Donald Trump

[tankasnowgod]

This is unbecoming. You're just doing playground bullying, and not paying any attention at ALL to the article I posted.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you DID post the following, right?

"I'm sincerely curious, since you strongly make your case - what happens if Trump loses, and by a landslide? Will you rethink the assumptions you've made, and your own decision process, or rethink where you get your information?

It's an honest question, that seems to not be asked. Like all those Bernie supporters who said ONLY Bernie can beat Trump - how will they resolve that with Hillary winning?

I think most people whitewash it away. This is not a dis or accusation - I did it myself after I was sure Kerry would beat Bush. What I did was go 'oops' and basically sweep it under the carpet.

Lately I've gotten a lot more brutally honest with myself, and try to challenge my assumptions and biases as I can discover them. Data actually matters, but it takes a leap of faith to fully trust it.

I think a lot of the Right had a great opportunity to reevaluate after Obama beat Romney - their plan to beat math by 'unskewing' failed miserably - yet Trump's people are doing the same thing with uncontrolled online polls.

NOT saying Hillary over Trump in this comment, but I'm curious how a Trump loss will change how you think.

I'm in the same boat. I trust the 'good' pollsters out there like FiveThirtyEight, and use data to challenge my emotional preferences. But if Hillary loses? I'll need to do some serious rethinking on all of that."

And...

"It's one of those things like gravity and air. Facts matter. And this idea there's a voting scam is just made-up BS. People repeat it because it massages their paranoia and sense of stolen entitlement, but it's not true."

Sooooooo..... why would I pay any attention to an article you posted? Have you done any of that "serious rethinking" you talked about in that comment? You're STILL reading Daily KOS?

So when Trump suggested that the process might be "rigged" before the election, it was CLEARLY made up BS (nevermind that some third party candidate that came in a distant 4th is demanding a bizarre recount). So how is your claim of "pervasive voter suppression in red states" not clearly made up BS?

 

[luke gadget]

Let me repeat myself, again: this is information that you can just Google if you like, and it has nothing to do with me. If you don't like it, either find a way to like it, or don't look into it - whatever you want it has nothing to do with me. This is YOUR guy, so I assume you care what YOUR guy is doing, right?? It's OK either way - if you don't care you don't care, and - once again - it has nothing to with me.

Or are you going to just say he's not hiring the people he's hiring, he didn't hire the architect of the tricks that lead to the Great Recession that he didn't hire lobbyists to help with transition?

EASY to verify. "Trust" is not needed.

Re my own view: If Trump really thinks "millions" of people voted illegally, then he should support recounts. Right? I mean, unless he has evidence to prove it which he has not shared with anyone but himself. He won because he got more votes and the pollsters were wrong, yes. But a LOT of people were fooled and it's important to understand why (and yes, voter suppression and ignorance had a lot to do with it). But he did NOT win because of "listening to the concerns of blah blah blah" - he won because he told people it was fine to be racists and they liked it, and because everybody preferred fake news to real facts, and the Nazis ("alt-right") had way more input to the media than they should have.

But - again, again, again - it doesn't matter. It's not about me. Pay your own attention to your own guy, and stop pretending I have all this power to sway reality if only I was "right" more often. If you don't like what I said, fine. It's not up to me to fix it for you.

 

[charlie]

This is YOUR guy, so I assume you care what YOUR guy is doing, right??

Trump has saved 1000's of American jobs already and he is not even in office yet. That is the reality of the situation.

- he won because he told people it was fine to be racists and they liked it, and because everybody preferred fake news to real facts, and the Nazis ("alt-right") had way more input to the media than they should have.

 

[tankasnowgod]

But a LOT of people were fooled and it's important to understand why (and yes, voter suppression and ignorance had a lot to do with it). But he did NOT win because of "listening to the concerns of blah blah blah" - he won because he told people it was fine to be racists and they liked it, and because everybody preferred fake news to real facts, and the Nazis ("alt-right") had way more input to the media than they should have.

But - again, again, again - it doesn't matter. It's not about me. Pay your own attention to your own guy, and stop pretending I have all this power to sway reality if only I was "right" more often. If you don't like what I said, fine. It's not up to me to fix it for you.

