Ray Peat And Stalinism

[paymanz]

@BigYellowLemon Good that my answer to your replies would be the same, except that I would exclude the first paragraph, so I haven't any reason to hijack more hahaha
@paymanz How a country can be communist? Communistic societies exist, communist country is nonsense
@postman There's lots of communists societies, which did all this?

countries that have a government with communist ideologies.

 

[managing]

I dont "suspect you" of anything other than being either exceptionally stupid or some sort of compulsively lying rat. You can look up "operation lentil" and see that vainakh peoples were targeted BY ETHNICITY. This involved deporting populations to concentration/labor camps and killed a huge % of everyone involved. This is accepted history, not some fringe conspiracy theory. If you really are looking for honest discussion then have the decency to do a little bit of your own research because by god you are annoying. The thing that makes me think minorities were targeted *as minorities* is the openly expressed intention of soviet officials, which you can see for yourself if you just google what I asked you to instead of playing stupid word games.

I'm okay with open discussion, but my current impression is that you're either too lazy to get anything from it or too dumb to learn anything new. If you really want to learn new things or expand your mind prove me wrong and you'll get an apology out of me and more willingness to engage in a way that isnt dismissive or insulting. If you cant, I'll just stop replying and both of us can use our time more effectively

It's very telling that you can't not be belligerent. Some people would say the internet is to blame. I don't know about that.

You are clearly more knowledgeable on the matter of genocide/Stalin than I. Which is why I asked. I wouldn't have even known what to search for. You've now begrudgingly given me a few morsels that I can use. Its very telling that you can't help but think I am arguing with you and pound your chest and insult me preemptively. Whatever makes you feel manly.

Despite your unprovoked belligerence, I'd still be interested in knowing why you think that being half-Jewish (or all) would mean somebody can't be anti-Semitic. If in fact you think that. I've asked twice (thrice now) and you've not confirmed or denied that is what you think.

Anyway, I suppose you won't respond now, because I am clearly too dumb to learn anything new .

 

[snacks]

It's very telling that you can't not be belligerent. Some people would say the internet is to blame. I don't know about that.

You are clearly more knowledgeable on the matter of genocide/Stalin than I. Which is why I asked. I wouldn't have even known what to search for. You've now begrudgingly given me a few morsels that I can use. Its very telling that you can't help but think I am arguing with you and pound your chest and insult me preemptively. Whatever makes you feel manly.

Despite your unprovoked belligerence, I'd still be interested in knowing why you think that being half-Jewish (or all) would mean somebody can't be anti-Semitic. If in fact you think that. I've asked twice (thrice now) and you've not confirmed or denied that is what you think.

Anyway, I suppose you won't respond now, because I am clearly too dumb to learn anything new .

Re: my attitude, you would understand if you used russophone internet. Depending on where you go I'm more on the dialed back side of things

Stalin/genocide, the few morsels I gave you are nothing more than what I initially mentioned (more racial persecution of slavs turning into class/land based under stalin, systemic oppression of balts etc under stalin, forced immigration, forced demographic displacement in Mari El etc.) If I only mention these things tangentially it's because I have an expectation that everyone on this forum knows how to follow leads and would prefer to seek proof themselves.

Re: antisemitism. I'm sure I could be antisemitic I really wanted to be, but I'm not and I dont see the point of litigating whether or not it's technically impossible for someone with jewish ancestry to be antisemitic. It's pointless because it will just end in "I dont hate jews dude" "are you sure?" Its retarded

 

[managing]

Re: my attitude, you would understand if you used russophone internet. Depending on where you go I'm more on the dialed back side of things

Stalin/genocide, the few morsels I gave you are nothing more than what I initially mentioned (more racial persecution of slavs turning into class/land based under stalin, systemic oppression of balts etc under stalin, forced immigration, forced demographic displacement in Mari El etc.) If I only mention these things tangentially it's because I have an expectation that everyone on this forum knows how to follow leads and would prefer to seek proof themselves.

Re: antisemitism. I'm sure I could be antisemitic I really wanted to be, but I'm not and I dont see the point of litigating whether or not it's technically impossible for someone with jewish ancestry to be antisemitic. It's pointless because it will just end in "I dont hate jews dude" "are you sure?" Its retarded

You have plenty of evidence by now that a discussion with me won't go there. But I sense that a conversation without belligerence bores you and I myself am getting tired of having to drag it out of you. Cheers.

 

[snacks]

countries that have a government with communist ideologies.

