Biofilm Annihilation

[misery guts]

Long story short:

I have had chronic depression and arthritic knee pain since about 14 years of age. I was also fed formula as a child and suspect that I likely have a pretty shitty bacterial population in my gut. After reading around here and the phoenixrising forums, a bit, I've amassed a lot of chemicals more expensive than I can afford, and I intend to take them all over the next week (which I've booked off work).

I was hoping for some advice either on dosing, or timing of these supplements. I will not be eating any food for the duration of this.

My current plan is:

Morning: (aiming to lower gut permeability)

b complex
20g glutamine
3g vit c
500mg reduced glutathione
1200mg tumeric
1500mg colostrum
1g TMG
180mg gamma oryzanol
38mg zinc carnosine
2 capsule of s. boulardii

A few hours later: (aiming to dissolve biofilm)

A shot of apple cider vinegar
1800mg EDTA
400mg Natto Extract
30 drops of kordon methylene blue
pure gum turpentine (yet to work out dose, perhaps a tablespoon?)
500k IUs of serrapeptase

An hour later: (aiming to kill bacteria/fungus)

2(?) small softgel capsules of oregano oil
720mg allicin
200mg doxycycline
powdered ginger (mixed with hot water? not sure of dosage)
powdered ceylon cinnamon (mixed with hot water? not sure of dosage)

An hour later:

4-6 capsules of activated charcoal


Then assuming I'm not dead, I'll repeat this in the evening.
I aim to do this for at least 7 days whilst water fasting. At the end I intend to use a two week course of Elixa probiotic whilst eating mainly rice.

I also intend to add Clostridium Butyricum at some stage. Apparently this feeds on lactic acid, so perhaps I could start this one during the fast/cleanse, as opposed to afterwards?

Well... Any help or suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanks!

 

[EIRE24]

Long story short:

I have had chronic depression and arthritic knee pain since about 14 years of age. I was also fed formula as a child and suspect that I likely have a pretty shitty bacterial population in my gut. After reading around here and the phoenixrising forums, a bit, I've amassed a lot of chemicals more expensive than I can afford, and I intend to take them all over the next week (which I've booked off work).

I was hoping for some advice either on dosing, or timing of these supplements. I will not be eating any food for the duration of this.

My current plan is:

Morning: (aiming to lower gut permeability)

b complex
20g glutamine
3g vit c
500mg reduced glutathione
1200mg tumeric
1500mg colostrum
1g TMG
180mg gamma oryzanol
38mg zinc carnosine
2 capsule of s. boulardii

A few hours later: (aiming to dissolve biofilm)

A shot of apple cider vinegar
1800mg EDTA
400mg Natto Extract
30 drops of kordon methylene blue
pure gum turpentine (yet to work out dose, perhaps a tablespoon?)
500k IUs of serrapeptase

An hour later: (aiming to kill bacteria/fungus)

2(?) small softgel capsules of oregano oil
720mg allicin
200mg doxycycline
powdered ginger (mixed with hot water? not sure of dosage)
powdered ceylon cinnamon (mixed with hot water? not sure of dosage)

An hour later:

4-6 capsules of activated charcoal


Then assuming I'm not dead, I'll repeat this in the evening.
I aim to do this for at least 7 days whilst water fasting. At the end I intend to use a two week course of Elixa probiotic whilst eating mainly rice.

I also intend to add Clostridium Butyricum at some stage. Apparently this feeds on lactic acid, so perhaps I could start this one during the fast/cleanse, as opposed to afterwards?

Well... Any help or suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanks!

Looks good to me. You are throwing the kitchen sink at it haha. Have you had any skin problems with the compromised gut?

 

[misery guts]

Looks good to me. You are throwing the kitchen sink at it haha. Have you had any skin problems with the compromised gut?

Yep! I've had dry skin/dandruff since my twenties (I'm 31). b12/folate resolved it completely for a while, but the effect eventually wore off. In preparation for this week I've spent about 3 weeks in ketosis, with almost zero starch/sugar for any microbes to feed on. It has almost completely resolved my dry skin. Today it's not so good, but I'm hoping that's because I'm having some success breaking down biofilm!

 

[Such_Saturation]

 

[Pointless]

You're insane. Return all that stuff and try bacteriophages.

 

[EIRE24]

Yep! I've had dry skin/dandruff since my twenties (I'm 31). b12/folate resolved it completely for a while, but the effect eventually wore off. In preparation for this week I've spent about 3 weeks in ketosis, with almost zero starch/sugar for any microbes to feed on. It has almost completely resolved my dry skin. Today it's not so good, but I'm hoping that's because I'm having some success breaking down biofilm!

I've also got dry skin, I suspect mine is from low fat diet though and I mean super low fat.

What about apple cider vinegar have you tried that? I've just emailed peat to ask him what he thought about it

 

[whodathunkit]

OMG. Please please please PLEASE DO NOT DO THAT REGIMEN TWICE PER DAY!!

That's A LOT of stuff. I hate to say this because I don't want to sound negative, but ALL of that, especially if used daily, together, has the potential to really tear your guts up. Fast. Two times per day will probably make you very sick, and NOT from die off. You could wind up in the hospital with a hole in your guts.

