"US Civil war becomes inevitable" claims Meyssan

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Exiled French Intelligence Officier Thierry Meyssan published a provoking article on his website "Reseau Voltaire" relative to the recent US election fiasco, which anticipates a civil war followed by a breakup of the USA into 11 separate cultural entities.

Meyssan is known to play a double game with strong Moscow leanings, so his article is to be taken with a grain of salt.



" "Trump lost because the politicians don't want him"

What I am writing is not a fantasy, but the analysis of many observers in the United States and around the world. For example, the Wisconsin Supreme Court has just declared Donald Trump’s election fraud appeal inadmissible, not on legal grounds, but because "it would open Pandora’s box.


In fact, contrary to the misrepresentation of events that dominates the international press, either the outgoing president’s appeals are judged in law and he is obviously right, or they are judged in politics and proving him right will provoke civil war. But the conflict is already too far advanced. Judging him politically in defiance of the law will also provoke civil war.


We must stop interpreting the presidential election as a rivalry between Democrats and Republicans, whereas Donald Trump has never claimed to be a member of the Republican Party, which he stormed during his 2016 campaign. He is not an enlightened man, but a successor to President Andrew Jackson (1829-37). Yes, ideologically, the latter prefigured the "Southerners," the "Confederates.

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Just because Andrew Jackson is ignored in Europe does not mean that he is a marginal figure in American history. His portrait appears on the $20 bill, which he vetoed at the Federal Reserve.

We must stop pretending that Donald Trump does not represent the majority of his fellow citizens when he was first elected president in 2016, when he has just helped thousands of candidates win local elections in his name, and when he has just won millions more votes than in 2016.


No one in Europe seems to dare to see what is happening in front of us, because everyone clings to the idea of a United States that is a paragon of democracy. Please read the US Constitution, it will only take you a few minutes. It recognizes the sovereignty of the Federated States, not of the People.

Its main designer, Alexander Hamilton, said it and wrote in the Federalist Papers: its purpose is to establish a regime comparable to the British monarchy without aristocracy, certainly not a democracy.



This constitution lasted two centuries only because of the compromise of the First Ten Amendments (Bill of Rights). But in this age of globalization of information, everyone can see that the dice are loaded. This system is certainly tolerant, but oligarchic. In the United States, almost all laws are drafted by organized pressure groups, regardless of who is elected to Congress and the White House. The political staff is just a smokescreen that hides the real Power. Every decision of every politician is noted by these groups and directories compiling their docility are published every year.

The Europeans, who want to represent the United States as a democratic nation, keep claiming that the presidential election is a matter for the electorate. This is absolutely false. The constitution does not provide for the election of the federal president in the second degree by the people, but by an electoral college appointed by the governors. Over time, governors have ended up holding elections in their states before choosing the members of the Electoral College. Some have agreed to include it in their local constitutions, but not all.

In the end, the federal Supreme Court doesn’t care, as it did when George W. Bush v. Al Gore was appointed 20 years ago.
It explicitly stated that the potential election rigging that had taken place in Florida was not within its jurisdiction.


In that context, Donald Trump would probably have won the 2020 election if the United States were a democracy, but he lost because it’s an oligarchy and the politicians don’t want him.

The Jacksonians, supporters of democracy, have no choice but to take up arms to make their cause triumph, as the Second Amendment to their Constitution explicitly provides."
 
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Thierry Meyssan is an important geopolitical journalist as his books concerning "9/11" were and are an important early foundation to the 9/11 truth movement...t

Look to introduce a thinker with he caveat that he be taken with a 'grain of salt' is a universal given, but frankly the 'Moscow leanings' remark is frankly a bit too much 'deep state' ketchup.

The problem with Meyssan's analysis of the issue is the United States is that it boils the sauce down to certain simplicities that are quite dangerous and exactly models the British Empire's intelligence operation against the U.S.

It is precisely the British Empire who hates Alexander Hamilton as it was Hamilton in his Report on the Manufactures who explicitly recognizes the primacy of labor over capital, to which thus, capital formation, under that designed by Hamilton, was undertaken to increase the capabilities of labor, to thus promote the general welfare, which is the mission of the nation under the auspices of the U.S. Federal Constitution.

It was the British and their confederates who murdered Hamilton, an assassination that would include the later sponsorship of Karl Marx by the British.

Here is an article from historian Anton Chaikin of interest, that give a sliver of relevant perspective with which to properly understand Meyssan's simplifications.

