What Are The Effects Of Chronic Masturbation On The Body?

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Thanks! I was reminded of this when the question was laid out, so I haven't adressed it directly yet.
Breathing I bet. Articles » Hans Lindgren DC I gained a lot of insight from this guy.
after 2 months stretches to correct anterior pelvic tilt, I'm starting to feel my pelvis fall back on my feet(it feels distinct in the lumbar muscles). I litteraly think "touch ground" and this let me focus on putting the lumbar spine back above the pelvis, and from there down to the heels.
This and then "pushing" rolling my femurs to the sides and down(lying on back, in bed, in neutral tilt), here I have a lot of muscles that feels very sore/tight, and it feels good to do it focused and slowly.
It feels like these two combined, have affected my pelvic floor, mainly from observing organs involved.
That's close to what I've been doing too, rotating, flexing and stretching the body in various ways in front of the mirror. It's awesome when you reach the level of flexibility and strength that allows you to use the whole posterior and anterior chain while standing or walking for the very first time. Suddenly you're very stable and firm, like nothing can knock you over.

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How I used to stand vs how I stand now. Notice how much forward the pelvic area comes when the postural muscles are activated in a symmetrical manner, and how much more harmonious the whole posture looks.
 
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Looking good.
It feels amazing when you start to feel the chain along the body. I have newfound respect for it all.
Now I'm on the right track, I can feel when I'm pushing gravity away without even tiring out vs falling but holding on with extra tight muscles.
For me now, it's a slow and steady process, of mostly stretching this, but a bit of strengthening that. I'm trying to rely on sensory experience, and sure enough, every few days, I am aware of subtle feeling of something lacking/dullnes in my neck, which then I can focus on and sure enough, my skull then can tilt 1 degree back, or twist slight left etc.
I don't know if you're familiar with Zhealthfitness, I think a user here, Zach used to/is related to them. But they focus alot on internal feel of movement/"sensory integration" vs external with eyes. and I have witnessed it myself later. I can look and create the perfect posture from outside, but I would still have the same imbalances inside, but now with added tension.
The reason I'm saying it is, I've gone this path before, I forced a good posture in torso myself, but in hindsight I can see it created tension problems in calves, feet and neck I'm correcting now.
What I also like about posture, is it's a very self-defining asepct of how you realte to yourself and others, so in that regards, Good luck self exploring! :D
 
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Yes, I think posture and proper physical handling of yourself is at least as significant as the genetic "look" of you in terms of your social life. They both serve as filters through which people perceive that what you regard as your personality. Just by standing differently the way your whole being is perceived by others changes. No one will believe you have the soul of a hard an honest worker if you can't keep your butt and belly from sticking out, hips from rotating inward and shoulders from hunching. From biological point of view, you would radiate weaknessness and fitlessness. You don't necessarily have to look handsome, but reaching a state of congruence between your mental conception of yourself and your physical representation of yourself can only improve anyone's life, whether it is done by changing others perception of you or your perception of yourself.

I haven't heard of the Zhealth thing you mentioned, but thanks, good to be aware of them if something starts going wrong. I can relate to their philosophy. The body really does tell you a lot as long as you're able to listen, but it does it in its own terms. You don't feel hunger before you're hungry or pain before you get hurt. In similar manner, the body does seem to want to open up in a certain order, which makes sense, because the compensatory chain of muscle imbalances has appeared in a certain order too. The solution must therefore begin from untying the final knot in the chain, then the next one, and so on. Otherwise getting rid of one compensation may cause another compensation to appear elsewhere.


I've been smoking some sativa to amplify my sensory intuition during my flexing sessions, and I strongly feel like it has helped with creating better connection between the mind and the muscles, along with locating various problem areas and determining their relationships with each other. I hardly enjoy using weed recreationally any more, but for this purpose it has been an excellent aid.
 

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My own experience esp with porn (which a lot of this thread has focused on) is pretty different than most of what I've read here.

For instance, it doesn't make me objectify women at ALL. If anything the increased awareness of my own sexuality makes me more curious about the woman's experience of sexuality and more willing to risk deeper emotional depth and connection to discover it.

