Shortness of breath and chest pain from too much b1?

[Bounce]

Dear guys,

two years ago I started taking b1. I started with 100mg hcl and immediately had good changes in digestion. I took it regularly for a while and then on and off.

Since a few months I was psychologically worse and worse and thus I increased the intake to daily 250-500mg (at this time I took it but already almost two years continuously). Because i read all the good articles about ptsd and something. I taked it most of the time with sango coral powder (about 300mg mag and 600mg Calcium). I didnt supplement pottasium tbh but drank oj.

Four weeks ago I started waking up every night with shortness of breath, waking up and having a very strange feeling in my body plus tightness and pressure in my chest. I assumed it was psychological. I practiced buteyko, but nothing helped.

I paused the b1 intake for a day. I still had sleep problems but it was not as bad.

One day later (four days ago today) I took 500mg and felt really weird all day. Dry mouth, completely exhausted. At night I had such severe shortness of breath that I had to call the ambulance. But somehow it was clear to me that it must be the b1. And today by chance I also found a thread here from someone who also got chest tightness and other from b1.

So I haven't taken b1 for the last three days, but still slept poorly and woke up at night.

Is there any way to drain excess b1 (if there is such a thing) out of the body? I don't think it has been good for me.

Looking forward to answers

 

[Peater]

You might have depleted your magnesium and potassium stores.

 

[mostlylurking]

Dear guys,

two years ago I started taking b1. I started with 100mg hcl and immediately had good changes in digestion. I took it regularly for a while and then on and off.

Since a few months I was psychologically worse and worse and thus I increased the intake to daily 250-500mg (at this time I took it but already almost two years continuously). Because i read all the good articles about ptsd and something. I taked it most of the time with sango coral powder (about 300mg mag and 600mg Calcium). I didnt supplement pottasium tbh but drank oj.

Four weeks ago I started waking up every night with shortness of breath, waking up and having a very strange feeling in my body plus tightness and pressure in my chest. I assumed it was psychological. I practiced buteyko, but nothing helped.

I paused the b1 intake for a day. I still had sleep problems but it was not as bad.

One day later (four days ago today) I took 500mg and felt really weird all day. Dry mouth, completely exhausted. At night I had such severe shortness of breath that I had to call the ambulance. But somehow it was clear to me that it must be the b1. And today by chance I also found a thread here from someone who also got chest tightness and other from b1.

So I haven't taken b1 for the last three days, but still slept poorly and woke up at night.

Is there any way to drain excess b1 (if there is such a thing) out of the body? I don't think it has been good for me.

Looking forward to answers

Although I don't think that 500mg of thiamine hcl is a particularly high dose (I take 2 grams/day), my understanding is that the extra thiamine is peed out pretty quickly (1-2 hours) because it is a water soluble vitamin.

Thiamine hcl, taken orally, has a poor absorption rate in the small intestine. This is why a higher dose of it is needed compared to TTFD thiamine. According to Dr. Costantini, taking 2 grams of thiamine hcl per day orally for 7 days equals to taking one 100mg of thiamine hcl by injection per week.

 

[Bounce]

You might have depleted your magnesium and potassium stores.

If so, i've heard you should not supplement pottasium right?

 

[mostlylurking]

You might have depleted your magnesium and potassium stores.

Makes more sense. Riboflavin can also get depleted so I supplement it too.

 

[mostlylurking]

If so, i've heard you should not supplement pottasium right?

I just rely on the potassium in my orange juice.

 

[Bounce]

Thanks guys. But first i will stop it.

I have b2 at home. How much you would recommend? I will also take sango coral powder tomorrow again for the mag.

Unfortunately i dont tolerate citrate/threonate/glycinate.

 

[Bounce]

That was the Thread from the other dude with strange reactions:

Can’t Sleep And Heart Is Beating Like Crazy After 2x500 Mg Thiamine

I took total 1 grams of B1 in ‘two’ days. The first day was actually good, i saw some improvements so i decided to take second dose the next day. And, i took another 500 mg yesterday evening (500 mg sunday, 500 mg monday). I went sleepy fast those two nights. I was actually ok at the first but...

raypeatforum.com

 

[mostlylurking]

I will also take sango coral powder tomorrow again for the mag.

Have you really researched this product?
A quick search for "sea of Okinawa contamination" provides alarming results:

Okinawa: the junk heap of the Pacific

Over the past seven decades, Okinawa's sea, land and air have been contaminated with a cocktail of toxins by the U.S. military that have poisoned Okinawan civilians and U.S. troops alike.

www.japantimes.co.jp

‘No clear evidence’ Okinawa PFAS contamination comes from US base, Japan’s military says

The mayor of Kin town, home of the Marine Corps’ Camp Hansen in central Okinawa, wants a formal inquiry into the source of toxic PFAS chemicals found in local water.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/on-japans-okinawa-us-military-blamed-for-contaminating-environment-with-hazardous-chemical/2019/05/24/ca3ba342-7c84-11e9-b1f3-b233fe5811ef_story.html

'Alarming' Levels of 'Forever Chemicals' Found in Water Near US Bases in Okinawa

"The U.S. military is supposedly there to protect people," says Jon Reinsch about American troops in Okinawa. "It does the opposite."