It's 2020 and people are still doing the "it wasn't real communism" bit

 

[MatheusPN]

countries that have a government with communist ideologies.

There is lots of types of communist ideology. A government saying that to achieve a stateless society through a strong government control is a communist government is like saying that abolishing the market is an capitalist ideology. Laughable hahaha
And @paymanz this country wouldn't be communist, since without communistic actions, with merely some communist hype, words, how can it be?

@snacks Then you know how something can be classified as real communism?

 

[paymanz]

There is lots of types of communist ideology. A government saying that to achieve a stateless society through a strong government control is a communist government is like saying that abolishing the market is an capitalist ideology. Laughable hahaha
And @paymanz this country wouldn't be communist without communistic actions, with merely communist propaganda.

@snacks Then you know how something can be classified as real communism?

the next one will do the same and the next one and the next one....

go find the list of countries ranked by democracy , you then will see what type of government in real world works better.

 

[snacks]

There is lots of types of communist ideology. A government saying that to achieve a stateless society through a strong government control is a communist government is like saying that abolishing the market is an capitalist ideology. Laughable hahaha
And @paymanz this country wouldn't be communist without communistic actions, with merely communist propaganda.

@snacks Then you know how something can be classified as real communism?

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There is lots of types of communist ideology. A government saying that to achieve a stateless society through a strong government control is a communist government is like saying that abolishing the market is an capitalist ideology. Laughable hahaha
And @paymanz this country wouldn't be communist, since without communistic actions, with merely some communist hype, how can it be?

@snacks Then you know how something can be classified as real communism?

I dont think that's a question with an answer lol. I tend to think of dengism, stalinism as different from "real" communism but theres not exactly a hard line from what I can tell

 

[paymanz]

also i found it interesting when peter scheff said today's usa system leans toward socialism and that is what caused some problems. check him on youtube.

 

[MatheusPN]

the next one will do the same and the next one and the next one....

go find the list of countries ranked by democracy , you then will see what type of government in real world works better.

It's funny how in that list, Australia, now a clear dictatorship is in ninith. It's positioned better than countries with lots of direct democracy. Even funnier how a country with an almost complete direct democracy, is among the worst?!?
One of the ten best, is a country where vaccination is mandatory.
Guess who, hated by right-wingers, have a more truer and direct democracy than the US?

@snacks Thanks for the answer, the means to achieve a stateless community are very different.

 

[snacks]

the next one will do the same and the next one and the next one....

go find the list of countries ranked by democracy , you then will see what type of government in real world works better.

Bro the democracy index is published by a newspaper lol

 

[paymanz]

Bro the democracy index is published by a newspaper lol

whats the problem?!

 

[snacks]

whats the problem?!

It would be the same issue as if I were to make "Snack's list of countries coolest to least cool" (while being funded by the US no less) and tried to pass it off as an objective measure of factual information

 

[MatheusPN]

also i found it interesting when peter scheff said today's usa system leans toward socialism and that is what caused some problems. check him on youtube.

I see, then if it's true that the US leans towards socialism, then the US must love to be ****88 up by billionaires or as most here know they leave the worst of capitalism to the poor and the best of socialism to the rich, as in Brazil, socialism only to the elite!
Socialism, self-work management to the deep State of the US

 

[snacks]

I see, then if it's true that the US leans towards socialism, then the US must love to be ****88 up by billionaires or as most here know they leave the worst of capitalism to the poor and the best of socialism to the rich, as in Brazil, socialism only to the elite!

"Brazilification" has been a term used for what's happening to the US for a while now.

 

[paymanz]

Even funnier how a country with an almost complete direct democracy, is among the worst?!?

which country you mean?

mandatory vaccination is your top priority to measure democracy?! you think on lower part of that list if they dont have mandatory vaccination is because they care about people's right to choice?!!

 

[MatheusPN]

"Brazilification" has been a term used for what's happening to the US for a while now.

Savage capitalism at it's best, don't compete, destroy. To compete justly you need some socialism as even Adam Smith understood.

 

[paymanz]

any ideological system will end in dictatorship.

 

[snacks]

any ideological system will end in dictatorship.

What's wrong with dictatorship?

 

[paymanz]

What's wrong with dictatorship?

that type of question is to deep my friend

but seriously, what is wrong about it is that they may kill people for thinking differently , when a dictator is in power and no one cant question him. simple as that.

you really think dictatorship is ok or was that just a philosophical type of question?!