Ray Peat And Stalinism

[snacks]

that type of question is to deep my friend

but seriously, what is wrong about it is that they may kill people for thinking differently , when a dictator is in power and no one cant question him. simple as that.

you really think dictatorship is ok or was that just a philosophical type of question?!

Just interested in what you think. I'm indifferent to abstract questions like that personally

 

[michael94]

also i found it interesting when peter scheff said today's usa system leans toward socialism and that is what caused some problems. check him on youtube.

schiff is a gate keeper and apologist for the Banking system. Gold buggery is insane when you consider who has the Gold.

 

[michael94]

I hate Peter Schiff with a passion

 

[MatheusPN]

which country you mean?

mandatory vaccination is your top priority to measure democracy?! you think on lower part of that list if they dont have mandatory vaccination is because they care about people's right to choice?!!

Cuba, similar/ greater in direct democracy than Switzerland.
Say to the poor that he has the right to be happy. As long as absurd power/ money inequality exists, something that capitalism cultivates, the elite will govern. Especially in a society that loves them, like the elitists/ right-wingers.

any ideological system will end in dictatorship.

Almost something that Karl Marx would affirm.

 

[paymanz]

schiff is a gate keeper and apologist for the Banking system. Gold buggery is insane when you consider who has the Gold.

i dont like his other ideas too.

Cuba, similar/ greater in direct democracy than Switzerland.
Say to the poor that he has the right to be happy. As long as absurd power/ money inequality exists, something that capitalism cultivates, the elite will govern. Especially in a society that loves them, like the elitists/ right-wingers.

ok! so cuba is direct democracy. you need to ask their people ,let them express themselves(without any danger or fear) then you will find out what percent of that country are happy about their system. their athletes run away from cuba in any international tournament to live somewhere else. i guess only problem is that they cannot go back to cuba after that.

there is no need to have any poor people in country ,your happy whole country's economy is destroyed and most people are poor? i bet you in all of these countries there are layers connected to power and live like a king! without that such government cannot survive , they need it to have a power circle to oppress society to stay in power.
economic corruption is over the roof in these countries.

 

[Quelsatron]

Peat also said that lactose intolerance across the world is a myth and was started by conservative politicians to stop the US from shipping out it's cheese/powdered milk stores. He said this was a lie and that most if the world can actually digest lactose. He said this on a DR podcast a while back.

I'm not actually sure that's true. I think we do understand the lactase gene and it's pretty apparent that some groups are pretty damn lactose intolerant. In those groups, any lactose acts exactly like cellulose or starch does, except worse. This is typical of Peat, in saying that any milk issues are other stuff, besides the intrinsic interaction between the person and milk.

To give Peat credit, even with the lactose thing, it does seem like some groups can consume unmodified lactose rich milk and not suffer anything from it. I personally noticed this while watching videos of the Japanese. They drink a decent amount of milk, for an Asian culture (another American thing added to their culture).

So, solely because of that and what Peat said, I stated doubting the whole lactose intolerance by race idea. See, I'm open to ideas. I don't have many golden geese.

But then I found this study: Japanese Milk Consumption: Asymptomatic Lactose Intolerance Following a Recent Cultural Diffusion

77% lactose intolerance. Proved with breath hydrogen test. I assume non-lactose intolerant produce little.

"This result came as a surprise to our subjects, as most described no discomfort during the test, and regularly consume milk. We speculate that an alternative solution involves a lactose-friendly microbiome."

Which is similar to the quote from this: "Nonetheless, it was determined that the majority of these LNP adults could consume approximately 15–30 g of lactose without experiencing severe symptoms."

This makes sense. People with sucrase deficiency can eat 15g of sucrose with feeling any negatives, so the same should generally be true with lactose.

