Hi everybody,
a rare anti-peat thread today. I tried posting a book-sized thread yesterday but hit the character limit. It was basically my commentary on another book called "The Chief Culprit - Stalin's Grand Design To Start The Second World War".
I will instead briefly quote Ray twice and comment on those quotes:
"But the communists got to the point where Stalin had stopped the active persecution of religion in the early 1940s because he saw that nearly everyone in Russia was an orthodox true believer. And so he said, what's a socialist party doing persecuting their main supporters? And Putin is following Stalin to that degree. He's using the common concepts natural to his country of spiritual values, honoring traditional morality and speaking in terms involving. He references to God and that really offends like a lot of the so-called Marxists and communists in Russia hate him for that. They want to go back to the old-fashioned persecution of believers and so when he talks in a national ethnic manner they say that means. He's a fascist and wants to, among other things, restore the kind of communism that existed under Stalin and others."
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When saying "in the early 1940s", does Ray mean the summer of 1941? Because he is correct, Stalin did stop the persecution of believers when he declared a "Great Patriotic War". Of course you want support in the broad range of the populace when the attacker, the German Wehrmacht, destroys your best divisions within a couple of days:
en.wikipedia.org
en.wikipedia.org
en.wikipedia.org
Seen below: Ukrainian civilians welcoming German soldiers as liberators in late summer 1941
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The more egregious of Ray's errors lays in a second quote, pertaining to Trotzki and his supposed fooling of western leaders.
Ray said:
"I think Stalin's innovation was to try to placate the outside world. By declaring socialism against world revolution, socialism in one country, and the problem was that the idea of world revolution was supported by the big imperialists of US, Germany, and Japan all were secretly supporting Trotsky. The idea of world revolution is where the extreme anti-Stalin falsifications had to begin.
I link that Prager U video about how horrific communism, Marxism, Stalin and Lenin are. So what what is the. Oh, a good place to start is by looking at a criticism of the major American historians of of of. The Soviet Union or Stalin or Trotsky, we have a falsified history of Trotsky, just as much as of Stalin. Trotsky's connections to the US and Hitler have almost totally been eliminated. But. There is convincing data that he was acting as an agent for Germany and the US way back while he was still in Russia."
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This is simply Ray falling for Stalin's trick. I never thought I'd see that but those familiar with Stalin know how he spent his life fooling people much more intelligent than himself. It is also a classic method of the late dictator, to play a Hegelian game of thesis and antithesis, presenting himself and his idea as a synthesis. In human relations, this plays out as Stalin putting up one side against the other, and then sweeping in over the weakened "survivor". That is how he debated the Mensheviks in Gori, that is how he got rid of Sinoviev and Trotsky. Speaking of Trotsky, what happened to him and what was his role? Ray makes it sound as if the two political heavyweights of bolshevism, Trotsky and Stalin, simply had different goals, but I believe that to be wrong. Ray talks about "world revolution" and "socialism in one country", pertaining to alleged Trotskyist and Stalinist ideological schools respectively, being diametrically opposed and actively conflicting.
But they aren't.
Otherwise Stalin would not have had Trotsky assassinated. Stalin didn't murder his opposition randomly, just for disagreeing with him, and he isn't known to indiscrimantely persecute all those he personally disagrees with. Ray's first quote about Stalin having a "change of mind" regarding religious people proves that. If Stalin did have an irrational paranoia at any time, then why did he not murder Trotsky after winning the internal struggle? And because he did eventually give the assassination order, why did Stalin bother to get rid of Trotsky at all, seeing that Stalin at the time was the undisputed leader of the Soviet Union, and not Trotsky?
Did Stalin’s paranoia increase? No. On the eve and at the very beginning of World WarII, Trotsky presented a clear and imminent danger not only to Stalin, but to the entire Soviet leadership. Trotsky fanatically supported the World Revolution, as Ray acknowledged . Once he realized that it hadfailed in Germany (1918/1919) and throughout the world, he warned that Soviet Russia could not survive encircled by capitalist states. The only hope was to turn Soviet Russia into a military campand use its forces to aid revolutions whenever and wherever an opportunity appeared. Stalin insisted for years that Trotsky was wrong and the Soviet Union first had to build “Socialism in One Country.” The Soviet Union would not export revolution. Then Stalin took more radical measures than Trotsky had proposed to turn the Soviet Union into a military camp. He carried out forced collectivization and industrialization, and built the GULAG camps for forced labor. Under Stalin the Soviet Union became an industrial power and the military base for said World Revolution. Summing up, Trotsky loudly called for the World Communist Revolution. Stalin acted to achieve the same goal, but said that Trotsky’s slogans were wrong. Stalin’s rhetoric was successful and duped Trotsky, who thought he was exposing Stalin when he declared to the world that Stalin had betrayed the cause of Communism and World Revolution. Trotsky did not understand that criticism was necessary for Stalin and was part of his plan. With his accusations, Trotsky dulled the fears of the West that Stalin would actually pursue World Revolution. Trotsky claimed that there was no reason to fear Stalin, that Stalin was “the greatest mediocrity in power,” and that his regime would implode from within. “Stalin’s personal dictatorship clearly nears its sunset,” Trotsky said in November 1931.
