Lilac
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Maybe take a break from all the supplements?
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I think gastroparesis is a normal adaptation to chronic undereating/famine. Can apparently be rough in transition, but often resolves after a bit with adequate food supply.
Maybe take a break from all the supplements?
My understanding is that bile is essential for solubizing fat and making it digestible. Pancreatic enzymes work more on protein. From what you're telling us it's my opinion you definitely need the bile. Probably you need both. Up to you to do some extra research and decide what to try. Just go cautiously if you do try, so you can figure out how much you need without getting into more trouble.whodathunkit, how did that Jarrow stuff work for you? I got Solaray Pancreatin, which has all the -ases for each macro, mostly because I had an attack after going heavy today (heavy in my case being 25 g) on fats. Do you think the bile acids work better than just the -ases, I should take them in combination, or just one or the other? My main fear with any of these digestive aids is that I become dependent and won't be able to digest well without them, eventually.
I'd advise bagging the baking soda. It's a digestion killer. Leaving that off may help you right there. Magnesium is probably good for you, though.I wasn't taking that many, but have backed off on the niacinamide and even pregnenolone. I still do my magnesium/baking soda OJ in the morn.
Also, best to cut PUFA carbs like wheat (buh-bye, Cheerios ). There are lots of substitutions that can be made for wheat and grain...it just takes a little getting used to. For example, one of my favorite breakfast "cereals" is skim milk heated slowly with white rice and raisins. No fat needed, and tastes kind of like a rice pudding. You can get as much milk as you need with it. Good warm or cold. Easy to prepare in advance or on the spur of the moment, as long as you have rice ready. Potatoes can sub for pasta, with an alfredo or red sauce. And gnocchi is pretty easy to make and freeze. Etc.
Also, dolomite has been consistently shown to have a high level of lead in it. Not recommended to use it. Some calcium supps in general can have high lead, but dolomite is especially high. Why don't you look for a good oyster shell calcium instead, if you feel you're not getting enough calcium from milk? Or you can make your own calcium from eggshells. I think you just bake them and grind them up. Google egg shell calcium and Danny Roddy and you'll probably find how to do it. Probably can also find it in this forum somewhere. But really, I've read things about the lead levels in dolomite for years. IMO it's just not worth taking the risk of ingesting that much extra lead when there's other options available.
Much better than the expensive piece of crap OneTouch I had before it.
Wait what? My OneTouch is Crap??? Do you have a reference for this @whodathunkit?
Well, to be fair, I've been hearing this about dolomite ever since I started dabbling in "alternative" health 30 years ago, so I"m not sure where the documentation is. It may even be a myth, but personally I doubt that.Damn it; I looked for so long on this forum and the ASU Academic Search Premier for something about dolomite, and came up short. Bad search skillz, I reckon. I did see one study questioning the bioavailability of its calc/mag, but the results were very neutral and non-helpful. I bought it because it was cheap; get what you pay for, I guess.
Here's a good recipe:I've made gnocchi a lot in the past, but always with some amount of wheat. I guess I could try white rice flour in its place or something.
It's crap because the strips are so expensive. I mean, outrageously expensive, esp. compared to what the RelionPrime from WalMart costs. You can get 100 strips of RelionPrime for $18 at Walmart. And they're reliable. IMO the readings are more consistent than the OneTouch, in that when I think I have an aberrant result I can nail it down with fewer strips. Sometimes with a bad batch of OneTouch I'd have to use 5-6 strips.
Just get a Relion Prime and learn to love the finger stick again. :pI officially hate my glucometer.
I thought dolomite was ground rock (mostly calcium magnesium carbonate)? Bone meal from beef can accumulate high lead too, I gather.Dolomite is made from the bones of industrially-farmed livestock slaughtered for their meat.
Ha. Jeez. Guess I was conflating two things from ancient days. Ooops.I thought dolomite was ground rock (mostly calcium magnesium carbonate)? Bone meal from beef can accumulate high lead too, I gather.
I too have heard about risk of lead from dolomite (rock) as well as from bone meal.Maybe there was a product on the shelves at the healthfood store where I used to work oh so long ago that mixed dolomite and bone meal. Or something. I dunno. Thanks for catching that.
As you eat so little each day, your body may be wanting you to eat nutritionally rich foods like oysters and calves' liver.
You may be struggling to digest rice with only skim milk and honey in your system, whereas processed food like cornflakes has more vitamins and minerals added to it.
Your dulled senses feeling may be hunger.