I found turpentine to be a really powerful biofilm buster. IMO you don't need the natto and serapeptase if you're doing turpentine. I've done all three and turpentine is by far the best for biofilms/mucous, and much more economical than the other two. Plus, any of those substances can cause gut problems if you do too much of them, but all three together...yikes!

Also, ONLY a TEASPOON of turpentine at a time. Standard rec is a teaspoon *a couple times per week*. I did it daily for a while with good effect, but only for a short while. Few weeks at most. Please don't do more than a teaspoon daily for longer than that. It's very potent. Interesting when your poo smells like pine trees, though.

Are you doing straight-up methylene blue out of the bottle? If so I'd dilute to whatever the recommended strength is (I forget but it's easily google-able). 30 drops full strength is probably not necessary and could cause you problems. Especially with the TMG, which is also a methyl donor. I've used both and can feel myself getting jittery and anxious just reading your dosages.

Ginger and cinnamon alone could cause you stomach problems using them together, but especially if you use them with everything else. The abx, methylene blue, and oregano oil will probably take adequate care of the pathogens. Might want to throw some pau d'arco tinture in there for candida, but if not it's still probably adequate.

I don't know much about allicin powder since I haven't used it, but if it has any history at all as a gut irritant (like its parent, garlic), you probably want to skip it.

Also, if you decide to keep the vinegar, make sure to take it with plenty of water.

Just be careful. I would most definitely NOT take your entire regimen 2x/day. Also, cut the things I advise, at minimum. I speak from experience, having used almost everything on your list at one time or other.

Added: I don't think there's really a need for ketosis/low carb when attacking fungi. I didn't go low carb and had great results with a much smaller version of your regimen last summer. There's a school of thought that says that depriving fungi and candida of food just sends them into hibernation in the tissues, making them harder for therapeutics to reach and kill them. This makes sense to me.

There's a book on Amazon called "Candida: Killing So Sweetly" that might be of help to you. There's good info in there, allthough I did disagree with some of it.

Finally: doing all this while water fasting on top of three weeks' ketosis doesn't sound like a good idea. Your liver is a primary route of detox and it needs glycogen to function optimally. You want optimal liver function when detoxing. But it's probably already glycogen depleted, so dumping all these toxins on it (because you're going to get die-off and most of these substances can be toxic in and of themselves, even without any die-off) probably isn't the best way to go. IMO/IME eating lightly and healthily while taking this stuff is more supportive of detox than water fasting. Fresh fruit, light protein, maybe white rice, etc. Small amount of healthy fat.

Good luck. Again, please be very careful. I'm a little afraid for you right now. This is a marathon, not a sprint. When it comes to doing stuff to your gut, less over a longer haul is better. You don't want to cause more problems for yourself. Do some more research on dosages and combining stuff.

 

[kayumochi]

Long story short:

I have had chronic depression and arthritic knee pain since about 14 years of age. I was also fed formula as a child and suspect that I likely have a pretty shitty bacterial population in my gut. After reading around here and the phoenixrising forums, a bit, I've amassed a lot of chemicals more expensive than I can afford, and I intend to take them all over the next week (which I've booked off work).

I was hoping for some advice either on dosing, or timing of these supplements. I will not be eating any food for the duration of this.

My current plan is:

Morning: (aiming to lower gut permeability)

b complex
20g glutamine
3g vit c
500mg reduced glutathione
1200mg tumeric
1500mg colostrum
1g TMG
180mg gamma oryzanol
38mg zinc carnosine
2 capsule of s. boulardii

A few hours later: (aiming to dissolve biofilm)

A shot of apple cider vinegar
1800mg EDTA
400mg Natto Extract
30 drops of kordon methylene blue
pure gum turpentine (yet to work out dose, perhaps a tablespoon?)
500k IUs of serrapeptase

An hour later: (aiming to kill bacteria/fungus)

2(?) small softgel capsules of oregano oil
720mg allicin
200mg doxycycline
powdered ginger (mixed with hot water? not sure of dosage)
powdered ceylon cinnamon (mixed with hot water? not sure of dosage)

An hour later:

4-6 capsules of activated charcoal


Then assuming I'm not dead, I'll repeat this in the evening.
I aim to do this for at least 7 days whilst water fasting. At the end I intend to use a two week course of Elixa probiotic whilst eating mainly rice.

I also intend to add Clostridium Butyricum at some stage. Apparently this feeds on lactic acid, so perhaps I could start this one during the fast/cleanse, as opposed to afterwards?

Well... Any help or suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanks!

I had biofilm from the late 1980's until just a few years ago. I knocked it out with NAC. Why not try that simple remedy first?

N-acetylcysteine as powerful molecule to destroy bacterial biofilms. A systematic review. - PubMed - NCBI

 

[Xisca]

MG I wish you to have to ask for a change of pseudo ! Strong guts?

 

[brix]

I had biofilm from the late 1980's until just a few years ago. I knocked it out with NAC. Why not try that simple remedy first?

N-acetylcysteine as powerful molecule to destroy bacterial biofilms. A systematic review. - PubMed - NCBI

How much NAC were you taking?
What were your symptoms?