Oh, I'm paying attention to "my guy." I just have no interest in discussing it with someone like yourself, who labels voters like me a "Nazi."

 

[goodandevil]

Blah blah blah blah blah

 

[luke gadget]

Oh, I'm paying attention to "my guy." I just have no interest in discussing it with someone like yourself, who labels voters like me a "Nazi."

I didn't call you a Nazi - you can own the label or not it's up to you. But I don't need you to discuss anything with me, so it's all good.

Once. Again. My comment that started this latest round of insults and attacks - nobody cares? If you don't care then that's about you, not about me. It wasn't my opinion, not really anyone's opinion, it's just pointing out who he's hiring. The only point to "discuss" - though that's off the table and fine by me - is what one might think about it.

OK, here's a quick freebie. They DID find some actual voter fraud! Obviously it's a Liberal Conspiracy.

Trump staffer convicted for electoral fraud

 

[luke gadget]

Trump has saved 1000's of American jobs already and he is not even in office yet. That is the reality of the situation.

It wasn't "1000's" - it was very small potatoes. And he effectively bribed them with a one-off tax break. It was a PR stunt.

"The result: These inducements often are just acts of lavishing tax breaks on companies that don’t need them, and don’t have the most potential for creating new jobs."
http://fortune.com/2016/11/30/trump-carrier/

"lavishing tax breaks" - sounds about right.

 

[charlie]

LIVE Stream: Donald Trump, Mike Pence Carrier Plant Announcement 2:00pm



Non stop winning on the Trump train.

 

[Ahanu]

Trump has saved 1000's of American jobs already and he is not even in office yet.

Bill Created 10 Million Jobs. Lets See how far Trump comes. We will hope the best

 

[Ahanu]

In each term

 

[Ahanu]

And to be exact Trump saved 1000 but also lost the other 1000

 

[charlie]

Over 1100 jobs saved and the Carrier guy said they will be expanding along with upgrading and pouring in millions more of US American dollars into the system and directly to the American people.

Not. Even. In. Office. Yet.

5700 total jobs saved so far that we know of. Millions more in the pipeline.

Ahead of schedule and under budget.

And if anyone is in the market for an almost complete air conditioning factory in Mexico I think there will be one on the market soon.

 

[john3333]

Sounds good to me. Let's build a wall around the cali border, so we can keep all you whiners encased in your own safe place.

I wish it would happen. We are 1/8th of the US population and we want Clinton. We are tired of the rest of the US slowing down progress. California is one of the healthiest states too. Many products and foods contain warning labels so you know what to avoid.
Hawaii is probably the best state though. They are the biggest Clinton supporters and they also have extreme life expectancy(#1 out 50 in US actually, but California,#4 out of 50, isn't too behind on life expectancy of course). What a coincidence!
Maybe if CalExit happens we should take a few of the other good states too. They probably want to secede too. That would probably destroy the US though.
The reason that Clinton support seems to be correlated with increased life expectancy is probably education.

 

[charlie]

Scott Adams - The New CEO’s First Moves (and Trump)

 

[john3333]

And to be exact Trump saved 1000 but also lost the other 1000

This is true, but so obvious that it doesn't need to be said. Those familiar with politics know that Trump is a liar

 

[Rand56]

We are tired of the rest of the US slowing down progress

Progress towards what...communism? I think it's pathetic that you sheep don't even see this with Hillary and Obama.

 

[goodandevil]

Progress towards what...communism? I think it's pathetic that you sheep don't even see this with Hillary and Obama.

BAAH BAAH BAAAH BAAAAAHHHH

 

[goodandevil]

BRING BACK SLICK WILLIE!!!

 

[john3333]

Progress towards what...communism? I think it's pathetic that you sheep don't even see this with Hillary and Obama.

It's better than capitalism where people work for 4 dollars an hour and have $200k in college debt.
Obama and Clinton are definitely not communists and neither is Bernie Sanders.
There are many successful democratic socialist countries. Socialism isn't as bad as people have led you to believe.

 

[Rand56]

Obama and Clinton are definitely not communists

They have done a good job of fooling you.