Help With Erectile Dysfunction

[Elysium]

Men indulging in chronic masturbation is a very modern phenomena.
I think it's one reason why western men are so weak and pathetic nowadays.

Up until 1950 or so, many physicians, not just priests and other religous folks, warned against masturbation.
You can find many monographs on this issue. There is a reason for that.

Wow, what planet are you calling from? Masturbation a new phenomena? Your Earth intel got it all wrong.

 

[Elysium]

But I have been eating less then usual the last months and lost some weight because of that and gotten leaner and eating low carb.

And Bingo was his name-o

 

[PTP]

Kettlebell swings - not Peat approved, but it's helped me. Yoga can also help exercise-wise, I've heard that one of the original designs of yoga was to improve sexual performance.

On masturbation, I'm on the side that less is probably better if you're struggling with ED, and less might mean stopping for a while, 30-90 days - you will become rock hard after that. But, I've been getting in to qigong recently (and thus the traditional chinese medicine that comes with it, though I generally prefer Peat for health related theories), which advocates keeping things flowing (chi flow, but let's leave that and just focus on bodily functions we can currently measure scientifically) - in that world you don't want too much semen flowing out, but neither do you want it all stuck inside you.

Drugswise, I've found that a mixture of pansterone and androsterone worked well for maintaining a strong erection, even after a lot of masturbation, dhp had similar effects - probably due to lowering prolactin levels. I've heard good things about vitamin e, but never noticed much from it myself. Casanova ate 50 oysters a day, but that is a lot of pufa to go with your protein and zinc, and does probably raise the risk of eating a bad one...

 

[Dessert_All_Day]

Men indulging in chronic masturbation is a very modern phenomena.
I think it's one reason why western men are so weak and pathetic nowadays.

Up until 1950 or so, many physicians, not just priests and other religous folks, warned against masturbation.
You can find many monographs on this issue. There is a reason for that.

I think again there are some correlation/causality issues here. Modern men are weak and pathetic because of hormone imbalance and that causes them to lose sex drive, which they may mistakenly attribute to masturbation out of religious guilt/fear/feelings of shame

How do you explain the men that masturbate plenty and have healthy sex drives and aren't weak/pathetic/out of shape/etc

 

[Dessert_All_Day]

This is all true in my experience. Some people will defend masturbation until they're blue in the face.

People are much happier taking a supplement to lower cortisol/prolactin than stop masturbating, which is shown to raise both of these.

That's because we don't believe masturbation is anything except perfectly healthy. I'm skeptical that "porn-induced ED" is even real.

To those of us who have masturbated and used porn for many years and have just as strong (if not stronger) sex drives than when we started as teenagers, NoFap sounds like religious crazy talk and paranoia on the level of dietary sugar as it's viewed by most non-peatarians.

If you can't get it up for the real deal (which should always be effortless and automatic for straight men, even if the woman isn't all that attractive), there are serious issues going on with your most basic biological functioning, and masturbation and porn are the least of your concerns.

 

[Levator]

Have you looked into pelvic floor health (squats etc..)? It sounds like they could be very tensed (wet before being fully hard). I'd guess you have bad masturbation habit (= technique) , try to pay attention to how you breathe and how your pelvic muscles and all your body (abs, legs..) when you fap or have sex. Then if you're dieting , losing weight and eating low carb that could be the main reason

Good point. The latest period before I started to realize that I had erection problems, I masturbated more in a sitting position in order to get a harder and longer erection compared to a standing position.

During the winter I have trained mostly endurance and only 1 strength workout where I do mostly deadlifts.

 

[Levator]

Can I buy the pansterone or DHEA cream without prescription here in the US, Indianapolis?

 

[MyUsernameHere]

I think we need to separate the idea of masturbation and libido here for once, do you not?

Having an amazing libido should intrinsically drive you towards masturbation and there is nothing bad about that, it's just what happens.
Now, when you don't even feel like masturbating for several days straight, that's when you know your libido is CRAP and you should indeed, be worried.
Hell, I am trying to get the urge to masturbate 2-3x daily back, because I am 25, and I only get it maybe once a week, my libido is trash. So are my erections.
That points to a physiological problem.

When not even porn gives you a rock hard and your orgasm feels like ***t, you KNOW you have issues,
and "no-fap" or whatever, is not going to be your solution. So perhaps stop recommending that if we are talking about physiological issues with hormones
or diet, or what have you.

 

[Atman]

Wow, what planet are you calling from? Masturbation a new phenomena? Your Earth intel got it all wrong.

Masturbation as such is not a new phenomena.
The vast majority of men indulging on it on a chronic basis is.

 

[BibleBeliever]

Men indulging in chronic masturbation is a very modern phenomena.
I think it's one reason why western men are so weak and pathetic nowadays.

Up until 1950 or so, many physicians, not just priests and other religous folks, warned against masturbation.
You can find many monographs on this issue. There is a reason for that.

Agreed.
There are many strongmen of old who speak about being fully celibate. I find it enhances work outs greatly, increases that inner rage (which is used for work outs).
Using cold showers is the biggest help.