So, Ray Peat wrong again. Turns out lactose intolerance is a real thing, and is based on race. Sure, you can have a little, it's probably been overblown, but it's real, and any little bit you have ia going to be fermented by bacteria in your stomach, causing them to grow. That's the only reason he could deny it. If lactose intolerance caused obvious symptoms like the Asian alcohol reaction does he wouldn't be able to deny it (another mutation causing the absence of an enzyme which breaks down food, and which is ignored by the people who have it).

This could easily be fixed though. Lactase is pretty damn cheap, and I think it should be added to milk as a standard. You should have the choice of whether you want it or not though. But in places like Japan especially, milk should have it's lactose broken down. Denying a lack of lactase means that won't happen, and gut flora will be happily fed.

I mean, if you can consume 30 g of lactose (about 1 liter of milk, according to the carton I'm drinking now) without any negative symptoms I'd be hard-pressed to call you lactose intolerant, biomarkers be damned. It also makes sense given that peat recommended a gradual increase in milk consumption for supposedly lactose-intolerant people, so it could be the microbiome adapting.

By the way, isn't H2 supposed to be this CO2-like super gas even used in canonical medical practice? I bought some pills before lol, though I didn't really notice anything

 

[boris]

How about this. How about we look at Peat and what he said "**In Context**".
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Peat has also said positive things about UBI and, at least in kne podcast, basically said it's a good idea.
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That's Ray Peat in context.

So, what was the context? They also talked about UBI as part of a planned enslavement on the podcas (46:00). When Peat "talks favourably" about socialist ideas, he talks about them in the context of humans as a cooperative species, not because he supposedly wishes Stalin back.

 

[postman]

@BigYellowLemon Good that my answer to your replies would be the same, except that I would exclude the first paragraph, so I haven't any reason to hijack more hahaha
@paymanz How a country can be communist? Communistic societies exist, communist country is nonsense
@postman There's lots of communists societies, which did all this?

The Holodomor, the Soviets made it a crime for starving Ukrainans to flee the country, they made it illegal for the starvation refugees to leave. Maybe it didn't carry the death penalty because I can't find anything about it right now, although you could of course consider being sent back to famine a death penalty.

 

[snacks]

The Holodomor, the Soviets made it a crime for starving Ukrainans to flee the country, they made it illegal for the starvation refugees to leave. Maybe it didn't carry the death penalty because I can't find anything about it right now, although you could of course consider being sent back to famine a death penalty.

Good lord you people need to learn to research. Death penalty was imposed for taking ("stealing") grain and animals etc. that had been allocated for export or that was collectively owned (socialist property is the translation I think but sounds like an oxymoron-- I have to plead english not first language here). About 2.000 of 55.000 or about 4% of those tried for crimes like this were executed. The soviets continued to export grain throughout the holodomor-- although the quantity of export went down considerably-- and of course the majority of what ukraine and southern russia provided was allocated to the remainder of the USSR. It was de facto death penalty by starvation and constituted a genocide either way though.

In 1932 Ukraine output almost 4.5 million tons of grain and the soviet grain reserves were on the order of 10 million so any notion that the policy of starvation wasn't deliberate can be put to rest.

 

[MatheusPN]

The Holodomor, the Soviets made it a crime for starving Ukrainans to flee the country, they made it illegal for the starvation refugees to leave. Maybe it didn't carry the death penalty because I can't find anything about it right now, although you could of course consider being sent back to famine a death penalty.

Yeah, Holodomor, unfortunately, all the fault goes to the concept of anti-statism, blessed communists. So the Soviets organized themselves as a community, not a State, how every community there unified, like a State, without a traditional State organization and hierarchy, crazy. :)

Come closer, existed a giant communist territory, not in SU, the Soviets conquered them.

 

[snacks]

Yeah, Holodomor, unfortunately, all the fault goes to the concept of anti-statism, blessed communists. So the Soviets organized themselves as a community, not a State, how every community there unified, like a State, without a traditional State organization and hierarchy, crazy. :)

Come closer, existed a giant communist territory, not in SU, the Soviets conquered them.

Махновщина?

 

[MatheusPN]

Махновщина?