Thus, with Trotsky’s dubious endorsement, the West helped Stalin to create a powerful military industry, and to prepare his country and army, by simply leaving it alone, or in the case of the United States, by shipping entire factories overseas! Ray likes to talk about the collaboration between Nazi Germany and the United States but what about the collaboration between the United States and the Soviet Union:
www.jstor.org
Mind you, this was before war had broken out in Europe.
Back to Trotsky:
Trotsky’s opinion had credibility for Western politicians; after all, he had played a keyrole in the revolution, the Civil War, and the establishment of the Red Army. He founded it and was its leader, and engineered its first international use in the war against Poland 1919/1920, the only war the Soviet Union ever lost. Trotsky launched the World Revolution, but he lost power. Stalin, if one believed Trotsky, was not instigating revolution but building socialism in one country, the Soviet Union. Stalin let Trotsky leave the Soviet Union and provided him with publicity around the world. Contact with Trotsky was a standard accusation against so called “enemies of the people” at every political trial in Moscow. Stalin could have called his enemies any number of names, but he stubbornly called them Trotskyites, giving Trotsky additional political weight. If Trotsky had asserted the opposite, if he had said that Stalin was preparing for aggression, if he had warned the West of the dangers of Stalin’s malice, he would have been murdered as early as 1927. Gradually, Trotsky sensed Stalin’s true intentions however.
He said on June 21, 1939:
"Hitler will send his main forces west, and Moscow will want to use the advantages of her position."
That is why Stalin had him murdered. He stopped being an useful idot, a tactic from Stalin's favorite chapter of his favorite playbook.
Everything else and what true Soviet intentions were, you can read about in:
a rare anti-peat thread today. I tried posting a book-sized thread yesterday but hit the character limit. It was basically my commentary on another book called "The Chief Culprit - Stalin's Grand Design To Start The Second World War".
I will instead briefly quote Ray twice and comment on those quotes:
"But the communists got to the point where Stalin had stopped the active persecution of religion in the early 1940s because he saw that nearly everyone in Russia was an orthodox true believer. And so he said, what's a socialist party doing persecuting their main supporters? And Putin is following Stalin to that degree. He's using the common concepts natural to his country of spiritual values, honoring traditional morality and speaking in terms involving. He references to God and that really offends like a lot of the so-called Marxists and communists in Russia hate him for that. They want to go back to the old-fashioned persecution of believers and so when he talks in a national ethnic manner they say that means. He's a fascist and wants to, among other things, restore the kind of communism that existed under Stalin and others."
Source: #80： World War 3 ｜ Heavy Metals ｜ Progesterone for Hair Loss ｜ T3 to T4 Thyroid Ratio with Ray Peat [LDWVtsqEOF0].mp3-transcript.txt
When saying "in the early 1940s", does Ray mean the summer of 1941? Because he is correct, Stalin did stop the persecution of believers when he declared a "Great Patriotic War". Of course you want support in the broad range of the populace when the attacker, the German Wehrmacht, destroys your best divisions within a couple of days:
Battle of Białystok–Minsk - Wikipedia
Battle of Kiev (1941) - Wikipedia
Leningrad strategic defensive - Wikipedia
Seen below: Ukrainian civilians welcoming German soldiers as liberators in late summer 1941
.
The more egregious of Ray's errors lays in a second quote, pertaining to Trotzki and his supposed fooling of western leaders.
Ray said:
"I think Stalin's innovation was to try to placate the outside world. By declaring socialism against world revolution, socialism in one country, and the problem was that the idea of world revolution was supported by the big imperialists of US, Germany, and Japan all were secretly supporting Trotsky. The idea of world revolution is where the extreme anti-Stalin falsifications had to begin.
I link that Prager U video about how horrific communism, Marxism, Stalin and Lenin are. So what what is the. Oh, a good place to start is by looking at a criticism of the major American historians of of of. The Soviet Union or Stalin or Trotsky, we have a falsified history of Trotsky, just as much as of Stalin. Trotsky's connections to the US and Hitler have almost totally been eliminated. But. There is convincing data that he was acting as an agent for Germany and the US way back while he was still in Russia."