 

[Sean Ross]

Delay your gratification for a bit by reducing masturbation. Ever noticed the quality of your erection when you haven't masturbated for at least a week? It's very much worth it t wait for.

Stop smoking, if you do, avoid fatty foods and yes, avoid porn for a bit.

 

[JohnA]

That's because we don't believe masturbation is anything except perfectly healthy. I'm skeptical that "porn-induced ED" is even real.

To those of us who have masturbated and used porn for many years and have just as strong (if not stronger) sex drives than when we started as teenagers, NoFap sounds like religious crazy talk and paranoia on the level of dietary sugar as it's viewed by most non-peatarians.

If you can't get it up for the real deal (which should always be effortless and automatic for straight men, even if the woman isn't all that attractive), there are serious issues going on with your most basic biological functioning, and masturbation and porn are the least of your concerns.

Arguing that porn-induced ED is imaginary because you personally don't suffer from porn-induced ED is like me arguing that low metabolism-induced hair loss is imaginary because I don't personally suffer from hair loss. The same underlying condition (low metabolism/ low energy production / low body temps) can manifest itself in a million different ways. Some people get hair loss, some people get ED issues, some people gain weight, some people lose weight, etc.

Even as healthy teens, we've all had times when our erections were stronger than usual. When I was busy and hadn't looked at any sexual imagery for a week, my erections were stronger than when I had already fapped twice earlier in the day. We're trying to help the OP get a strong enough erection that he can stay hard during that awkward time when he or his partner has to interrupt foreplay to grab a condom, rip open the package, put the condom on, etc. This shouldn't be that difficult, but weakened blood flow to the penis is, unfortunately, a low metabolism symptom for some people.

In the medium term, the OP should work to fix the underlying issues. In the near term, we have solid evidence that, when the brain has had a few days to reset its sexual stimulation threshold, it sends more blood to the penis when it finally gets a new sexual stimulus. Why would we not encourage the OP to take immediate steps to make it more likely that he can perform the next time he sees his partner?

I also don't fully buy the argument that, because reproduction is our most important function after survival, ED issues must mean that there are "serious issues going on with your most basic biological functioning." I think it's more like an airplane: Airplanes are incredibly complex machines and malfunctions in relatively minor parts can prevent take-off. If the tires are stuck, you're not taking off even if everything else in the plane is working.

It may be the same with ED. Reproducing is so important that your body will strive to reproduce even when you're not in perfect health. But sometimes there's just some minor "stuck tire" that prevents erections from mechanically occurring. In the case of young adult ED, the "stuck tire" may be low peripheral blood flow. This is why interventions that improve peripheral blood flow, such as Viagra and temperature resets, can so dramatically and quickly improve erection quality without addressing the "serious issues" that we think cause ED.

 

[Dessert_All_Day]

Arguing that porn-induced ED is imaginary because you personally don't suffer from porn-induced ED

I didn't argue that.

is like me arguing that low metabolism-induced hair loss is imaginary because I don't personally suffer from hair loss.

Had that been my argument, your analogy wouldn't hold because unlike hair loss, there's no evidence that "porn-induced ED" exists.

The same underlying condition (low metabolism/ low energy production / low body temps) can manifest itself in a million different ways. Some people get hair loss, some people get ED issues, some people gain weight, some people lose weight, etc.

Our "biological purpose" as men is to reproduce like crazy. ED, unlike the other issues you listed, directly prevents that.

Even as healthy teens, we've all had times when our erections were stronger than usual. When I was busy and hadn't looked at any sexual imagery for a week, my erections were stronger than when I had already fapped twice earlier in the day. We're trying to help the OP get a strong enough erection that he can stay hard during that awkward time when he or his partner has to interrupt foreplay to grab a condom, rip open the package, put the condom on, etc. This shouldn't be that difficult, but weakened blood flow to the penis is, unfortunately, a low metabolism symptom for some people.

I think many other low metabolism symptoms come on before this one. Again, think in terms of evolution: what's the last thing our bodies would allow to happen: anything that directly precludes us from impregnating women. ED (and not weight gain, baldness, digestive disorders, etc.) falls under this category.

In the medium term, the OP should work to fix the underlying issues. In the near term, we have solid evidence that, when the brain has had a few days to reset its sexual stimulation threshold, it sends more blood to the penis when it finally gets a new sexual stimulus. Why would we not encourage the OP to take immediate steps to make it more likely that he can perform the next time he sees his partner?

Nothing, assuming OP's partner never wants to have sex more often than he can perform.

I also don't fully buy the argument that, because reproduction is our most important function after survival, ED issues must mean that there are "serious issues going on with your most basic biological functioning." I think it's more like an airplane: Airplanes are incredibly complex machines and malfunctions in relatively minor parts can prevent take-off. If the tires are stuck, you're not taking off even if everything else in the plane is working.

This analogy doesn't hold though because tires are an easy fix on a plane. ED doesn't sound easy to fix. If it was, I'd think people would be less willing to give up one of life's most pleasurable daily experiences just to somewhat offset its symptoms.

