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XPlus said:prenatal imprinting.
onioneyedox said:childhood environment
cantstoppeating said:it takes time for the damage to accumulate.
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XPlus said:prenatal imprinting.
onioneyedox said:childhood environment
cantstoppeating said:it takes time for the damage to accumulate.
seeyeff said:I'm sure you can think of some examples of people who don't eat a healthy diet but still have better health somehow.
Some people would say that these healthy people have good genetics, but what are those genetics actually doing that is producing the good health?
Or, simply think of your own youthful health. I know for sure that I was not eating a healthy diet when I was younger but I had better health, energy, full head o' hair, etc.
It obviously wasn't diet that was the source of my good health, so what was? Is it just youthful hormones?
What is it about the youthful biological state that promotes health and vitality so robustly?
onioneyedox said:Maybe later very bad diet will wear anyone out.
seeyeff said:onioneyedox said:I believe state of mind has lot to do with it
oxidation_is_normal said:Ya they're probably not constantly stressing about the details - including diet. So they recover faster and have less stress.
I think that psychology can have an effect on health, but I don't think that mental state is the cause of declining health.
If being oblivious caused good health virtually everyone would have good health.
I think it's the other way around. Declining health causes stress and worry because people don't want their health to decline and they want to do what they can to reverse it.
In other words, if everyone was lean and fit and energetic and healthy, very few people would still want to research and implement the ideal diet. Probably the only people left would be those concerned about the ethical and environmental effects of certain diets.
I know if I wasn't trying to improve my health via diet, I would just eat whatever I wanted and not think about it. And I bet that would be true of most people.
JRMoney15 said:seeyeff said:I'm sure you can think of some examples of people who don't eat a healthy diet but still have better health somehow.
Some people would say that these healthy people have good genetics, but what are those genetics actually doing that is producing the good health?
Or, simply think of your own youthful health. I know for sure that I was not eating a healthy diet when I was younger but I had better health, energy, full head o' hair, etc.
It obviously wasn't diet that was the source of my good health, so what was? Is it just youthful hormones?
What is it about the youthful biological state that promotes health and vitality so robustly?
What is a healthy diet? There is none. The focus of Rays work is increasing the metabolic rate. So for some that may be a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. For others that may be a salad. Just because these foods are not optimal by the standards around here doesn't mean they can't improve metabolism. you could spend years following the "ray peat Diet" to a T and you could still see little to no improvement if you are in an extremely weak and depressed state. Meanwhile you could be vegan and thrive because you live a fufilling life and you believe you are eating the best diet in the world. When you are young you experience great health because you've only had a limited amount of time for damage to accumulate. Also you inherit metabolism from your mother so you may be more tolerant to insults to the body if your mother was in good health.
JRMoney15 said:What is a healthy diet? There is none. The focus of Rays work is increasing the metabolic rate. So for some that may be a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. For others that may be a salad. Just because these foods are not optimal by the standards around here doesn't mean they can't improve metabolism. you could spend years following the "ray peat Diet" to a T and you could still see little to no improvement if you are in an extremely weak and depressed state. Meanwhile you could be vegan and thrive because you live a fufilling life and you believe you are eating the best diet in the world. When you are young you experience great health because you've only had a limited amount of time for damage to accumulate. Also you inherit metabolism from your mother so you may be more tolerant to insults to the body if your mother was in good health.
JRMoney15 said:What is a healthy diet? There is none.
JRMoney15 said:Meanwhile you could be vegan and thrive because you live a fufilling life and you believe you are eating the best diet in the world.
Peata said:JRMoney15 said:What is a healthy diet? There is none. The focus of Rays work is increasing the metabolic rate. So for some that may be a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. For others that may be a salad. Just because these foods are not optimal by the standards around here doesn't mean they can't improve metabolism. you could spend years following the "ray peat Diet" to a T and you could still see little to no improvement if you are in an extremely weak and depressed state. Meanwhile you could be vegan and thrive because you live a fufilling life and you believe you are eating the best diet in the world. When you are young you experience great health because you've only had a limited amount of time for damage to accumulate. Also you inherit metabolism from your mother so you may be more tolerant to insults to the body if your mother was in good health.
Dutchie said:Actually,recently through Epigenetics they've discovered that you inherit metabolism (traits) from your mom AND dad. Your grandparents' are even a factor.
seeyeff said:JRMoney15 said:What is a healthy diet? There is none.
Really? None?
Perhaps I need to clarify. When I say a "healthy diet" I mean that one that improves those factors we understand to be signs of good health like energy, libido, restful sleep, fertility, etc. and prevents those obviously bad conditions like apathy, anhedonia, sexual dysfunction, infertility, obesity, diabetes, heart disease, chronic pain, etc.
To be extra clear, I'm not defining a healthy diet in terms of what you consume — i.e. I'm not saying it's Peat, or vegan or WAPF or paleo or whatever — but by its affects on health and/or disease.
JRMoney15 said:Meanwhile you could be vegan and thrive because you live a fufilling life and you believe you are eating the best diet in the world.
You don't think there is such a thing as a diet that promotes disease?
The food you eat doesn't matter. All that matters is your mental-emotional state.
So Veganism is just as good a diet as any other because as long as you believe in it and you are happy you will have good health?
That sounds like nonsense to me.
“Penetrating red light is possibly the fundamental anti-stress factor for all organisms. The chronic deficiency of such light is, I think, the best explanation for the deterioration which occurs with aging.”
There’s a nice definition for epigenetic from the dictionary:seeyeff said:XPlus said:epigentic deterioration can possibly be carried out from one generation to the next, leaving the next generation even weaker.
Interesting. I wonder what the mechanism for this could be...
So if a child develops in sub-optimal circumstances (nutrition, environment, etc.) then it will effectively put a permanent limit on healthiness? In other words, the child of a malnourished mother is screwed, no matter the potential of his DNA.
So even if the future has nothing but Genetically-Modified Humans, with no more congenital disease or genetic health limitations, it would still be necessary to have good nutrition to enable good health? The body can grow and be healthy unless it has the raw materials, like a plant that cannot grow without soil, air and sunshine.
There seems to be a contradiction here though: can a robust genetics overcome poor nutrition, or will poor nutrition hamper the robust genetics. I guess both are true?