 

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Great article! I didn't know there was a publication named after Voltaire, hero of the Enlightenment.

One of the most important consequences the United States is facing.
The attempt by George H. Bush (the father) and Bill Clinton to give the country a new life with the globalization of trade has destroyed the middle classes in the USA and in almost all of the West.

This quote was in OP's original post but I quoted it again because the implications are so profound.
Its main designer, Alexander Hamilton, said it and wrote in the Federalist Papers: its purpose is to establish a regime comparable to the British monarchy without aristocracy, certainly not a democracy.

This quote was in OP's original post but I quoted it again because it so accurately describes what is going on politically in the United States right now.
But in this age of globalization of information, everyone can see that the dice are loaded. This system is certainly tolerant, but oligarchic. In the United States, almost all laws are drafted by organized pressure groups, regardless of who is elected to Congress and the White House. The political staff is just a smokescreen that hides the real Power. Every decision of every politician is noted by these groups and directories compiling their docility are published every year.

It is clear that the American oligarchs don't want Trump in power. That is why the media has been attacking Trump so viciously ever since he won the republican nomination.
In that context, Donald Trump would probably have won the 2020 election if the United States were a democracy, but he lost because it’s an oligarchy and the politicians don’t want him.
 
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Look to introduce a thinker with he caveat that he be taken with a 'grain of salt' is a universal given, but frankly the 'Moscow leanings' remark is frankly a bit too much 'deep state' ketchup.

I've read Meyssan for 15 years: he's a communist agent and a Poutine/Russia apologist, lying and misrepresenting when he decides to. His articles are online for anyone to check this fact.

He might fool everyday people, but those able to read between the lines know the score.
 
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Interviewee, Clay Martin, has solid experience; what to do and what to expect:

 

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Interviewee, Clay Martin, has solid experience; what to do and what to expect:

The big picture folks...this guy is the 💣.

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Exiled French Intelligence Officier Thierry Meyssan published a provoking article on his website "Reseau Voltaire" relative to the recent US election fiasco, which anticipates a civil war followed by a breakup of the USA into 11 separate cultural entities.

Meyssan is known to play a double game with strong Moscow leanings, so his article is to be taken with a grain of salt.



" "Trump lost because the politicians don't want him"

What I am writing is not a fantasy, but the analysis of many observers in the United States and around the world. For example, the Wisconsin Supreme Court has just declared Donald Trump’s election fraud appeal inadmissible, not on legal grounds, but because "it would open Pandora’s box.


In fact, contrary to the misrepresentation of events that dominates the international press, either the outgoing president’s appeals are judged in law and he is obviously right, or they are judged in politics and proving him right will provoke civil war. But the conflict is already too far advanced. Judging him politically in defiance of the law will also provoke civil war.


We must stop interpreting the presidential election as a rivalry between Democrats and Republicans, whereas Donald Trump has never claimed to be a member of the Republican Party, which he stormed during his 2016 campaign. He is not an enlightened man, but a successor to President Andrew Jackson (1829-37). Yes, ideologically, the latter prefigured the "Southerners," the "Confederates.

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Just because Andrew Jackson is ignored in Europe does not mean that he is a marginal figure in American history. His portrait appears on the $20 bill, which he vetoed at the Federal Reserve.

We must stop pretending that Donald Trump does not represent the majority of his fellow citizens when he was first elected president in 2016, when he has just helped thousands of candidates win local elections in his name, and when he has just won millions more votes than in 2016.


No one in Europe seems to dare to see what is happening in front of us, because everyone clings to the idea of a United States that is a paragon of democracy. Please read the US Constitution, it will only take you a few minutes. It recognizes the sovereignty of the Federated States, not of the People.

Its main designer, Alexander Hamilton, said it and wrote in the Federalist Papers: its purpose is to establish a regime comparable to the British monarchy without aristocracy, certainly not a democracy.



This constitution lasted two centuries only because of the compromise of the First Ten Amendments (Bill of Rights). But in this age of globalization of information, everyone can see that the dice are loaded. This system is certainly tolerant, but oligarchic. In the United States, almost all laws are drafted by organized pressure groups, regardless of who is elected to Congress and the White House. The political staff is just a smokescreen that hides the real Power. Every decision of every politician is noted by these groups and directories compiling their docility are published every year.

The Europeans, who want to represent the United States as a democratic nation, keep claiming that the presidential election is a matter for the electorate. This is absolutely false. The constitution does not provide for the election of the federal president in the second degree by the people, but by an electoral college appointed by the governors. Over time, governors have ended up holding elections in their states before choosing the members of the Electoral College. Some have agreed to include it in their local constitutions, but not all.

