Cirion
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I just had this whacky idea: Hooking yourself up at night with a steady stream of IV glucose and maybe minerals and vitamins to completely stop the stress response when sleeping. Pretty impractical, but it sounds cool and effective when I think about it. Bodybuilders pin themselves for gains, we are going to pin ourselves for health maybe?
Actually this is a great idea lol. But yeah, impractical for most. This might be something I wish for when I'm really old and in assisted living care though... it'd definitely keep me alive and reasonably healthy for a longer period of time...
Good idea, except maybe something more practical.
@Cirion Have you considered maybe dextrose before bed might help keep storage glycogen high enough for long enough? I know you said you have used it in the past. Its just glucose so it will be easier on the liver. Then again it might just be total glycogen storage is too low in that case it has to be raised and likely nothing else matters until that is taken care of. Is a graph with organ intake not reasonable? Weird, but certainly reasonable, right?
I don't have dextrose before bed but I definitely have lots of carbs in general before bed.
Main problems I have:
1.) Glucose storage is poor, requiring frequent refeeding of glucose, I don't think I've ever been able to go more than 4-6 hr without sugar/carbs and that's my upper limit, not my usual limit. I only last that long when I am super-saturated (over 1,000 gram of carbs) for the day.
2.) Glucose expenditure rate is obscenely fast (hence needing that many carbs in the first place)
-- likely because of a lot of carbs wasted into lactic acid
Couple #2 with #1 and it's a disaster.
Yeah I've tracked metrics as a function of specific food intakes before. Not a bad idea to do that with liver. Avoiding glucose depletion at ALL costs is the goal. Once glucose is depleted, the body floods with cysteine and tryptophan and PUFA and also numerous other toxins from fat stores. Absolutely disasterous to the metabolism.
I will just have to have a large shot of sugar (at least 100 gram) essentially every time I wake up at night. Which is basically what RP suggests anyway. I frequently get lazy about this though.
I also realized the other day that one can indeed deplete bodyfat without a calorie deficit, and sort of what this looks like. It is actually quite simple. The half-life of fat is about 400 days, which means it will slowly deplete assuming you aren't actively re-accumulating it. I'm not quite sure the mechanism behind how this works exactly. It kinda reminds me of "Ullage" effect in liquid rockets. In liquid rockets you literally lose your fuel to evaporation since it has to be stored cryogenically at almost absolute zero so just in the time it is on the launch pad to launch you lose about 5% of your fuel. Of course, this means it takes approximately a year to cut your fat stores in half, so it takes a while, but with patience, and maintaining a good metabolism so you don't store more fat along the way etc, it will eventually fade away hopefully and probably will also shed a little quicker with an improved metabolism also. This has been my goal from the start. If you can maintain glucose stores 24/7, this is pretty much the #1 key to metabolism IMO now. By preventing the release of anti-metabolic AA's cysteine and tryptophan and PUFA and all of that mess, you protect your body, and protecting your body allows T3 and androgens to increase which increases the metabolism and CO2 levels and ultimately things finally start to improve and body fat will finally start to deplete, water bloat will finally start to deplete. And so when Kelj says in her thread that "starvation is the great stress" this is in fact what she is referring to, and now I find myself in complete agreement, although I just diverge from her methods to do that.
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