What Does It Mean To Be Drained By Orgasm/masturbation

[kyle]

Almost all of my male friends are "sexually active" and don't call people sluts, whores etc. Why do you talk about "sexual active" people as if its some rare breed of people that is hard to find? The vast majority of people are "sexually active." Maybe you should just hang around different people.

I have in mind the blue collar, jocks and rock band kids who are usually more honest and direct especially when you throw alcohol in the mix. YMMV.

That's just an example of an attitude people develop and my point is it is no way exclusive to "incels," in fact its an expression of the larger culture. Incels and their psychology are the creation of the culture. Of course, that culture is most pronounced in Hollywood.

Rogers derelict dad - worked in Hollywood. His friends - Hollywood kids. He grew up in the epicenter of Weinstein-land. Rogers could never fit meet their standards but his overall preoccupation with sex was the same as his peers.

Am I wrong here? What nobody wanted to admit is society based on sterile, fleeting relationships and porn is the real context and incels are an expression of the Id of the wider culture.

 

[LUH 3417]

I have in mind the blue collar, jocks and rock band kids who are usually more honest and direct especially when you throw alcohol in the mix. YMMV.

That's just an example of an attitude people develop and my point is it is no way exclusive to "incels," in fact its an expression of the larger culture. Incels and their psychology are the creation of the culture. Of course, that culture is most pronounced in Hollywood.

Rogers derelict dad - worked in Hollywood. His friends - Hollywood kids. He grew up in the epicenter of Weinstein-land. Rogers could never fit meet their standards but his overall preoccupation with sex was the same as his peers.

Am I wrong here? What nobody wanted to admit is society based on sterile, fleeting relationships and porn is the real context and incels are an expression of the Id of the wider culture.

Society isn’t based on that because that’s what people desire. I never met an infant who wasn’t drawn to light and sound.

Society is based on that because there is extensively impactful and psychically damaging mind control that reproduces the sterility constantly through spectacle and media.

 

[Mr. God of Cars]

lol this is great scientific work ova heah... nice extrapolation, you should see if you can get a grant to study this

do you ever consider that there might be better things to ponder than the sexual activity of other humans? It seems to have broke your brain pretty hard

why not think about your own problems instead of constantly thinking about your really incomplete evolutionary biology theories and how taller men get laid more than you? It's not gonna help you, I guarantee it

It's a prejudice or bias to say my brain is broken; what made you conclude that? Why not think about my own problems? My own problems are knowing girls desire tall man much more sexually than normal man. You do not know my problems to judge me.

 

[Mr. God of Cars]

lol wut. Does it increase their self-confidence? Yes. Pride? Yes. Makes them horny because they know girls are DTF? uhhh idk about that one....Also there's tons of guys with zero experience with girls who are deep into pmo addiction and probably jerk it 2-3 times a day.



As much as Mr. God of Cars has a pretty toxic view of life that is significantly holding him back, I think he is right about the sex-masturbation correlation. N=1, the one time I got into a 6 month relationship that was emotionally and physically satisfying I don't think I masturbated once. I simply waited until I could have sex. It didn't diminish my daily libido, I just knew that if I waited it would make each sexual session that much more powerful and intimate. This value to me far outweighed the con of being sexually frustrated at times. But if we were to draw the parallel between sex,masturbation, and libido, I don't think there is one unless sex/masturbation approaches excessive amounts, i.e 2-3+ times a day repeatedly for an extended period of time.

If I'm right about such correlation, and my view is about that correlation, then how is my view of life toxic? It's not toxic, it's realistic(ally sad).

 

[Mr. God of Cars]

i would think people who are more sexually attractive would masturbate... they get stared down by girls and it makes them horny to know the girls are DTF

Possibly true, but since they are more likely to get laid with girls more (because they are more reproductively successful), they won't need to rely on masturbation to get sexual pleasure as much as 'normal' man.

 

[Luckytype]

It's a prejudice or bias to say my brain is broken; what made you conclude that? Why not think about my own problems? My own problems are knowing girls desire tall man much more sexually than normal man. You do not know my problems to judge me.

I dont want to get in the middle of this mid-thread battle but can you define roughly what consider "tall" and "normal"?

I swear to you, height is NOT the defining factor in attractiveness.

