JewlzSanguine
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I would like to start smoking organic tobacco again however it makes me break out. I assume it’s the detoxification of PUFA and estrogen. How can I smoke without breaking out?
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Yes they really are, at least the ones labeled organic. However the combustion byproducts are still dangerous, along with the fertilizers and their radioactivity. Most tobacco commercially grown today is compromised. The rolling papers are also horrible, hemp or not, organic or not, the best is tobacco leaf like cigars for rolling or a pipe. The safest bet seems to be growing one's own tobacco or finding a clean one to make into snuss. Smoking it is something I wouldn't do, I'd only puff on it like a cigar, no need to push it down into the lungs to feel it.Is American Spirit really organic? I’ve heard bad things about the brand, despite how it’s advertised.
That's neat, will order some pipe tobacco from them. Thanks@TabulaRasa
leafonly.com . They also have 1/4 lb samples of organic commercial species. 1/4 lb, even being whole leaf with stems being some of the weight, is much more after destemming than the ~2 oz package of American Spirit rolling tobacco. They also have wild Nicotiana rustica from India (sometimes; if it's in stock) but it's not certified organic so I don't know whether it's really wild grown or if the "wild" in the product name is to attract attention, from people who might not know the species name but have heard of wild tobacco species, and maybe it was cultivated with some chemicals. Rustica grows easily though so it might be more profitable for farmers in India to just let it grow naturally without extra input costs. There are also some people who sell Mapacho online, which is rustica from Ecuador or Peru. Depending where it's from and their traditions I think sometimes it's cured with alcohols or sugars or can be cured without those.
I think tobacco producers do have to list ingredients, just not on their product but in a data base. This is one from Philip Morris for example.The ingredients on the organic American Spirit rolling tobacco package are "tobacco, water". And also on the package it says, "No additives in our tobacco does NOT mean safer." I don't know what the legal requirements about the specification of ingredients of tobacco on packaging are (none? because cigarettes don't have to list ingredients), so together those two statements on the package might leave open the possibility of additives being put in the water ingredient. Smoking the organic American Spirit rolling tobacco felt less healthy to me than the certified organic tobacco from leafonly.com. I wouldn't be surprised if the CIA has a mole working at American Spirit who they use to trick unsuspecting hipsters into inhaling things into their blood they otherwise might not want to. Now that I'm posting this, their AI internet surveillance will probably notify someone they should get a mole into LeafOnly (just kidding; they'd have to get moles into the growers LeafOnly buys from... uh oh). Maybe the stuff on the American Spirit package is a joke for overly paranoid people like me. Either way, American Spirit's owned by a big tobacco company, so better to get certified organic tobacco from other people, or grow your own Nicotiana rustica (or get it from the Native American community maybe).
I think tobacco producers do have to list ingredients, just not on their product but in a data base. This is one from Philip Morris for example.
Ye, also certain chemicals are allowed during the growing stage just as all organic crops. So I grew 9 plants this year (canadian virginia light) with seeds from leafonly. Tomorrow Im building a fermenting kiln.At the moment only 1/4 of the leaves are dry ready for fermenting and still plentiful. So just two plants can give you tobacco for months if u smoke less than 5 cigarretes a day.One thing folks need to consider about the organic label is that may just pertain to growing the crop. After it's harvested it has to sit in huge warehouses for years to cure, and they fumigate those warehouses regularly to kill off tobacco beetles. I suspect organically grown stuff gets the same treatment. I can't imagine otherwise because tobacco beetles will absolutely destroy unprotected tobacco.