Libido - ED - Need some help pls [DHT / Minox? ]

Shadow5

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Hi all.

First, I want to thank everyone here for the positive answers and usefull informations. It's an very helpfull forum.

Here is my story :



I took finasteride without any side effects in 2016 for months and summer 2017 with 0 side but i stopped caused of being parano about long term use. I could have sex 7 times a day at that time (before FIN, during FIN and after FIN). So Finasterid did nothing. I survived fin and was all good until 2019....


...I took saw palmeto for one month in late 2019 + 6 months of ORAL minoxidyl and nettle root and anti-dht diet from summer 2019 to winter 2019 and Bam, crashed.



Since then (more than one year now) , I have absolutely 0 libido, ED and panick attacks sometimes. I had hard depression but I’m better now, even tough my sexuals sides worry me a lot…

I can get an erection with porn, or nocturnal, but I loose them so quickly when I move, get up, or even when my visual stimulu fades for no reason like if I had ejaculate but no…



On the other hand, my **** is BIGGER flaccid and same size erect. No shrinkage at all, quite the opposite.


On top of that, I have the best shape of my life. I lift since 5 years, so was already muscular, but man this year I got even more muscles while loosing more fats.

I’m 85kg shredded (with Nice 6 packs) for 1m82 (nearly 6 feet).

My testo is high. Dht was low but in range now. Medium in the ladder.

Those last symptoms seems to be the opposite of bad androgen receptors or bad hormonal profile.



How the **** can I have 0 libido at 26 when I was horny all the time (can fap/sex 5/6/7 times a day before) with ed and panick attacks while at the same time Im so muscular to the point people ask me if I take steroids ?

I also have eczela on chin since 4 motnhs (never had any skin problem of my life).


Can someone explain this? Hypothesis are welcome.

Thanks a lot guys.




-Testo high range
-Dht Medium range
-E2 high range
-Cholesterol ok
-Prolactin middle range
-Blood pressure 12/8 ( good)
-DHEA middle range
-DHGB : Middle / high range
 

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Saw Palmetto contains fatty acids and sterols which inhibit 5-alpha reductase just like Finasteride, so the potential mechanisms for permanent side effects would be mostly similar, with the possibility of there being additional things in Saw Palmetto (it's a herb with 100s of compounds in it after all) that could cause side effects via other mechanisms. Still, libido side effects point to androgen disturbance.

Also, not all PFS-sufferers have the same set of symptoms.

What I'm trying to say is that I think you would benefit from a similar approach with similar therapies, as most of us on the PFS thread.
 

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Saw Palmetto contains fatty acids and sterols which inhibit 5-alpha reductase just like Finasteride, so the potential mechanisms for permanent side effects would be mostly similar, with the possibility of there being additional things in Saw Palmetto (it's a herb with 100s of compounds in it after all) that could cause side effects via other mechanisms. Still, libido side effects point to androgen disturbance.

Also, not all PFS-sufferers have the same set of symptoms.

What I'm trying to say is that I think you would benefit from a similar approach with similar therapies, as most of us on the PFS thread.

Do you think there is any point to take HCG while hormonal lvl are good /OK, muscles are overdevelopped?
 

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Do you think oral minoxidyl could have an link in all of these?

A lot of users says that minox killed their libido and made ed
 

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Hi all.

First, I want to thank everyone here for the positive answers and usefull informations. It's an very helpfull forum.

Here is my story :



I took finasteride without any side effects in 2016 for months and summer 2017 with 0 side but i stopped caused of being parano about long term use. I could have sex 7 times a day at that time (before FIN, during FIN and after FIN). So Finasterid did nothing. I survived fin and was all good until 2019....


...I took saw palmeto for one month in late 2019 + 6 months of ORAL minoxidyl and nettle root and anti-dht diet from summer 2019 to winter 2019 and Bam, crashed.



Since then (more than one year now) , I have absolutely 0 libido, ED and panick attacks sometimes. I had hard depression but I’m better now, even tough my sexuals sides worry me a lot…

I can get an erection with porn, or nocturnal, but I loose them so quickly when I move, get up, or even when my visual stimulu fades for no reason like if I had ejaculate but no…



On the other hand, my **** is BIGGER flaccid and same size erect. No shrinkage at all, quite the opposite.


On top of that, I have the best shape of my life. I lift since 5 years, so was already muscular, but man this year I got even more muscles while loosing more fats.

I’m 85kg shredded (with Nice 6 packs) for 1m82 (nearly 6 feet).

My testo is high. Dht was low but in range now. Medium in the ladder.

Those last symptoms seems to be the opposite of bad androgen receptors or bad hormonal profile.



How the **** can I have 0 libido at 26 when I was horny all the time (can fap/sex 5/6/7 times a day before) with ed and panick attacks while at the same time Im so muscular to the point people ask me if I take steroids ?