 

[Mr. God of Cars]

I dont want to get in the middle of this mid-thread battle but can you define roughly what consider "tall" and "normal"?

I swear to you, height is NOT the defining factor in attractiveness.

I quoted the word normal because a tall man can be normal, and because what I meant my 'normal' was average-height.

So, if height is not the defining factor in attractiveness, what is?

 

[Luckytype]

I quoted the word normal because a tall man can be normal, and because what I meant my 'normal' was average-height.

So, if height is not the defining factor in attractiveness, what is?

Right, I get that but what do you consider average height?

 

[raypeatclips]

I quoted the word normal because a tall man can be normal, and because what I meant my 'normal' was average-height.

So, if height is not the defining factor in attractiveness, what is?

How tall are you btw, and are you a virgin?

 

[Mr. God of Cars]

Right, I get that but what do you consider average height?

170cm to 1,85, possibly lower on the last number.

 

[Mr. God of Cars]

How tall are you btw, and are you a virgin?

I'm 1,76cm, and I'm not a virgin, but I do not have a girlfriend.

 

[raypeatclips]

I'm 1,76cm, and I'm not a virgin, but I do not have a girlfriend.

Attraction is so much more then height. One of my friends is your height (5"7) has slept with more women than anyone else I personally know (that I know the amount of partners they have) He is funny, slim, well dressed, well groomed, chatty, decent-ish job, goes on tinder a lot and grinds out conversations with girls that are up for having sex. He certainly isn't going on forums saying "women don't want to have sex with me because of my height." That is saying there are factors out of your control that people don't want to sleep with you, not because you are whining on a forum about how other people get laid so much more than you. It is a very helpless viewpoint and becomes self fulfilling after a while. You don't deserve to have sex with anyone just because you are alive and want sex, you need to make yourself more valuable. Firstly don't give a ***t if a woman doesn't want to have sex with you, plenty will if you are a "normal" human being i.e don't go on health forums whining about how tall people all get laid and you don't. Better yourself to become more attractive.

 

[Luckytype]

170cm to 1,85, possibly lower on the last number.

Ok cool. So i am what you would consider average height. I have always had a sexual partner in some form or another and I have never had problems with women. I have no problem talking with women randomly in public, and generally speaking I am comfortable grooming the conversation in such a way that it allows the woman to speak and me to listen.

Heres what(in my experience) women like to have in man. This not all encompassing list is general, there will obviously be situations where some women just arent interested in men in the same way I prefer Japanese cars over American cars. Attractiveness is not defined by height.

I am hopefully our female members will chime in here. But in my own personal experience women like

-Someone whos is genuinely interested in them
-Is calm and deliberate and doesnt get hyper excited around them when first meeting
-Can handle themselves in social situations
-Can challenge them both in a lighthearted sense and intellecually
- Someone who is independent, ive noticed the more even the exchange the more interest is generated(push-pull)
-Values their own appearance(cleanliness, dressed not like a slob, fingernails clean etc)
-Goal oriented, forward thinking
-Takes the good with the bad and can roll with he punches
-Has some sort of sense of humor(mine happens to be dry)
-Has the ability to maintain control of a situation instead of always "idk what do you wanna do"
-Has to be able to hold a conversation without pushing hard and without dominating it
-I have asked women before and apparently I have a slight mystery about me, likely because i am somewhat private and in personal situations, unlike business worlds, i tend to speak sparingly enough that when i talk, they listen.

Not all of these things need to be present for any one person and many times getting physical is a game of numbers and perseverance. Gotta be in it to win it and you learn along the way. And if one woman doesnt want you, who gives an actual ****, theres 3.5 billion of them on the planet.

One thing thats different about me than my friend group: I have absolutely no problem approaching people in public and talking to them. I hold doors for women, I help little old ladies whenever I see them, I can approach a dude compliment his boots and get him talking about himself if i want to learn where he buys his boots. I can cold call people at work, state my purpose and ask a question that gets them to open up to me and tell me what they may be lacking in their business. Just the same, I can approach a woman at a grocery store ask her if shes randomly tried a fruit or yogurt or whatever random thing and get her talking about herself. This in turn gives her the impression im listening, that I am "nice" and builds a very early sense of trust. The mystery part leads to attraction

So the psychology in my learned experience is people for some reason are interested in people that give the perception you are interested in them. This in turn allows them to get comfortable because they are leading the conversation and thus begin to trust you.