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from here: Frequently Asked Questions - Sango Coral Life
"The coral used for Sango Coral Life comes from the sea of Okinawa, recognized as among the cleanest in the world, with no concerns regarding contamination. This product has been passed by the Japanese Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare as a food additive."

 

[Bounce]

Have you really researched this product?
A quick search for "sea of Okinawa contamination" provides alarming results:

Okinawa: the junk heap of the Pacific

Over the past seven decades, Okinawa's sea, land and air have been contaminated with a cocktail of toxins by the U.S. military that have poisoned Okinawan civilians and U.S. troops alike.

www.japantimes.co.jp

‘No clear evidence’ Okinawa PFAS contamination comes from US base, Japan’s military says

The mayor of Kin town, home of the Marine Corps’ Camp Hansen in central Okinawa, wants a formal inquiry into the source of toxic PFAS chemicals found in local water.

www.stripes.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/on-japans-okinawa-us-military-blamed-for-contaminating-environment-with-hazardous-chemical/2019/05/24/ca3ba342-7c84-11e9-b1f3-b233fe5811ef_story.html

'Alarming' Levels of 'Forever Chemicals' Found in Water Near US Bases in Okinawa

"The U.S. military is supposedly there to protect people," says Jon Reinsch about American troops in Okinawa. "It does the opposite."

www.commondreams.org

from here: Frequently Asked Questions - Sango Coral Life
"The coral used for Sango Coral Life comes from the sea of Okinawa, recognized as among the cleanest in the world, with no concerns regarding contamination. This product has been passed by the Japanese Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare as a food additive."

Thank you.

I buy them from a premium Supplement Store in Germany with Lab Tests on their Page:

Sango Koralle Kapseln

Premium Sango Meeres Koralle Kapseln 2:1 Calcium Magnesium, beste Okinawa Qualität, bio organisch mit Labortest

www.sunday.de

The Problem is that i cant tolerate other mag forms. Mag taurate i never try. Maybe i should do that.

 

[mostlylurking]

Thank you.

I buy them from a premium Supplement Store in Germany with Lab Tests on their Page:

Sango Koralle Kapseln

Premium Sango Meeres Koralle Kapseln 2:1 Calcium Magnesium, beste Okinawa Qualität, bio organisch mit Labortest

www.sunday.de

The Problem is that i cant tolerate other mag forms. Mag taurate i never try. Maybe i should do that.

I got the information about the source for the coral in the supplement from the manufacturer's website. Sorry, I wouldn't take it after reading about it.

Supplementing with thiamine improves magnesium tolerance. I use magnesium glycinate. I have had no problems with it since I've been high dosing thiamine hcl (2.5 years).


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBxWivhBdpA

 

[dfspcc20]

@Bounce are you having coffee or other source of caffeine at any time during the day?

 

[Beatrix_]

Overdosing with vitamin B1 can lead to sulfur overload and increase the need for B6 which would be the most obvious cause for shortness of breath. Now beware of high doses of B6, because this can lead to irreversible nerve damage. If taking P5P, double the attention!

 

[Bounce]

@Bounce are you having coffee or other source of caffeine at any time during the day?

Yes my friend. Around 2 cups a day.

 

[Bounce]

Last night was horrible again.
I woke up around 8 times. Sometimes with shortness of breath, sometimes just with anxiety.

There is a chance that is all happen because of my ptsd and some conflicts i have right now in my live, but i dont think so.

I will give myself a week without thiamine and see if things getting better.

to get my magnesium on a normal level again i took yesterday evening a really small amount of a mix of: glycinate, citrate, carbonate and a bit b6

in total it was about 80mg. But i feel how the glycinate (and citrate) have an effect on today. My head is heavy and i feel a bit dizzy. But its not super strong. Maybe i need to adapt to it.

 

[Beatrix_]

You must feel instant relief, don't do things that make you feel worse. The excess sulfur is probably blocking B6 activation, in this case only P5P will help. Always aim for the smallest effective dose since excess blocks enzymes and lower doses are better absorbed.

 

[Peater]

Molybdenum is important in sulphur metabolism too.

 

[Beatrix_]

Additionally, B6/P5P should not be taken long term, 1 week should solve the problems. It can raise serotonin too much and is safer when taken along with B2.

Molybdenum is important in sulphur metabolism too.

Yes, but Mo deficiency should not cause shortness of breath. Mo supplementation will increase the need for copper, it's a snowball...

 

[youngsinatra]

Additionally, B6/P5P should not be taken long term, 1 week should solve the problems. It can raise serotonin too much and is safer when taken along with B2.

Yes, but Mo deficiency should not cause shortness of breath. Mo supplementation will increase the need for copper, it's a snowball...

„Molybdenum deficiency resulting in decreased activity of sulfite oxidase and sulfite toxicity occurred in a patient receiving long-term total parenteral nutrition. Symptoms were tachycardia, tachypnea, headache, nausea, vomiting, and coma.“

„Tachypnea is quick, shallow breathing. This makes you feel like you’re not getting enough air.“

 

[Bounce]

First i want to get magnesium on a normal level.

But even this bit of mag glycinate last evenings gives me strong headaches today...