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@dfspcc20: Do you recall roughly how long it took your symptoms to go away after you dropped the vitamin E supplements containing MCT oil?
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I think within 48 hours, IIRC.
Have you tried eliminating the carrot salad for a while? For me, it used to work well, but after a while it started giving me problems. Bowel movements would become more irregular, less frequent, and I’d also have very intense stress feelings as food was passing to - I think - the lower intestines and on. So intense that I’d have to stop doing what I’m doing and wait for it to be over. (Which didn’t take very long.) The smell would be absolutely foul and the relieve great. Also got the impression that I’d developed a nasty BO.
I took me a while to figure out that it’s actually the carrot, because it’s such common advice around here and a lot of people seem to do well on it. In my case, I’m still trying to figure out what caused my symptoms. I just don’t know but some suspects are the beta carotene, or maybe an overload of oxalates that’s developed over the years. One hypothesis is that my prior (mild) use of Camphosal knocked out the oxabacter things that are supposed to metabolize oxalate. Or perhaps a deficiency of B2.. Anyway, I’ve completely dropped it and doing great now on cooked mushrooms.
You could try cooking the keto acids from juiced potatoes for protein.
Serum Bs are more indicative of recent intake. Do you have a recent organic acids test?Just received results of a blood test from last week (when I was in the ER) indicating vitamin B6 at the very bottom of the standard range.
I've seen others suggest that B1 can deplete B6, and on a few occasions, high dose B1 has made my GI symptoms much, much worse. I assumed the reason was that thiamine HCl powder was irritating the intestine, but perhaps I was wrong.
Could a B6 deficiency cause intestinal permeability or in some other way cause the symptoms I've described in this thread (intense stress reactions when material approaches the end of the intestine)?
Just received results of a blood test from last week (when I was in the ER) indicating vitamin B6 at the very bottom of the standard range.
I've seen others suggest that B1 can deplete B6, and on a few occasions, high dose B1 has made my GI symptoms much, much worse. I assumed the reason was that thiamine HCl powder was irritating the intestine, but perhaps I was wrong.
Could a B6 deficiency cause intestinal permeability or in some other way cause the symptoms I've described in this thread (intense stress reactions when material approaches the end of the intestine)?
Serum Bs are more indicative of recent intake. Do you have a recent organic acids test?
I don’t do well with Bs by mouth (includes sublingual)- gi issues, anxiety, etc. Topical has been really helpful for me (energin- navel and temples).
B1 and B2 are needed to get estrogen moving out of the liver for excretion. They both get Fe, Cu, etc moving again (the other Bs help too). I wonder if your GI stress has to do with these all hitting at once. I haven’t read the entire thread but have you increased your carrot salad/mushrooms/shoots? Or tried a binder? Maybe even some Ca d glucarate?Thanks for this information, @Recoen.
What is an organic acids test?
Like you, I've been doing much better lately with topical B vitamins than with oral. It's probably been at least two weeks since I last took any Bs orally. But in the last week or two, I've had trouble even with topical B1 and Energin, so I'm starting to wonder if B1 is producing adverse effects independent of any GI irritation from oral use of B1 powder.
A blood test from several months ago also indicated B6 at the bottom of the standard range. At that time, I tried supplementing B6 and did not notice any obvious changes, so I forgot about the test until I received the results of last week's B6 test. Yesterday, I took around 10 mg of B6 (pyridoxine HCl) topically, and it seemed to help with some of my symptoms, but it's hard to draw any conclusions from one day.
I hope you feel better. I haven't had a stress bowel movement in a while, they kind of stopped for me once I cut out vitamin A fortified milk i think (cant remember exactly when) (also I drink a lot of unfortified milk),
although my bowel movements are still irregular (although no stress reaction). Ive also been increasing decaf coffee for some magnesium, maybe that helps a little. what have you been eating recently?
Thanks for pointing out this connection, @commas.
I don't feel panicked during intestinal transit, but very tense and stressed. So perhaps low/depleted B6 could be contributing.
Thanks. Maintaining a healthy GI would be easier without all the industrial junk in our food. Glad you identified a cause of your GI trouble.
Decaf coffee has been good for me, too.
I had been working on eating more protein and moving towards a less restrictive diet, but then got hammered by the GI stress reactions when my protein approached 60 g per day. (60 g is too low, but better than I'd been doing.) The reactions are now the worst they've ever been (ER last week), and they last for hours. So I couldn't sustain the changes.
Since then, I've been trying to eat more liver -- about 1/2 oz per day and hoping to increase. Seems to be helping. RP has written that vitamin A helps maintain the intestinal barrier, and I suspect I've had low A intake for much of the last couple of years.
So, right now, I'm eating mainly fruit juice, gelatin, beef liver, shellfish, decaf coffee with sugar, egg yolk, mushrooms, carrots, coconut oil, and butter. Hoping that when the current storm dies down, I'll be able to get back to eating more protein and a more varied diet.
B1 and B2 are needed to get estrogen moving out of the liver for excretion. They both get Fe, Cu, etc moving again (the other Bs help too). I wonder if your GI stress has to do with these all hitting at once. I haven’t read the entire thread but have you increased your carrot salad/mushrooms/shoots? Or tried a binder? Maybe even some Ca d glucarate?
Some experience oxalate dumping through stool too and the TLO group says the Bs can cause dumping so I wonder if that’s irritating you too.
Sorry if you mentioned this already, but is there a reason you don’t drink milk or eat cheese? I think calcium is just about the most important thing for relaxation. Also just looking at your diet, is the coconut oil refined? Also what’s the longest you’ve gone without eating eggs?
Have you tried dropping gelatin for a while? I know it's recommended a lot here and that it's supposed to be easy to digest, but IME it's the opposite. I'm quoting an ex forum member Sea here: "I doubt there has ever been a hypothyroid person capable of digesting gelatin." You said you're hypothyroid, so unless you've already tried, I think it's worth a shot.