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Such_Saturation said:I've never understood rice... I eat an enormous pile of it, then I go check how many calories that was, and it's like one hundred. Waste of time. Oh yeah, then the hypoglycemia kicks in... then the endotoxic stress after that...
Amazoniac said:White rice and strained orange juice are complements to a meal, not a meal in themselves.
Amazoniac said:White rice in special is so rapidly absorpted that it won't cause much problems with endotoxins. It's cery low in toxins also. So the main concern with it is the blood sugar regulation.
Amazoniac said:Starch can be a source of endotoxins. But so can fructose. We've a limited capacity to handle it in one sitting. Excess will reach the large intestine and ferment just like the evil starch. Ironically providing the same beneficial short chain fatty acids and other by-products.
Like I wrote somewhere, the amount of a food is often overlooked.
Regarding eating pure white rice, it won't satiate you just like a strained orange juice wouldn't. It will destabilize hormones involved in blood sugar regulation and as soon as insulin does its job, hunger will strike again.
White rice and strained orange juice are complements to a meal, not a meal in themselves.
koganmj said:Like I said, I simply cannot get to sleep at night without consuming starch (regardless of copious amounts and combinations of sugar/protein/fat). That would make it pretty essential (for me personally) in my mind.
Amazoniac said:Starch can be a source of endotoxins. But so can fructose.
narouz said:koganmj said:Like I said, I simply cannot get to sleep at night without consuming starch (regardless of copious amounts and combinations of sugar/protein/fat). That would make it pretty essential (for me personally) in my mind.
Yeah, I see your point, kogan.
It is bad to not be able to sleep!
You know, I don't think I've heard this kind of need for starch before.
It would be interesting to hear if anybody else
needs to eat starch to go to sleep.
tara said:narouz said:koganmj said:Like I said, I simply cannot get to sleep at night without consuming starch (regardless of copious amounts and combinations of sugar/protein/fat). That would make it pretty essential (for me personally) in my mind.
Yeah, I see your point, kogan.
It is bad to not be able to sleep!
You know, I don't think I've heard this kind of need for starch before.
It would be interesting to hear if anybody else
needs to eat starch to go to sleep.
I would certainly have said this in the past - that I couldn't sleep unless I'd eaten starch - actually, lots of starch. I have gradually been moving to more sugar and less starch, but I'm not sure I could have made a sudden and complete switch at the beginning. It took me many months to work up to the amount of sugar I eat/drink now. When I started, I'd feel sick from too much sugar at half the amount, but I still needed more carbs.
Now I have days with little or no starch, and mostly sleep OK (esp if I go to bed!). (My current sleep is probably affected by medicine, too, though.)
narouz said:You know, I don't think I've heard this kind of need for starch before.
It would be interesting to hear if anybody else
needs to eat starch to go to sleep.
narouz said:After you eat the starch and go to sleep,
are you able to stay asleep?
tara said:I would certainly have said this in the past - that I couldn't sleep unless I'd eaten starch - actually, lots of starch. I have gradually been moving to more sugar and less starch, but I'm not sure I could have made a sudden and complete switch at the beginning. It took me many months to work up to the amount of sugar I eat/drink now. When I started, I'd feel sick from too much sugar at half the amount, but I still needed more carbs.
Now I have days with little or no starch, and mostly sleep OK (esp if I go to bed!). (My current sleep is probably affected by medicine, too, though.)
tara said:But some days I feel strong cravings for starch, and feel like I would have trouble sleeping without it.
Amazoniac said:White rice and strained orange juice are complements to a meal, not a meal in themselves.
koganmj said:I do remain open to the possibility that my current need for starch may simply be a "snapshot in time" reflective of my current state of health. I never rule anything out in the future ...
Westside PUFAs said:Amazoniac said:Starch can be a source of endotoxins. But so can fructose. We've a limited capacity to handle it in one sitting. Excess will reach the large intestine and ferment just like the evil starch. Ironically providing the same beneficial short chain fatty acids and other by-products.
Like I wrote somewhere, the amount of a food is often overlooked.
Regarding eating pure white rice, it won't satiate you just like a strained orange juice wouldn't. It will destabilize hormones involved in blood sugar regulation and as soon as insulin does its job, hunger will strike again.
White rice and strained orange juice are complements to a meal, not a meal in themselves.
You're comparing a liquid (OJ), to a solid (rice). Liquid is never satiating. Sushi would not be satiating without white rice.
narouz said:Amazoniac said:Starch can be a source of endotoxins. But so can fructose.
Is this an amazoniacal thought or a Peatanical one? :)
I'm not bitching, Amazon,just interested.
Amazoniac said:Westside PUFAs said:Amazoniac said:Starch can be a source of endotoxins. But so can fructose. We've a limited capacity to handle it in one sitting. Excess will reach the large intestine and ferment just like the evil starch. Ironically providing the same beneficial short chain fatty acids and other by-products.
Like I wrote somewhere, the amount of a food is often overlooked.
Regarding eating pure white rice, it won't satiate you just like a strained orange juice wouldn't. It will destabilize hormones involved in blood sugar regulation and as soon as insulin does its job, hunger will strike again.
White rice and strained orange juice are complements to a meal, not a meal in themselves.
You're comparing a liquid (OJ), to a solid (rice). Liquid is never satiating. Sushi would not be satiating without white rice.
In sushi, white rice is in the context of a meal: wrapped in fiber, mixed with some protein and a bit of rice vinegar with small amounts of sugar.
So the rice is a complement to the meal.