Source: #47： The Power Elite ｜ Vaccines ｜ Hair Loss ｜ UFOs ｜ Surviving The Great Reset with Ray Peat, PhD [De0fXmRnunU].mp3-transcript.txt
This is simply Ray falling for Stalin's trick. I never thought I'd see that but those familiar with Stalin know how he spent his life fooling people much more intelligent than himself. It is also a classic method of the late dictator, to play a Hegelian game of thesis and antithesis, presenting himself and his idea as a synthesis. In human relations, this plays out as Stalin putting up one side against the other, and then sweeping in over the weakened "survivor". That is how he debated the Mensheviks in Gori, that is how he got rid of Sinoviev and Trotsky. Speaking of Trotsky, what happened to him and what was his role? Ray makes it sound as if the two political heavyweights of bolshevism, Trotsky and Stalin, simply had different goals, but I believe that to be wrong. Ray talks about "world revolution" and "socialism in one country", pertaining to alleged Trotskyist and Stalinist ideological schools respectively, being diametrically opposed and actively conflicting.
But they aren't.
Otherwise Stalin would not have had Trotsky assassinated. Stalin didn't murder his opposition randomly, just for disagreeing with him, and he isn't known to indiscrimantely persecute all those he personally disagrees with. Ray's first quote about Stalin having a "change of mind" regarding religious people proves that. If Stalin did have an irrational paranoia at any time, then why did he not murder Trotsky after winning the internal struggle? And because he did eventually give the assassination order, why did Stalin bother to get rid of Trotsky at all, seeing that Stalin at the time was the undisputed leader of the Soviet Union, and not Trotsky?
Did Stalin’s paranoia increase? No. On the eve and at the very beginning of World WarII, Trotsky presented a clear and imminent danger not only to Stalin, but to the entire Soviet leadership. Trotsky fanatically supported the World Revolution, as Ray acknowledged . Once he realized that it hadfailed in Germany (1918/1919) and throughout the world, he warned that Soviet Russia could not survive encircled by capitalist states. The only hope was to turn Soviet Russia into a military campand use its forces to aid revolutions whenever and wherever an opportunity appeared. Stalin insisted for years that Trotsky was wrong and the Soviet Union first had to build “Socialism in One Country.” The Soviet Union would not export revolution. Then Stalin took more radical measures than Trotsky had proposed to turn the Soviet Union into a military camp. He carried out forced collectivization and industrialization, and built the GULAG camps for forced labor. Under Stalin the Soviet Union became an industrial power and the military base for said World Revolution. Summing up, Trotsky loudly called for the World Communist Revolution. Stalin acted to achieve the same goal, but said that Trotsky’s slogans were wrong. Stalin’s rhetoric was successful and duped Trotsky, who thought he was exposing Stalin when he declared to the world that Stalin had betrayed the cause of Communism and World Revolution. Trotsky did not understand that criticism was necessary for Stalin and was part of his plan. With his accusations, Trotsky dulled the fears of the West that Stalin would actually pursue World Revolution. Trotsky claimed that there was no reason to fear Stalin, that Stalin was “the greatest mediocrity in power,” and that his regime would implode from within. “Stalin’s personal dictatorship clearly nears its sunset,” Trotsky said in November 1931.
Thus, with Trotsky’s dubious endorsement, the West helped Stalin to create a powerful military industry, and to prepare his country and army, by simply leaving it alone, or in the case of the United States, by shipping entire factories overseas! Ray likes to talk about the collaboration between Nazi Germany and the United States but what about the collaboration between the United States and the Soviet Union:
Technical Assistance of the American Enterprises to the Growth of the Soviet Union, 1929-1933 on JSTOR
Wladimir Naleszkiewicz, Technical Assistance of the American Enterprises to the Growth of the Soviet Union, 1929-1933, The Russian Review, Vol. 25, No. 1 (Jan., 1966), pp. 54-76
www.jstor.org
Mind you, this was before war had broken out in Europe.
Back to Trotsky:
Trotsky’s opinion had credibility for Western politicians; after all, he had played a keyrole in the revolution, the Civil War, and the establishment of the Red Army. He founded it and was its leader, and engineered its first international use in the war against Poland 1919/1920, the only war the Soviet Union ever lost. Trotsky launched the World Revolution, but he lost power. Stalin, if one believed Trotsky, was not instigating revolution but building socialism in one country, the Soviet Union. Stalin let Trotsky leave the Soviet Union and provided him with publicity around the world. Contact with Trotsky was a standard accusation against so called “enemies of the people” at every political trial in Moscow. Stalin could have called his enemies any number of names, but he stubbornly called them Trotskyites, giving Trotsky additional political weight. If Trotsky had asserted the opposite, if he had said that Stalin was preparing for aggression, if he had warned the West of the dangers of Stalin’s malice, he would have been murdered as early as 1927. Gradually, Trotsky sensed Stalin’s true intentions however.
He said on June 21, 1939:
"Hitler will send his main forces west, and Moscow will want to use the advantages of her position."
That is why Stalin had him murdered. He stopped being an useful idot, a tactic from Stalin's favorite chapter of his favorite playbook.
Everything else and what true Soviet intentions were, you can read about in:
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