Da!

 

[snacks]

Da!

Not really a fan but they were at least real attempting real anarchy unlike the LARPers in Catalonia and Paris

 

[postman]

Yeah, Holodomor, unfortunately, all the fault goes to the concept of anti-statism, blessed communists. So the Soviets organized themselves as a community, not a State, how every community there unified, like a State, without a traditional State organization and hierarchy, crazy. :)

Come closer, existed a giant communist territory, not in SU, the Soviets conquered them.

What?

 

[snacks]

I mean, if you can consume 30 g of lactose (about 1 liter of milk, according to the carton I'm drinking now) without any negative symptoms I'd be hard-pressed to call you lactose intolerant, biomarkers be damned. It also makes sense given that peat recommended a gradual increase in milk consumption for supposedly lactose-intolerant people, so it could be the microbiome adapting.

By the way, isn't H2 supposed to be this CO2-like super gas even used in canonical medical practice? I bought some pills before lol, though I didn't really notice anything

But I mean taken at face value, Peat's assertion that lactose intolerance is a concept invented by western capitalism is completely nonsensical unless western capitalists also went back in time to take pains to teach people who couldn't tolerate lactose (Mongolians, Tatars e.g.) but still engaged in animal husbandry a million and one ways to ferment milk and alter its chemical composition instead of drinking it as it is

 

[snacks]

What?

Besides the first part which seems fairly comprehensible for a Brazilian's attempt at English, the answer to your question is the following post. I would argue that Makhnovia was more an agrarian warlord state with novel political arrangements in the manner of the cossack hosts than a real marxist state, some similarities aside. Dislike the atheism though

 

[PxD]

generally poorer impulse control, greater internal and external factors pushing them towards putting vanity over health (it seems like a lot of men are picking up on this lately with the "incel" thing). It also seems like its easier for women to cause themselves irreversible damage than men, though looking at this forum has made me wonder about that too



They could've produced more if not for the death of Rhodesia but that would just be kicking the problem farther down the curb. Africa's population vs. sustainability is still concerning but if you look at census methodology in i.e. Nigeria it's obvious that there's a heavy amount of just making up numbers.



A "famined" area that was still a massive net exporter of grain. It was deliberate mass starvation of Russian and Ukrainian landholders, no need to beat around the bush with that

Can you elaborate on what you know about the African census methods? You think they're overcounting population and population growth?

Nigeria at 200 million currently would seem grossly overpopulated for what it can sustain at a reasonable standard of living, and forecasters have it growing to 700+ million over the rest of this century, which just seems absurd.

 

[snacks]

Can you elaborate on what you know about the African census methods? You think they're overcounting population and population growth?

Nigeria at 200 million currently would seem grossly overpopulated for what it can sustain at a reasonable standard of living, and forecasters have it growing to 700+ million over the rest of this century, which just seems absurd.

Think about the logistics of conducting a census in a country like Mali with multiple ongoing insurgencies, countries like Nigeria with similar issues and a general lack of stable government institutions outside of cities like Lagos, countries like Somalia with more than one de facto government (i.e. Somaliland). Even in a state that's just beginning to fail like the US there are tons of issues with conducting a truly systematic census, i.e. non-cooperation, technicalities over counting of illegals etc. In Africa and really much of the rest of the world there is simply no way to conduct a census barring simple estimation, and there are plenty of incentives to drastically overestimate. For example, a culture that sees having many kids as a sign of prosperity, a higher number of people and a prospect of a massive starving population incentivizing aid money for you, minorities not wanting to disclose their tenuous demographic state and invite a reckoning (Christians in Nigeria are a good example of this last one). basically, GIGO

 

[PxD]

I'm disappointed that you are devolving into whataboutisms and putting words in my mouth (or Peaat's). Nobody is saying that the soviets were "better" than the Nazis. Just different in a way that is illuminating.

You stated in an earlier post that communist class-based/anti-imperialist policy was reasonable, but Nazi race-based policy was inherently repulsive to you because it revolved around race.