I have zero confusion between the idealized images in porn and real people. To me, porn concentrates sexual imagery and cues to create a response, but my interest is in the response, not the person. Sure, there's a real person involved somewhere, but I'm not going to pretend I know who that person is; what I see in the screen is just pixels and sounds - it's like a fancy sex toy, not a person I might actually have sex with.

I - like many here - prefer "real" sex. The extreme plastic look and fake moaning is a real turn off. But I also know that a lot of the "real" stuff is often staged too, or there's plastic there as well it's just less obvious. So I don't judge the plastic stuff much - everybody finds what triggers their minds, and people are going to find it no matter what. I just move on.

That said, some stuff really turned me off - too-young girls, hostility and meanness and outright hurting - I might just put the computer away after seeing some of that.

Re masturbation, the only response I recognize is the increased prolactin for a while, and perhaps that had an effect. But I seem less effected the older I get - possibly a result of Peat eating to lower prolactin?

I also haven't noticed any impact on my "performance" - certainly hasn't reduced libido or erectile function, nor made me want to replicate the same motion with a real person. And my "style" isn't like usually described either - I always read that men do it quickly and roughly. But if anything I'm the opposite there - and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

For me it's been more of a "use it or lose it" thing. Now that I'm older (60's) I find sex to be more pleasurable, more appealing than when I was younger.
 

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I wonder how much of the positive effects that the nofap people experience from abstinance is simply attributable to the shaming and guilt that surrounds male masturbation rather than some beneficial physiological shift. Attitudes towards female masturbation seem the exact opposite. It's seen as a sign of sexual health, a way of valuing their bodies etc and any criticism of it is dealt with as major infringement on their sexuality. Unlike with male masturbation where it's supposedly indicative of some kind of character flaw and inability to attract a partner. So it's not surprising that the female nofap community appears to be a lot smaller.

Moralising nonsense aside, the insatiable sex drive which underpins chronical masturbation can be a sign of extreme stress (possible high estrogen as Ray has said), and masturbation a totally logical but somewhat futile attempt to relieve it. It makes more sense to treat it as a health issue rather than a moral one. Abstinance seems like a fairly destructive way to go about it.

All the porn hate and the neuro-babble trotted out to justify it is boring as ****, not that I could care one way or another about porn.
 

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I wonder how much of the positive effects that the nofap people experience from abstinance is simply attributable to the shaming and guilt that surrounds male masturbation rather than some beneficial physiological shift. Attitudes towards female masturbation seem the exact opposite. It's seen as a sign of sexual health, a way of valuing their bodies etc and any criticism of it is dealt with as major infringement on their sexuality. Unlike with male masturbation where it's supposedly indicative of some kind of character flaw and inability to attract a partner. So it's not surprising that the female nofap community appears to be a lot smaller.

Moralising nonsense aside, the insatiable sex drive which underpins chronical masturbation can be a sign of extreme stress (possible high estrogen as Ray has said), and masturbation a totally logical but somewhat futile attempt to relieve it. It makes more sense to treat it as a health issue rather than a moral one. Abstinance seems like a fairly destructive way to go about it.

All the porn hate and the neuro-babble trotted out to justify it is boring as ****, not that I could care one way or another about porn.
I think the stereotype of the male masturbator is different from that of the female masturbator partly because it elicits a different physiological response and thus effects the individual differently. Male ejaculation is much more taxing for the body than female ejaculation. In at least American society male masturbation is becoming widely accepted and even expected. If guilt is a factor than it is a factor that will soon disappear. Masturbation can help one mentally cope with stress (which is why so many people do it and get addicted to it) but it often nullifies the drive to overcome the source of a stress and grow as a person or to change one's conditions. In this regard it is similar to alcoholism, a coping mechanism that soon becomes the source of one's problems and inability to overcome.
 
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That reasoning still infers that the symptom is the cause of the problem, which doesn't make any sense.

It's a valid point that symptomatic behaviours can be destructive and something of an impedement but even if they are removed the root problem remains. In the case of chronic masturbation, any destructiveness that might occur from it is due to the frustration produced from realizing that it isn't relieving the restlessness, stress and agitation that lies behind it all, along with the guilt and shame that's entirely culturally enforced.