I also have eczela on chin since 4 motnhs (never had any skin problem of my life).


Can someone explain this? Hypothesis are welcome.

Thanks a lot guys.




-Testo high range
-Dht Medium range
-E2 high range
-Cholesterol ok
-Prolactin middle range
-Blood pressure 12/8 ( good)
-DHEA middle range
-DHGB : Middle / high range

Losing an erection very easily or as soon as you move sounds like high noradrenaline. At night your sympathetic nervous system is basically off. Thats why you can still get nocturnal erections without a problem.

You can try B1, B3, choline (eat more eggs or a supplement) this should increase acetylcholine. Also zinc can help in small doses. B3 also helps erections by reducing methylation (which reduces deactivation of histamine) which increases histamine which will help erections.

How is vascularity in the gym? Get good pumps or not so much?
 

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Losing an erection very easily or as soon as you move sounds like high noradrenaline. At night your sympathetic nervous system is basically off. Thats why you can still get nocturnal erections without a problem.

You can try B1, B3, choline (eat more eggs or a supplement) this should increase acetylcholine. Also zinc can help in small doses. B3 also helps erections by reducing methylation (which reduces deactivation of histamine) which increases histamine which will help erections.

How is vascularity in the gym? Get good pumps or not so much?

Thanks for your answer.

Pump is decent i'd say, but not as good as it was before for sure.

Eggs did nothing for me (was eating 7 organic egs a day at one moment, from my parent's chickens).

I already supplement with 7mg zinc, nothing too :(

Increasing histamine is the way to go you think?

Do you have any theroy about no libido?

Thanks man
 

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Losing an erection very easily or as soon as you move sounds like high noradrenaline. At night your sympathetic nervous system is basically off. Thats why you can still get nocturnal erections without a problem.

You can try B1, B3, choline (eat more eggs or a supplement) this should increase acetylcholine. Also zinc can help in small doses. B3 also helps erections by reducing methylation (which reduces deactivation of histamine) which increases histamine which will help erections.

How is vascularity in the gym? Get good pumps or not so much?
Btw most of the time, even night erections aren't that hard (the ones I can feel when I'm semi-awake, dunno about the ones when I'm in deep sleep obviously)
 
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Do you think there is any point to take HCG while hormonal lvl are good /OK, muscles are overdevelopped?

Most PFS patients have normal hormonal levels. The receptors themselves lose expression, and enzymes like 5-AR whose activity is hard to quantify on a blood test (serum DHT tells very little).

You can have low levels of DHT & neurosteroids in your central nervous system which could affect your libido without that ever appearing on a blood test, so I wouldn't use that as criteria whether or not to embark on treatment.
 

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Most PFS patients have normal hormonal levels. The receptors themselves lose expression, and enzymes like 5-AR whose activity is hard to quantify on a blood test (serum DHT tells very little).

You can have low levels of DHT & neurosteroids in your central nervous system which could affect your libido without that ever appearing on a blood test, so I wouldn't use that as criteria whether or not to embark on treatment.

You are totaly right.

My body LOOKS androgenic but my brain isn't.

I have so much muscles with 0 libido, it's so ironic.

Would you risk low dose HCG?
I don't wanna **** my body even more and loose my muscles.
 
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You are totaly right.

My body LOOKS androgenic but my brain isn't.

I have so much muscles with 0 libido, it's so ironic.

Would you risk low dose HCG?
I don't wanna **** my body even more and loose my muscles.

I have been using it personally since mid September and it has helped a great deal. Also used Proviron and Tamoxifen as well (in short cycles just to shock/reset enzymes and receptors back to normal).
 

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It may or may not be from any of the supplements you listed, hard to know. The synchronicity isn't obvious.

What I can tell you is when my endotoxin load is high, my libido and erections are non existant.

When I take antibiotics, I have strong morning woods and raging libido in the evening for no reason.

It could well be that you developed digestive issues within the same timeline but are focussing too much on the anti DHT supplements you were taking.
 

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Thanks for your answers guys.

@TheBeard do you have any recommandation? I eat clean, do workout, eat prebiotic.
 

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I have been using it personally since mid September and it has helped a great deal. Also used Proviron and Tamoxifen as well (in short cycles just to shock/reset enzymes and receptors back to normal).
You recovered some libido?
 

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Maybe can be the suppression of pregesterone and allopregnanolone. Both are really beneficial for libido and erectile quality.
 

Shadow5

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Supplementing with pregnenolone and/or progesterone.
For a lifetime? Or it's only temporary?


Actually I have :

-big muscles
-low fat
-eczema on chin (pb due to hormonal changes)
-0libido and ed
-mood swings, sometimes dépression'.
 
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