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@Cirion how much weight have you lost so far?
@Cirion okay yeah that's what it kind of seemed like just wanted to be sure. Wrong about what? Thats you don't need a deficit through dieting or exercise to lose weight? Ray and quite a few others have shown that weight gain its due to hypothyroidism and that weight loss will occur when oxidative metabolism is fixed. You're basically saying the same thing just emphasizing specific details. I'm certainly in agreement with this I've lost about 25 pounds now while being very sedentary and eating massive amounts of food (5000-7000 calories). But this was after gaining quite a lot going from a lot of endurance exercise and intermittent fasting to eating pro metabolic.
@Cirion Yeah definitely people knock it all the time here. I see very few people here properly applying the vast myriad of pro metabolic methods that Peat has mentioned (REALLY) diligently and consistently. It certainly takes quite a while for things to normalize and to lose weight... and this is coming from someone who applies these different methods constantly around the clock. But Im sure you'll lose the weight but it will probably take longer than you think. But its a good and significant first step that you stopped gaining WHILE eating the way you do. Often people on here fall back to some degree of caloric restriction to halt their weight loss.
Me - never!people are going to pounce on my answer as "See, you're wrong"
@Cirion agree with your point about maintaining your weight on 4000-5500 being massive. take solace in the fact that if you continue to do things as diligently as you currently are you will keep dropping down in weight while maintaining a high metabolism, down the line youll be lean and with a fast metabolism; the ultimate goal.
I agree, being lean isn't really a good indicator of health. I'm lean, no fat whatsoever and feel like ***t. My tolerance to exercise is also abysmal. A trip to the grocery store leaves me recovering for a couple of days.
As someone with severe ocd, your approach clicks well with me. This organized system really calms me down lol. Hope you figure it all out.
Actually 2 of the points indicate no weight gain.
Also in terms of data science, I don't believe there are enough observations to draw reliable conclusions. Still interesting to surmise from, though.
I'm particularly intrigued by your thoughts on tryptophan preventing weightloss, as many people here use milk/dairy as their main protein source, and many peaters also experience unflattering weightgain. If this is true, that tryptophan heavily promotes serotonin synthesis, then why would it be that so many report getting high temperatures and weight loss from milk, while others do not? @tca300 for example, drinks essentially nothing but milk in his diet, and has been able to lose fat and stay lean.
I drink 2+ gallons of milk every day
I drink 2+ gallons of milk every day, and have for well over a year. Before that I drank 1 gallon every day for several years. Milk has never made me fat. Regular over consumption of calories is what causes fat gain no matter the foods eaten.
I drink 3400+ calories per day from milk, I have many bodybuilder friends who cut to <5% bodyfat regularly on fast food.Nah man that hasn't proven true for me. Over consumption of bad foods causes fat gain. There is generally speaking a caloric threshold at which point fat gain begins with any diet, but this threshold can be increased by picking the right foods. I am sure some people do handle milk better than some others, but I'm starting to think that even the people who seemingly do well on milk could probably increase their caloric threshold higher by not drinking milk. I know Hans has found this to be true. He is one of the healthier forum members here, and even he said milk made him get fatter. From what I've seen around here, the only people drinking milk and not getting fat are probably also restricting calories to 3000 or less, so I'd be curious how many calories you consume. I've long since disproven the basic "CICO" model (which assumes that there is a simple caloric limit for people regardless of macros, micros etc.) from my data gathering considering I have a few 3000 calorie days I gained weight and a few high 4000 to even 5400 calorie days where I lost weight. The last 3 days in a row I've had over 1,000 gram of carb and yet lost weight. I am very eager to get 3-4 more days in a row, to finally put the final nail in the coffin of "CICO" so it can finally die and be buried once and for all.
I drink 3400+ calories per day from milk, I have many bodybuilder friends who cut to <5% bodyfat regularly on fast food.
My job is exactly helping people lose fat. If I didn't know what I was talking about my daughters would be living on the street.
The argument wasn't about healthy metabolism, it was about fat loss. I never claimed fat loss equals better health. I base what I currently believe on evidence, not what I wish to be true. Good luck! I hope you achieve what you set out too.That's good man and clearly it's working for you. BTW I have extensive experience "Cutting" too, in fact getting to <5% bodyfat too, I know virtually all the powerlifting and bodybuilding and fitness lingo, and there's a HUGE difference between losing fat and getting a healthy metabolism. Losing fat can be done in the absence of a healthy metabolism, but a healthy metabolism always results in losing fat. In fact I ruined my health from doing all that "Cutting" nonsense. So I'll just agree to disagree, since I know both of us are entrenched in our belief sets. But stay tuned in a few weeks/months when I have more data which I feel confident is gonna solidify my views =)
The argument wasn't about healthy metabolism, it was about fat loss. I never claimed fat loss equals better health. I base what I currently believe on evidence, not what I wish to be true. Good luck! I hope you achieve what you set out too.
I drink 2+ gallons of milk every day, and have for well over a year. Before that I drank 1 gallon every day for several years. Milk has never made me fat. Regular over consumption of calories is what causes fat gain no matter the foods eaten.