A great example similar to how you may start working with someone you dont find attractive at first. Eventually the dynamic is that you learn about each other, jokes happen, trust os developed and then you find yourself saying "shes really not that bad".

Assimilation of learned social dynamics is why people get laid.

 

[Ulysses]

My own problems are knowing girls desire tall man much more sexually than normal man.

Everything else being equal, maybe. The thing about life is that everything else is never equal. I'm almost 6'2" and have been rejected by plenty of women. Why? A million reasons, half of them having nothing to do with me. If a girl doesn't want you, forget about her; find another one and try her instead. Rinse repeat. There are billions of women on this planet, some of them will want you, it's just a question of finding them. If that utterly normal process of trial-and-error makes you anxious, then the problem is in you, not in women.

The very fact you're on this forum, that you found it at all, is strong evidence that your psychology is being conditioned by some underlying metabolic problem. Focus on getting healthy. If you heal successfully, you will reach such a point of self-sufficiency that "women" and their behaviors and preferences will stop bothering you. Until you do, you will always unfairly expect women to give you something that no woman ever could.

 

[Mr. God of Cars]

Have you ever actually had sex with a woman? Having sex does not necessarily diminish the need for masturbation in my experience, you would think it would, but it doesn't.

Also, do you think the amount of sex someone has directly correlates with their height? With no other variables involved such as personality, wealth, body type, how many whiney posts they make on health forums?

"Yet research finds little correlation between frequency of masturbation and frequency of intercourse. As one example, a study of college students found those who masturbate frequently also engage in intercourse more frequently and have more sex partners.[4]"

www.psychologytoday.com/blog/sex-life-the-american-male/201309/the-impact-masturbation-romantic-relationships%3famp

I've said it before but small areas of this forum are starting to turn into a really weird cringey incel forum.

Contrary evidence: The Truth About Why Guys Masturbate So Much (As Told By Guys)

 

[Ulysses]

So, if height is not the defining factor in attractiveness, what is?

The way you make people feel is the defining factor. Women like tall men because those men make them feel a certain way: safe, protected, whatever. If you want those women, then figure out how to make them feel that way. Not to manipulate them, but to actually give them what they want.

I promise you, height is not a requirement for that. In any case, whatever you figure out, it will sometimes work, and sometimes not. If it doesn't, then move on and try again. That's life.

 

[Luckytype]

Contrary evidence: The Truth About Why Guys Masturbate So Much (As Told By Guys)

But understand, these are isolated and it hardly accounts for the hundreds of millions of interactions daily between men and women.

Just today i read a couple studies of groups of males using cyproheptadine and its effects on prolactin secretion at night or something. One study effectively said "yep it diminishes it", the other said "nope hardly an effect".

 

[raypeatclips]

Contrary evidence: The Truth About Why Guys Masturbate So Much (As Told By Guys)

Are we now using random quotes on horoscope websites for evidence now lol? Also, we have responded to one another more positively after this post since not sure why you're quoting old posts.

 

[Mr. God of Cars]

This isnt actually how it works, real world situations. Not with a lot of young healthy dudes. Having "reproductive success" with women doesnt always diminish the reserve many of us have. Then again, everyone is different.

There are tons of tall guys that absolutely dont get respect, and if youve ever seen a huge gangly giant in public lots of people stare because its like seeing a girl, respectfully, with something like a huge booty or a perfect face or something in public. Its uncommon and the more exagerrated it is, the more everyone will notice, those with no social cue or courtesy or more awkwardness are apt to stare.

See my own post I quoted.

I just don't think this is the case, at least in most situations. What I have noticed is that people stare at things they find attractive for the eye, especially if they stare at the thing they are looking for more than 2 seconds, and I just happened to have seen girls looking at tall guys for more than 5 seconds (one case it was 13 seconds or more (yes, I counted and weirdly observational)), but I never saw girls looking that much time at average-height or short guys, and it doesn't matter if those guys are their boyfriends, family member, or random person on a random spot.

 

[Mr. God of Cars]

i would think people who are more sexually attractive would masturbate... they get stared down by girls and it makes them horny to know the girls are DTF

Not true because they have more sex, canceling the need for masturbation (it doesn't mean they don't masturbate -- it means they masturbate less, even much less).