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It's not just about the fat. Please try not to fixate on that, although it's easy to because most of what we read about these attacks focuses on fat, and also because it seems like fat is the main precipitator of symptoms. But fat causes problems only when there's a deeper problem. Fat may precipitate symptoms sometimes or a preponderance of times, but it's really about GI tract dysmotility caused by energy dysfunction. My pattern of attack seemed to be fat related but then turned out to be somewhat idiosyncratic...seems like when I think I have the pattern nailed down (It's the fat! or It's the honey! etc.), it changes.I don't get at all what caused it, as there was no fat added and I've been doing decently on just carbs/proteins.
Wow, @explosionlord, I'm really sorry to about your attack. Gut pain is the absolute worst. I NEVER want another attack...one of my major fears in life. I hope you don't have any more of them.
As far as your rice concoction...honey and gelatin can be problematic for people with digestion issues. My mother has a hiatal hernia and honey gives her heartburn. Lots of people have trouble with gelatin, esp. if it's not heated well or cooked. Gelatin + milk might also have been too much protein. It might have been the rice, but I would doubt it. However, it is possible.
It's not just about the fat. Please try not to fixate on that, although it's easy to because most of what we read about these attacks focuses on fat, and also because it seems like fat is the main precipitator of symptoms. But fat causes problems only when there's a deeper problem. Fat may precipitate symptoms sometimes or a preponderance of times, but it's really about GI tract dysmotility caused by energy dysfunction. My pattern of attack seemed to be fat related but then turned out to be somewhat idiosyncratic...seems like when I think I have the pattern nailed down (It's the fat! or It's the honey! etc.), it changes.
Bile is needed for more than just digestion of fat...it does other things in the body including binding endotoxin so it can be excreted, as well as some stuff to and with acetylcholine, which is very much involved with gut motility. It does things to cholesterol that involve receptors in the gut that work with aceytlcholine to keep things going. Etc. I'm so sorry I can't elucidate it all . I know it's lame to keep begging brain fog but that's where I'm at. My memory is horrible at the moment, as is my ability to express myself precisely. What I'm saying is researchable on Google, though. I'm getting better to the point where I can start keeping track of links again so maybe I'll do better at explaining things in the future. But for now, that's it. The major point being, I suspect you need bile more than pancreatin or HCL. That is, pancreatin alone isn't going to help fix you. It might help you digest in short term but it could turn on you. Too much pancreatin gives me problems. So far bile hasn't given me any problems. From what I've read and experienced, IMO bile will probably go farther in helping you to resolve your problem as well as relieve your acute symptoms.
But there's probably a lot of other work involved. It will take researching and trying stuff on your part. IME this is a complex problem, not at all as simple as mainstream medicine would have us believe. It's not just about the pancreas or gall bladder: take it out or modify and that's it. Nope. It's about the whole body and energy. It's probably best to do what keeps you symptom free in the short term (like cornflakes, etc.) but look for permanent or at least longer-term solutions. Healthy solutions. Myself, I seem to have gotten my attacks and digestion in better order, primarily through use of various bile supplements, "no PUFA" diet modification, and strategic use of stuff like pancreatic enzymes (I don't use those every day...they're very powerful and cause me problems with overuse, especially when my food intake isn't high), but I'm still searching for a permanent fix. And I realize that supplements like exogenous bile might actually be part of my permanent fix, although my goal based on my experience so far is to be able to do without them. I'm currently trying things like modifying bad gut bacteria and soaking up the toxic byproducts of bad bacteria (i.e., endotoxin). You can do some research to see what's right for you to try. I'm giving you some clues but can't plot your course for you...nor can anyone but yourself. We're all just too different.
What I meant about not focusing on fat was that they're not the sole cause of this problem, and shouldn't be focused on as such. Rather, focus on getting to the root of the problem and not just focus on cutting fat out of the diet. Cutting fat is a band-aid, and probably one that won't always work in the long run. It's not realistic, anyway. Everybody slips and unless you've corrected the problem at the root, you'll continue to get symptoms when you overeat it. Not fun. The goal is to be able to eat whatever we want, within the caveat of eating a balanced diet comprised of healthy food that is not predominantly fat and/or PUFA fat.I know you say not to fixate on them, but I'm still quite scared about "digging in," even when I get the bile.
What I meant about not focusing on fat was that they're not the sole cause of this problem, and shouldn't be focused on as such. Rather, focus on getting to the root of the problem and not just focus on cutting fat out of the diet. Cutting fat is a band-aid, and probably one that won't always work in the long run. It's not realistic, anyway. Everybody slips and unless you've corrected the problem at the root, you'll continue to get symptoms when you overeat it. Not fun. The goal is to be able to eat whatever we want, within the caveat of eating a balanced diet comprised of healthy food that is not predominantly fat and/or PUFA fat.
I didn't mean ignore fat as an issue entirely, even when you get the bile. Fat is usually the main precipitator of symptoms at your stage of the game. Please *do not* "dig in", at least for the time being. :)
Good luck. Let us know how you do!