It may be the same with ED. Reproducing is so important that your body will strive to reproduce even when you're not in perfect health. But sometimes there's just some minor "stuck tire" that prevents erections from mechanically occurring. In the case of young adult ED, the "stuck tire" may be low peripheral blood flow. This is why interventions that improve peripheral blood flow, such as Viagra and temperature resets, can so dramatically and quickly improve erection quality without addressing the "serious issues" that we think cause ED.

You seem to be making my point for me: ED is not a minor issue with easy fixes. If it was so easily curable in a way that was sustainable and safe, people wouldn't be so willing to use Viagra and endure its side effects. I'm not saying ED can't ever be fixed, but it seems like many other hormonal and metabolic issues must first be addressed.

 

[REOSIRENS]

Masturbation is tied with addictive behavior

 

[REOSIRENS]

Avoiding masturbation greatly increase testosterone and lowers prolactin...after masturbation prolactin estrogen serotonin are high... Sex is more protective because it is not a lone act and there is an exchange of love that helps activate dopamine one of primary prolactin inhibitors... Body restores testosterone levels faster after sex than masturbation...
Most people who are avid in masturbation suffer from loneliness and addiction and low levels of Gaba (frontal cortex shrinkage)

 

[Dessert_All_Day]

Avoiding masturbation greatly increase testosterone and lowers prolactin...after masturbation prolactin estrogen serotonin are high...

And it promotes relaxation by lowering stress hormones. And it induces pleasure and increases mood. Basically the opposite of what you're describing.

Perhaps the negative effects are only true for those religious or otherwise troubled folks who masturbate and feel guilty/bad about It? Psychology and physiology are complex.

Sex is more protective because it is not a lone act and there is an exchange of love that helps activate dopamine one of primary prolactin inhibitors... Body restores testosterone levels faster after sex than masturbation...

"An exchange of love?" Lol. Can we cut the bull****? If you're gonna say that then you should probably mention the exchange of herpes too.

Most people who are avid in masturbation suffer from loneliness and addiction and low levels of Gaba (frontal cortex shrinkage)

Nah, most people who masturbate a lot probably just have high sex drives and vivid imaginations.

Let's not blame masturbation (and while we're at it, ice cream, marijuana, netflix, books, video games, art and music) for the fact that some people are lonely and/or feeling bad.

 

[Elysium]

Haha, that "exchange of love" is a good one.

 

[Levator]

So I tried a small drop of progesterone cream (source naturals)!and applied it on my scrotoum before I went to bed. I got verny relaxed and sleepy in a good way. During the night I had some sexual dreams and boner. Its two days since I masturbated (and then it was porn-free fapping).

What could this indicate?

 

[JohnA]

I think many other low metabolism symptoms come on before this one. Again, think in terms of evolution: what's the last thing our bodies would allow to happen: anything that directly precludes us from impregnating women. ED (and not weight gain, baldness, digestive disorders, etc.) falls under this category.

I also enjoy looking at this stuff from an evolutionary lens, but the argument that ED is always the last health condition to manifest itself just isn't what we see in the field. You can find guys on paleo / crossfit forums complaining about ED issues despite sporting 6 packs, full heads of hair, and strong athletic performance. I'm not in the NoFap camp, but from my quick perusing of the site, there seems to be a lot of young guys claiming that their health is pretty good other than the ED issues.

You seem to be making my point for me: ED is not a minor issue with easy fixes. If it was so easily curable in a way that was sustainable and safe, people wouldn't be so willing to use Viagra and endure its side effects. I'm not saying ED can't ever be fixed, but it seems like many other hormonal and metabolic issues must first be addressed.

Again, we're just talking about ED in outwardly healthy, 20-30 year olds. In this demographic, the minor issue seems to be low peripheral blood flow. Improved erection strength is one of the most common improvements seen on Ray Peat inspired protocols. Danny Roddy and Matt Stone (and people on this forum) have reported suffering significant ED issues when they were at low body temperatures. Low body temperatures obviously don't cause ED in everyone, but it is a relatively easily addressed factor affecting a lot of people.

Luckily, since reproduction is so important to evolution, ED seems to correct itself relatively quickly on Ray Peat inspired protocols /temperature resets. While it may take months to see noticeable improvements in hair or skin, erection strength seems to improve within a few weeks of people getting their temps up and improving their metabolisms.

The Ray Peat world is full of people who have improved their erection strength. How many people have seriously regrown hair?

 

[JohnA]

So I tried a small drop of progesterone cream (source naturals)!and applied it on my scrotoum before I went to bed. I got verny relaxed and sleepy in a good way. During the night I had some sexual dreams and boner. Its two days since I masturbated (and then it was porn-free fapping).

What could this indicate?

Sounds like progress! I'd continue to lay off the non-partner sexual stimulation and keep focusing on ways to improve my metabolism and temps. Continue eating lots of calories and carbs, lay off strenuous exercise, and stay physically warmer via wearing more clothes and spending some time in a sauna or jacuzzi if possible.