs the doctor prescribed didn't really hit home. In the end I kind of felt it made matters worse.
so the doctor rally starts again... I did stop aspirin around that time or a little bit before (after taking it regularly for about 6 months or so) and since then my sleep deteriorated quite a bit. when i take aspirin i can sleep longer or long enough. so to me it feels like there is some inflammation viral or bacterial going on in my lower abdomen.
I will try to get ibuprofen instead of aspirin ... just to see if there is a difference in overall well being.
Also trying again if 5adhp or pansterone helps me more fighting this thing. maybe the aspirin + NAC combo is also viable support, if it didn't make my allergy symptoms worse :/

has anyone an idea which one of the two 5adhp or pansterone is more anti-inflammatory anti-bacterial?

edit: side note ... it's not just that the sleep is off... also a lymph note at my throat is slightly swolen.

 

[LegendeLic]

well I am reporting to resolve this... I finally did it!
My prostate problems where real... but untreated... several courses of antibiotics finally stopped it. But that wasn't all...my sleep is and was shitty and I wasn't the chilled person I used to be. A while before peating I already stopped dark chocolate and chashews/almonds. While reporting here and so on I stopped Magnesium + zinc + aspirin, all of it. The last week a reintroduced dark chocolate + the last two days I tried 800mg Magnesium... the chill factor is amazing... the sleep is amazing and dreams(+morning wood) I can recall...are back! I will get me some nuts also...
What's important to state...is ... that prostatitis and the healing of it didn't resolve the sleep issues and other issues down there...

edit: would make some sense why pumpkin seeds also help some...

 

[Spondive]

So what happenend here?
extrapolate it..
you use a 5AR inhibitors SP, zinc = 5AR, pumpkin = magnesium & zinc, fibers, also 5AR.
...
when tissue estrogen is dominant, estrogen will keep converting androgens into estrogens.
'DHT <-> estradiol', gives prostate problems.

So zinc helped because it reduces T conversion into DHT -> into estradiol. But keeps T low.
Therefore you need to shift estrogen towards Testosterone dominance, via 5AR + Estrogen knock off + Aromatase Inhibitor.
cholesterol/pregnenolone, zinc, 5a-DHP, some AI of your choice.

edit: increase T via pregnenolone ->DHEA-> T
oh and using 5AR will keep more Progesterone around to oppose the estrogens

So what would you take if you have very low testosterone and low libido?

 

[Douglas Ek]

I think I solved my puzzle. I read a lot in the forum since about 6 months. Tried mostly diet and supplement routes. And until now some very minimal approaches (only 1-2 drops a day oral or dermal) with progesterone, 5a-dhp and cypro.

Before I pushed my dht leves to high via creatine since then my libido is wasted. Also did low carb and intermittent fasting. So stress brought up dht and T down.
I figures this also because, i got my hormones tested several times and the doctors say T is normal and also they don't look at DHT. I will go to a specialist as well to confirm my theory with another test soon.

My libido I goes up when i drank alcohol the night before. Which is what I've read in this forum before. so it also might be that the allopregnanolone pathway is wased and i should try more with 5adhp. Thing is i take 1 drop only and my balls hurt/feel pressure.

So following my thoughts and what I've tried before would like to try the question in the thread title naturally before seeing the specialist.
I know there is a testboost protocol from haidut with protein, zinc, magnesium, b6, vit e. I am more or less trying that right now. It seems to have somewhat postive impact on my overall health but not necessarily on the libido department per se until now.

Any ideas about adaptation? Not using vit E that much? Any other ideas? I dont want to block dht, i just dont want it to go up with the t levels. If some thread with similar topic exists...i searched the forum a lot and didn't really find something...

Lysine seems to help somewhat.

red ginseng is on my radar right now (DIM, Calcium-d-glucarate, Quercitin might be options too?)

other side notes: had prostate problems since 18 years old (they were totally harmless but something was off). after using creatine i got prostatitis at the age of 27 years.
felt some libido improvement on saw palmetto+zinc+pumpkin seed combo, after the prostatitis...which i think did never heal properly. Now I know saw palmetto is practically poison and i dont use it anymore...although it halted my receeding hairline and improved libido somewhat.

Get more labs if you have em please post. Want to see following
TSH
T3
T4
Prolactin
Cortisol
T
E
DHT
SHBG

Like someone mentioned. DHT is the bodies natural way of reducing Estrogen so increased DHT in some cases maybe because of elevated estrogen.

 

[LegendeLic]

Well the T3 is rather good but free T3 is closer to the bottom of the range so either TBG or rT3 are high. Anyhow, I’d start eating in a thyroid friendly way. Baby aspirin is great, coconut will help too.

Your sensitivity to LH isn’t optimal, a diet rich in antioxidants will help, alongside red light and/or topical vitamin D, 100iu vitamin E, 30mg of zinc, maybe 600mg of NAC.

okay... at the moment im using more or less your advice. and it seems to help...gradually feeling better on 15mg zinc, 600-1200mg NAC, selenium and vit E;

I am quite amazed by your diagnostic skill in that regard :)
Unfortunately I tried mostly other stuff my doctors prescribed me before trying kind of your advice. Anyhow right now it seems I am on the right track.
I wonder though I can't really do aspirin it makes me feel worse, I will try coconut oil again.
And what I really wonder is...why on earth did this happen in the first place? why do i need such an amount of antioxidants? It wasn't the case 3 or 4 years ago.
Nothing has really changed... i have been taking krill oil for most of that time maybe that's the reason... I most definitely dropped that now.

Anyhow again, I am very thankful for all the advice given in here.
I will try to get some labs again this year, but rather when i feel like my issues are really fixed or on the path there.

 

[LegendeLic]

I am removing the zinc and selenium and swap it out against copper since copper might help with LH.

 

[TheBeard]

I think I solved my puzzle.

the thing is I can't pinpoint

Okkk...