I'm not so sure about male ejaculation being more taxing. Woman are less spent after orgasm, at least during sex, because they don't have to exert themselves physically anywhere near as much as men!
 

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That reasoning still infers that the symptom is the cause of the problem, which doesn't make any sense.

It's a valid point that symptomatic behaviours can be destructive and something of an impedement but even if they are removed the root problem remains. In the case of chronic masturbation, any destructiveness that might occur from it is due to the frustration produced from realizing that it isn't relieving the restlessness, stress and agitation that lies behind it all, along with the guilt and shame that's entirely culturally enforced.

I'm not so sure about male ejaculation being more taxing. Woman are less spent after orgasm, at least during sex, because they don't have to exert themselves physically anywhere near as much as men!
Yes if masturbation is removed a root problem often remains. I don't know any alcoholics that became alcoholics because their life was going great. I think of it as a positive feedback loop. Health issues and external conditions may make an individual turn to masturbation to cope but in many situations the coping mechanism keeps one content under poor condition. As for the actual effects of masturbation on the human body there are some studies about sex, masturbation, and porn on the brain but not the entirety of the human body. It is up to the individual to perceive, think and act. Personally I doubt that my own experiences as well as that of communities like Nofap regarding masturbation are due to an emotional cause.
 

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I don't know any alcoholics that became alcoholics because their life was going great
LOL! First thing that came in mind is Robin Williams. And David Hasselhoff. And a whole bunch of rich retards in high social tears (physicians for e.g.) in my personal milieu who cannot leave the bottle...And I don't like alcoholics at all...
 

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LOL! First thing that came in mind is Robin Williams. And David Hasselhoff. And a whole bunch of rich retards in high social tears (physicians for e.g.) in my personal milieu who cannot leave the bottle...And I don't like alcoholics at all...
No person you listed necessarily had a life that was going great. They achieved what most consider success, but were they truly happy with life? Robin Williams evidently was not.
 

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The libido is like this: A stressful event occurs; the male recognizes the stressor, there's an initial response (fight-or-flight) until exhaustion. At the point of exhaustion, the male gets the urge to procreate; the urge has been overcome so as to guarantee survival and immediate relief from danger, but the initiation of the stressor has signaled a need in the environment, but in the context of energy abundance (an energy replete physiological state); therefore, the male seeks to create a solution (or procreate). Both actions of creation and procreation stem from the same impulse, or response of a living being to an environmental need.
Why not just learn more about the functionning of the autonomic nervous sytem?
Things become more easy to understand and FEEL, so the the PERCEIVE word of the 1st sentence of this forum can have full meaning.
Libido can be balanced only when the autonomic nervous system is in balance.
Of course energy is removed from sex organs during stress, because it would be foolish to remove it from the lungs!
Then it has to come back to calm.

Digestion immune system and sex are the 3 things that need a parasymtathic state.
All this gets fuc..d up when the sympathic stay high instead of moving like waves up and down.

Of course it is partly social, because we do not have a life that allows us to get married early. We have to study, we have to look for a partner in a world that looks like a mix of tribes who do not share the same values, so early attraction is often stopped by problems of values, leading to a sort of separation that surely was not even possible in homogenous groups.

I agree that a nice smile is very sexy, because we are intuitively aware that this is a sign of health! Our health is going away and libido need are not met, but not even relationship needs. I saw the word dopamine, but it is also oxytocine that is missing, and this you get from REAL beings.

Have you been around a woman breastfeeding? I can feel the oxytocin! It is nearly overwhelmingly strong.

Then as @Tarmander said, there is the channeling of energy, and it is the basis of tantra I think. You can "take" the sex drive with your imagination and make it move in your body, up along the spine, and down nourrishing your guts, and then you go on circling. It gives energy, and then you need something in your life where to use this energy, this is life energy. In the east, in the tantra teachings, they say that you can reach the nice orgasmic stage without blowing your energy. By learning this, then may be that is the way to not loose the minerals, but still feel good?
All hormones like dopamine, oxytocine and serotonine are produced short term and then eliminated, so that we need to DO something else to get the next fix! It is known in the field of education that those substances HAVE to be linked to a behaviour so that we can be incherge of doing the necessary to get them. This is what is inside the positive reinforcement education. Positive has nothing to do with positive but with + as in addition. It is about reinforcing a behaviour through obtaining a RESULT, and this delivers dopamine. This is what is behind ALL type of addiCtion, so the secret can be that for a good living, we have to choose our addictions!
Society and the way we have learned in childhood and even after, do not help us much, in general, but if you learn and understand how this work, you can use it for yourself.
 

