I have decided to stop masturbating

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My contamination OCD centers on my masturbation habit. The only substance I feel icky about is my own semen, and even then only if I ejaculate as a result of masturbation. Nocturnal polutions are fine.

My COCD involves all the usual COCD foibles. Compulsive showering, hand-washing and cleaning? Yes. Occasionally throwing objects away, even objects good and new or old and cherished? Yes. Regarding one's pet and one's mother as contaminated. Thinking that touching contaminated object A and then touching uncontaminated object B will carry the contamination over to B, and that touching recently contaminated B and then as-of-yet uncontaminated C will further expand the realm of filth, and so on indefinitely, until your entire home is a red zone.

I'm so tired of trying to grow used to my own sinfully spilt seed. If I do the deed on a given computer chair and in front of a given laptop and desk, those objects will feel icky to me until I clean them down with a wet cloth followed by a dry one. That is the ritual.

In the first volume of Freud's works he advises a patient to stop masturbating. It turned out that his unspecified mental illness was a result of his masturbation habit. Freud also advised couples undergoing certain mental health problems to stop having sex in certain outré positions.

This all sounds quaint and puritanical today, but maybe he was right? We're living in an age of nigh-unprecedented libertinism, but maybe that's a bad thing. Doesn't everyone today seem to harbor a combo of depression and anxiety? Could these be related to our perverted lifestyles? Let's face it, as far as the old Christian mores are concerned we're all perverts today. I'm reminded of Chesterton's quote that went something like "One may almost say that men only attain sanity when they attain sanctity."

Yes, sanctity. I remember how clean I felt as a child and how magical the world seemed. Going NoFap for extended periods of time seems to bring the magic back. That Christmas magic. Innocence. There's something wonderful about innocence. There's something horrible about lechery. There's another Chesterton quote which can be paraphrased as "For every woman with whom you fornicate the world grows a little drearier."

Whatever, I'm getting carried away. What do you guys think of my plan? Do my ideas make sense? Our parents grew up in the age of rock n roll and hippies and the pill, and we're even more libertine than they are. We live in the age in which every guy masturbates to xvideos and every girl has a dildo in her bedroom. Maybe that's not normal? Maybe masturbation is not ok? Maybe that's the reason so many of us are neurotic these days?

Just do a search on Reddit for "masturbation" and "guilt" and see how many people feel terrible after masturbating. Maybe we really are not meant to be touching ourselves like that.

All I know is I feel better when I stop masturbating, so that's what I'm going to do. It's the only thing that gives me contamination anxiety, and even during the times I managed to overcome this anxiety I still felt bad for masturbating. There's not a single masturbation session I look back on fondly, not a single one that makes me go "now that was worth it." All those countless moments are tinged with a sense of guilt and filth. It's just not worth it. I'd gladly live the rest of my life without doing it.
 

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I remember how clean I felt as a child and how magical the world seemed. Going NoFap for extended periods of time seems to bring the magic back. That Christmas magic. Innocence.
Same here. For better or worse, I haven't found any other way to attain this sense of wonder.

One thing that's helped me do long SR stretches is the 6 Tibetan Rites [redditors provide a nice overview here].

The Rites only take about 10 minutes a day, and they are fantastic for harnessing and transmuting sexual energy.

Best of luck/many blessings with everything!
 

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If you stop objectifying women while doing it, it's possible you could have a release without feeling guilty. I think the guilt comes from porn and imagining porn. But yeah best to just avoid if it necessitates those two acts.

For your OCD have you considered to just tell your anxious thoughts 'whatever'? They will start to go away the more you become indifferent to them. I did this to overcome horrifying intrusive thoughts.
 

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Doctor: "You need to stop masturbating!"
Patient: "Why?"
Doctor: "How else am I supposed to examine you..."

Sorry for my childish humor and non-helpful post...
 

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Don't feel icky about your own cosmic coomshot, boyo. Don't be fooled by the gynocentric slave morality Zeitgeist brought to the world by Christian doctrine. Be a gigamogger and an androcentric coomer. Your coom is your gift to the world.
 
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Same here. For better or worse, I haven't found any other way to attain this sense of wonder.

One thing that's helped me do long SR stretches is the 6 Tibetan Rites [redditors provide a nice overview here].

The Rites only take about 10 minutes a day, and they are fantastic for harnessing and transmuting sexual energy.

Best of luck/many blessings with everything!

Thanks man.
 
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If you stop objectifying women while doing it, it's possible you could have a release without feeling guilty. I think the guilt comes from porn and imagining porn. But yeah best to just avoid if it necessitates those two acts.

For your OCD have you considered to just tell your anxious thoughts 'whatever'? They will start to go away the more you become indifferent to them. I did this to overcome horrifying intrusive thoughts.

Yeah that's the common line in Protestantism, the problem (they say) is you can't do it without lust. I'm more inclined towards the Catholic view, really. It does feel like an "intrinsically disordered" act. When I was a kid and my friend told me what masturbation was I felt sick to my stomach for several hours. It just seemed so wrong.

I have anxious thoughts as well, and I have some methods of dealing with them, but that's a separate issue. Masturbation doesn't cause me anxiety, just guilt and feelings of contamination.
 
