YourUniverse
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I understand your terminology, the difference between the waist or hips/pelvis. I think if these portions of the skeleton can be altered in any way, especially via hormones, I think professional bodybuilders would have found a way to do so by now. Thus, at risk of talking over you once more, and I mean no disrespect, I think Mr. Cutler's approach to be the one to follow, if aesthetics are the goal (and they appear to be the point of the thread).@Herbie - interesting take. First of all, I *am* worried about my hormone levels. Second, I did wonder if it might be / might also be due to narrow rib cage (also a female / feminine trait) as you alluded to with the rib cage exercises.
But both with you and with @YourUniverse , I think we're talking over each other regarding terminology.
You are right when you say "It's ideal for men to have a narrow pelvis because this creates stronger structural integrity for lifting and throwing. All of this visually stimulates our primitive sexual arousal." And this is exactly why I am saying I don't like my hips, and wondering if bones can be influenced in adulthood.
But if you look again, the first guy who you say only teenage girls would like has a very slim pelvis - the muscles above it that add extra width are not the pelvis, they are above the pelvis itself. It is specifically because his pelvis bone is narrow that makes those muscles look even more pronounced, giving the V lines down to the crotch area.
When I say waist - I strictly mean the narrowest point in the space between where your rib cage stops and where your pelvis starts.
And when I say hips / pelvis - I strictly mean the part around your pelvis bone, but before the glutes.
Like this:
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Men's pelvis bones should be as narrow as the waist (or close to). Like this:
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I've deliberately chosen a more gruff, less "pretty-boy" example, rather than the guy in the OP so Herbie doesn't get annoyed
Or this (deliberately chosen a slim / skinny person who still has favorable skeleton shape, to show that muscle size has little to do with this phenomena, it is BONES):
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And on the statue of David - hard to "measure" precisely due to his off-centre pose (note the prominent V lines, yes his right hip is further out, but this is because of his off-centre pose):
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Men should NOT have waist-to-hip ratios like this:
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The above three men with the red lines drawn (Ryan Gosling, the tatooed guy, and myself) obviously do not have hips like the women below. However, they are wider than optimal. Clearly estrogenic structures.
Which was why I asked - can bone structure be changed in adulthood if (and that's a BIG if) we can fix our hormonal profiles to be more androgenic and reduce prolactin, estrogen and inflammatory blood markers?
I don't want to look like a feminized man, with un-masculine bone structure.
As Herbie said, women's pelvis bones are ideally wider than the waist. Like this:
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The first woman clearly has a much bigger butt and a very slim waist, which is highly attractive. But the second woman also has a wonderful shape. The outer obvious features (butt and breasts) are less pronounced in the second woman, but she still has a wonderful feminine bone structure.
Any women reading this might get upset that their bodies don't look like one of the above two. Honestly, for me, I am certainly can be attracted to women that have excess body-fat and no longer have the shape where the waist is slim and the hips are wider. But this is because, like I said in my OP, measurements when overweight are NOT a fair assessment of bone structure and hip size to waist size. You cannot get an accurate measurement of the body mass excluding fat mass of the waist relative to the hip bone if you are overweight - the extra fat will bias the results. This is also why I have used men with low body fat in all of my examples - it's not necessarily because the low body fat is attractive or not (although, usually it is), it is because you can only truly see the difference in bone structures and the ratio between the thinnest part of the waist and the hips when the man is relatively lean.
I'd wager that most men would be more attracted to the skeletons of both the above two women than this woman below:
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