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All related, it is not by chance that this is in this thread!
It feels amazing when you start to feel the chain along the body. I have newfound respect for it all.
Our culture has lost this that should be there all life long. It is called the felt sense. It is under-applied...
Sorry for always bringing some scientific words to what is primarily felt and enjoyed!
Maybe porn is about sex without the total felt sense? Because there is a missing connection with a real being? We as mammels have a special need for another mammel, and preferably from our species!
It is all about about having repressed the natural felt-sense from an early age!
The body really does tell you a lot as long as you're able to listen, but it does it in its own terms. You don't feel hunger before you're hungry or pain before you get hurt. In similar manner, the body does seem to want to open up in a certain order, which makes sense, because the compensatory chain of muscle imbalances has appeared in a certain order too. The solution must therefore begin from untying the final knot in the chain, then the next one, and so on. Otherwise getting rid of one compensation may cause another compensation to appear elsewhere.
That is what I experiment, and what I speak about when I talk about Somatic Experiencing!
We have not learned to listen to the body, we have even learned to repress what we knew and felt as children.
It is a great path to recover these capacities!
I always read that men do it quickly and roughly. But if anything I'm the opposite there - and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Now that I'm older (60's) I find sex to be more pleasurable, more appealing than when I was younger.
As a woman in 50's, I can tell this rough way is the main problem why we often refuse sex when it would be a nice option...
It is not nice at all when your partner comes back from his job and want some release from the stress of the day, because there is NO CONNECTION!
More over, how a woman can feel when they considere that you should be like them and have need to relieve a tention!
Why not see and realize that the tention is there first and has to be dealt with in another way? We are full of tentions because we are not connected to our felt sense!
Deal with the tention and then sex becomes possible for both. And deeply repleting the oxytocine. Why do you think that men are up sooner than women after sex? In that case they have missed the oxytocin high I think!

Yes @ThinkPerceive, men seem to find this by experience one day, some sooner than others, and I have seen the difference when maturing too. I am quite the same, but saw men changing more than me to this respect. There is nothing better than not being sexualy aroused, but feel some contact, at invisible level, and this you feel, you KNOW that the other person feels it at the same time, because it is connection. Then it is like a dance, or playing pingpong with sensations, trying to send the ball a good way, not for defeating of course, as it goes from one to the other. It HAS to start as something very light and subtle, so that people can connect at the sbtle level of the felt sense, or else you donot feel it. Then there is a movement at inner level, that has to be kept by both people at the same time. The higher you can keep this, the more incredible the experience, and orgasm is only when one cannot stand more! It is the too good point! But you can push this point further.
 
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To me the "healing" from porn addiction was to instruct myself about the term egregor and understanding, that krypto-jews are cultivating something in this direction - and every kind of attention, more so ejaculation are strengthening their pervert egregor. At some point I said to myself: Don't feed their disgusting pet. And it was over with all watching and masturbating...
 

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Egregors are understanded in "esoteric" circles as global effecting cumulations of a certain quality of energy.
 

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To me the "healing" from porn addiction was to instruct myself about the term egregor and understanding, that krypto-jews are cultivating something in this direction - and every kind of attention, more so ejaculation are strengthening their pervert egregor. At some point I said to myself: Don't feed their disgusting pet. And it was over with all watching and masturbating...
The problem with going down this road is how inevitably at some point you realize that no matter what you do you're always benefiting a certain group of jews or other elites. There is no singular jewish agenda that you can fight against. Even dividing them into zionistic orthodox jews and secularized, morally nihilistic liberal jews does not paint the whole picture. The real stage has to be much more complex than that. Some elite groups are bound to have aims that are based on ideals that are very congruent with your subjectively conceptualized view on morality, others may feel like your personal nemesis.

Merely rebelling against any authority for the sake of it is not always productive.
 
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