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Don't feel icky about your own cosmic coomshot, boyo. Don't be fooled by the gynocentric slave morality Zeitgeist brought to the world by Christian doctrine. Be a gigamogger and an androcentric coomer. Your coom is your gift to the world.

I tried to do exactly that for years. "You know what? I'm gonna be just like every other bro. I'm actually gonna be proud of my cum! Haha f%ck yeah!"

But it didn't work at all. I just felt gross.

As for what you say about Christianity, sure, I've read Nietzsche. But I've also read other things. You ever study exorcisms? You ever wonder why spirits fear the name of Jesus more than any other name? Because that is something I wonder about a lot. It's one of the actual reasons I believe in Christianity. There are many stories of former occultists out there who end up converting to Christianity because from their experience dabbling in the occult they just know that there's something special about Christianity.

(I'm not recommending you dabble in the occult, of course. Those people renounce the occult when they convert to Christianity.)

There's all sorts of more polite apologetic arguments out there, but this kind of stuff is the actual reason I believe Christianity is true.
 
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Listen to Freud

Not random people on the internet
why should he listen to another random that died almost 100 years ago?
 
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why should he listen to another random that died almost 100 years ago?

I've read a bit of Freud. He said some interesting things. Some of them make a lot of sense, actually. The "permissive father -> guilt-ridden son" thing he talked about seems to exactly describe my situation. My father was really permissive, never set any boundaries for me, and I have a major guilt complex.
 

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I think it’s harder to plug into archetypal energies (or libido for Freud) when the psyche is polluted with masochistic guilt, let alone steward such energies when they do manifest, especially during major life transitions and/or hopefully initiations.
 
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Doctor: "You need to stop masturbating!"
Patient: "Why?"
Doctor: "How else am I supposed to examine you..."

Sorry for my childish humor and non-helpful post...

it's ok man
 
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why should he listen to another random that died almost 100 years ago?
You’re right, he should listen to a random that died thirty years ago, Silvan Tomkins.

(de)contamination scripts: shifting massively toward the negative, contamination scripts influence individual social performance. They are ambivalent, plurivalent, resistant to decontamination. They can involve equal density of positive to negative affect, but they “utilize a self-defeating double strategy of both minimizing negative affect and of maximizing positive affect, and so do neither”[5] (p.351). Based on the drive auxiliary disgust, this script class suggest that a person is trying to remove a psychic contaminant when an “impurity is introduced into a life. It may have been good before, or it may have always been bad, but [it] is recognized by the individual as, not a permanent limitation, but an impurity, a contamination”[5] (p.391). Tomkins calls disgust in this context a “disenchantment” response, and he emphasizes “both dis and enchantment”[5] (p.393), attraction and repulsion. Contamination scripts are frequently manifest in nuclear scripts.
 
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You’re right, he should listen to a random that died thirty years ago, Silvan Tomkins.

He seems interesting. I'll look him up.

But I'm not even interested in the psychological mechanism anymore. I'm neurotic about my cum so I'll just stop wanking.

There are people who can't go outside without taking a five hour shower afterwards. There are people who are neurotic about their own piss or ***t. There are people who throw half the food they buy away because they think it's contaminated. Next to them my contamination OCD is not that bad. I just have to stop wanking. NoFap is also good for your hair, isn't it? Win-win.
 

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You’re right, he should listen to a random that died thirty years ago, Silvan Tomkins.
did anyone mentionned silvan tomkins before your comment?i dont know who he is,,i mentionned that freud is as much as a random that anyone on internet,plus he ddidnt have some the valuables perspectives and experiences some of the 2022 internet randoms can offer
 

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Because Freud describes exactly what @buttermilk is talking about, neurotic guilt (masochistic guilt @dilantinoid).


It is worth noting, however, that Freud wasn't particularly interested in curing what he called "perversions," i.e. sexual behaviors that don't fit into the non-incestuous reproductive heterosexual model. He addresses the question of where "perversions" come from in the first essay in Three Essays. Freud is more interested in the problem of NEUROSIS, which he defines as the negative version of perversion. Perversions might be thought of as libidinal drives that may be socially inappropriate (or even illegal), but which get expressed and acted on; neuroses, by contrast, are libidinal drives that get repressed into the unconscious, but which are so powerful that the unconscious has to spend a lot of energy to keep these drives from coming back into consciousness. The effort required to keep such ideas or drives repressed can cause HYSTERIA, PARANOIA, OBSESSION-COMPULSION, and other neurotic disorders.
 

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Because Freud describes exactly what @buttermilk is talking about, neurotic guilt (masochistic guilt @dilantinoid).

thats not what butter milk described,he described being OCD about his own semen,and feeling worst from mastubating,feeling better when he abstain from masturbating,he didnt say that the effort required to keep his urge tu masturbate cause him obsession-compulsion or intensify it,on the contrary.he also did not said that he consider masturbation to be a "perversion"because it does not feat into the non inceous reproductive heterosexual model,he said thats what he feel
 
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It's fine, Nomane. I don't think reSTART's intentions are bad. I actually appreciate the links he's posting. The "Klages on Freud" text looks pretty interesting.
 
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