Who cares if many of the founders of the USSR were Jewish? Jews were still stripped of their religion and subject to generalized anti-Semitism. There was nothing "Jewish" about the Soviet state that stripped Jews of their religion. But they weren't murdered simply for being Jewish (typically).

That didn't come until later, in the 1970s. As someone else pointed out, the USSR under Lenin and Stalin had very strict anti-Semitism laws until 1949 or so. I think it's hard to argue there's no Jewish fingerprint on something when they made up <1% of the country's population but constituted maybe a quarter of the communist political elite, and the ideology itself was heavily driven by Jewish intellectuals, and had no qualms about getting their hands bloody.

Again, that doesn't make Stalin a sweet misunderstood emo teen. And, again, nobody even trying to paint a neutral picture here. My whole point, and, it seemed, yours was to examine why Peat would "take another look" at Stalin and not Hitler.

If I understood you correctly, you think it's because Stalin's brutality was somewhat justified, because anti-capitalism is OK, and Hitler's wasn't, because racism isn't, and so Hitler isn't worth re-examining.

I have a much simpler explanation. You might like it. It's not a political argument or a moral argument - to me those are just ex-post socially acceptable rationalizations.

It's because Germany lost WW2 and the USSR won. That's it. The penalty for losing was that the loser's ideology was exterminated and banned worldwide - total war, total defeat. The spoils of winning was continued survival and therefore the continued spread of the victor's values and ideology.

If German generals and troops had succeeded at Stalingrad in '42, then:
- communism dies in Europe
- communist ideology and cultural Marxism almost certainly wiped off the map in Europe
America and fascist Europe eventually on diplomatic terms (negotiated peace, wars don't last for ever), and then far-right influence into American politics and culture rather than Soviet far-left, thus
- a much weakened or even no black Civil Rights Movement
- we wouldn't be reading books that attempt to rehabilitate Stalin's and communism's image, because the books would be banned; but we'd probably be reading such about Hitler
- no SJW campus culture
- no Antifa
- no BLM
etc.

We draw a moral distinction, in hindsight, between the two when I think the reality is that the one side has gotten to live for another 70 years and continue to spread its agenda around the world, while the other side was exterminated. In a nutshell, victors write history.

 

[PxD]

Think about the logistics of conducting a census in a country like Mali with multiple ongoing insurgencies, countries like Nigeria with similar issues and a general lack of stable government institutions outside of cities like Lagos, countries like Somalia with more than one de facto government (i.e. Somaliland). Even in a state that's just beginning to fail like the US there are tons of issues with conducting a truly systematic census, i.e. non-cooperation, technicalities over counting of illegals etc. In Africa and really much of the rest of the world there is simply no way to conduct a census barring simple estimation, and there are plenty of incentives to drastically overestimate. For example, a culture that sees having many kids as a sign of prosperity, a higher number of people and a prospect of a massive starving population incentivizing aid money for you, minorities not wanting to disclose their tenuous demographic state and invite a reckoning (Christians in Nigeria are a good example of this last one). basically, GIGO

FWIW I grew up in South Africa. Every time I go back there I get the feeling the streets are more crowded. There are also ****-tons of illegals there from other African countries now. Every other waiter seems to be from Zimbabwe. I think conducting a thorough census there is virtually impossible because the government really has no idea who is inside of its borders. Do you think the GIGO could work the other way too though, in that it might undercount population due to the simple inability to do the counting very effectively?

On a sidenote, I don't understand how unskilled day-laborers who make up a huge chunk of the population can afford to eat nowadays. 20 years ago, being a maid or a yard worker would pay enough weekly to buy weekly food staples, modest rent, electricity, water. Nowadays it covers maybe 2 days of food. Whatever the true population levels in African countries are, I don't see them doubling and tripling from here. Eat, what? Drink, what? If the calories of energy (wealth) aren't there in the first place, they can't be consumed.