In the end, the federal Supreme Court doesn’t care, as it did when George W. Bush v. Al Gore was appointed 20 years ago.
It explicitly stated that the potential election rigging that had taken place in Florida was not within its jurisdiction.


In that context, Donald Trump would probably have won the 2020 election if the United States were a democracy, but he lost because it’s an oligarchy and the politicians don’t want him.

The Jacksonians, supporters of democracy, have no choice but to take up arms to make their cause triumph, as the Second Amendment to their Constitution explicitly provides."
This guy has the best perspective on the current situation I think.

The big picture folks...this guy is the 💣.

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Derek Johnson once again shows his passion in this video as he tells everyone how disgusted he is that people don't know about the constitution, American History and how our United States military works.
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The big picture folks...this guy is the 💣.

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I don’t recommend wasting time with these kind of folks. It’s in line with what we read was alleged to happen behind the scenes after the 2020 elections. All sort of secret military and intelligence actions were alluded to, secret constitutional proceedings in action by federal executive organs.
Look up the „Trump elected again?“ thread.

Nothing of it happened. A lot of sci-fi conspiracy bull****.

Trump just sat in the White House swearin against the Telly
 

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I don’t recommend wasting time with these kind of folks. It’s in line with what we read was alleged to happen behind the scenes after the 2020 elections. All sort of secret military and intelligence actions were alluded to, secret constitutional proceedings in action by federal executive organs.
Look up the „Trump elected again?“ thread.

Nothing of it happened. A lot of sci-fi conspiracy bull****.

Trump just sat in the White House swearin against the Telly
I get it but this is the 11th hour, really 11:59 for the Republic. Unfortunately, we will have to wait a bit more to see what happens. New variables include hte new BRICS asset-backed financial system with other countries joining that group every day, the new leader Donatus in Germany, (see link below dated 11/7/22 and take it for what it's worth. The author has been based in Japan for about 30 years and used to run the Asian office for Forbes Magazine), Ukraine conflict, warring political factions in China and so on. IOTW, there is more going on than ever before, and this is truly WW3 or 4, depending on your view about the scale of the cold war.

 

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I don’t recommend wasting time with these kind of folks. It’s in line with what we read was alleged to happen behind the scenes after the 2020 elections. All sort of secret military and intelligence actions were alluded to, secret constitutional proceedings in action by federal executive organs.
Look up the „Trump elected again?“ thread.

Nothing of it happened. A lot of sci-fi conspiracy bull****.

Trump just sat in the White House swearin against the Telly
Obviously speculation and JMO

@LeeLemonoil I agree to a point. I believe the Qtards will get some sort of "proof" or vindication by the time Trump gets re-elected. I suspect (this is all theatre so nobody please mistake my words) that Trump set traps for democrats, pharmaceutical companies, evil Neo-cons, zionists etc while he was in office. Operation Warp Speed will be the operation that set the trap, not necessarily to get vaccines out but to identify all the players. When he returns, it will all be exposed (by design) and many of these people will be rounded up and made an example of. I think this is part of a greater ritual though that will confuse but also lure in the sheeple who are now open to the idea of a greater conspiracy given they just lived through COVID and know something doesnt make sense. It will also restore faith in the system because there will be some sort of accountability (although not for the real rulers of this realm). The evidence is coming out day by day and it's not because of the truthers (although there are many good people in the truth community) or because the truth is so glaringly obvious it cannot be denied. It's all a slow release psy op that has been planned far longer than anyone here understands truly. Trump is the biggest con man and he will remain that way.

PS. As below (united states) so above (Canada). In Canada we will have a similar event that "exposes" Trudeau and his sickening ilk. People will rejoice when the axe drops on our actors and actresses, all the while the puppet masters still remain in the shadows and continue with their plan.
 
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As time flies, things get clearer.

The Covid crisis and the Ukraine war have proven us both that Trump (he brought us the Covid vaccine full speed) and Meyssan (he applauded the Ukraine invasion with both hands- a degenerate) are globalist stooges.

I'm never ever going to waste a second of my life anymore taking seriously anything coming from them.
 

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If true, then we really are past the point of no return.

So, even though there is no perfect place to live on the planet, a move out of the U.S. seems more than reasonable, due to the authoritarian shift underway. I personally do not want to be anywhere near a fascist country that has BY FAR the most advanced surveillance capabilities on the planet!
 
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