 

[kayumochi]

How much NAC were you taking?
What were your symptoms?

Back in the late 1980's I developed a chronic crack on the right corner of my mouth. It was painful and sometimes bled. From time to time both corners were cracked. Other times the cracks simply disappeared but always returned. I never nailed down any dietary changes that would improve the situation. Doctors couldn't help. It just became something I lived with. Then, just a few years ago I began to experiment with resistant starch in the form of unmodified potato starch and the crack(s) began to stay healed for longer periods of time than they ever had before. That is when I knew I was onto something. So I added other forms of resistant starch and other fermentable fibers. And the healing periods got longer. Then I added various "primal" probiotics and the healing improved even more. Later I read about something I had never heard of before, something called a "biofilm" that was disrupted by NAC. Intuitively I knew this was the direction to move. And it was. Healed. Later I read about how Accutane can damage the gut. Well, I took Accutane for a short time just before the cracks began ... My hypothesis is this: the Accutane disrupted the gut biome and created conditions that led to the formation of a biofilm which somehow interfered with my digestion thus causing the cracks. At first I would pound NAC but I don't need to do that anymore. A single pill 2-3 times a week is enough. Sometimes I forget and go quite some time without taking it and a micro-crack appears and NAC always takes care of it. There you are :)

 

[Such_Saturation]

Back in the late 1980's I developed a chronic crack on the right corner of my mouth. It was painful and sometimes bled. From time to time both corners were cracked. Other times the cracks simply disappeared but always returned. I never nailed down any dietary changes that would improve the situation. Doctors couldn't help. It just became something I lived with. Then, just a few years ago I began to experiment with resistant starch in the form of unmodified potato starch and the crack(s) began to stay healed for longer periods of time than they ever had before. That is when I knew I was onto something. So I added other forms of resistant starch and other fermentable fibers. And the healing periods got longer. Then I added various "primal" probiotics and the healing improved even more. Later I read about something I had never heard of before, something called a "biofilm" that was disrupted by NAC. Intuitively I knew this was the direction to move. And it was. Healed. Later I read about how Accutane can damage the gut. Well, I took Accutane for a short time just before the cracks began ... My hypothesis is this: the Accutane disrupted the gut biome and created conditions that led to the formation of a biofilm which somehow interfered with my digestion thus causing the cracks. At first I would pound NAC but I don't need to do that anymore. A single pill 2-3 times a week is enough. Sometimes I forget and go quite some time without taking it and a micro-crack appears and NAC always takes care of it. There you are :)

It's about vitamin A not about biofilms. In fact Accutane is like a messed up form of vitamin A and can cause all kinds of low vitamin A symptoms.

 

[kayumochi]

It's about vitamin A not about biofilms. In fact Accutane is like a messed up form of vitamin A and can cause all kinds of low vitamin A symptoms.

I can accept that hypothesis but how do you explain the resistant starch, fermentable fibers, probiotics and finally NAC with helping and finally solving low vitamin A symptoms?

 

[Such_Saturation]

I can accept that hypothesis but how do you explain the resistant starch, fermentable fibers, probiotics and finally NAC with helping and finally solving low vitamin A symptoms?

There could be vitamin A in those or they might be increasing mucus production there's loads of ways I think. NAC could have been doing something to mitigate the damage from the low vitamin A.

 

[kayumochi]

There could be vitamin A in those or they might be increasing mucus production there's loads of ways I think. NAC could have been doing something to mitigate the damage from the low vitamin A.

thanks

 

[Such_Saturation]

thanks

Does eating liver help it

 

[kayumochi]

Does eating liver help it

I don't know. Next time I see a tiny crack forming after laying off the NAC I will give it a try. But if your hypothesis is correct, I may not need to because recently I have been supplementing with Rentil, the first time ever I have used a Vitamin A supplement.

 

[Such_Saturation]

I don't know. Next time I see a tiny crack forming after laying off the NAC I will give it a try. But if your hypothesis is correct, I may not need to because recently I have been supplementing with Rentil, the first time ever I have used a Vitamin A supplement.

Retinil helped me with painful sores in my mouth. I never got cracks thoigh.

 

[Waynish]

Some cool stuff there. Definitely some stuff that will seriously stress you out if you don't have food/calories in your system though... I just wouldn't want stress to halt your digestion, and therefore reducing transit time. Where did you find collostrum? I want some!

What do you think about a more gradual approach to wearing down the biofilm? If it is indeed a strong biofilm, then maybe a gradual approach is better. Are there some ingredients in here that destroy all films? I reckon due to the robustness of biofilms that it would be more of a mechanical than chemical process...

 

[kayumochi]

Some cool stuff there. Definitely some stuff that will seriously stress you out if you don't have food/calories in your system though... I just wouldn't want stress to halt your digestion, and therefore reducing transit time. Where did you find collostrum? I want some!

What do you think about a more gradual approach to wearing down the biofilm? If it is indeed a strong biofilm, then maybe a gradual approach is better. Are there some ingredients in here that destroy all films? I reckon due to the robustness of biofilms that it would be more of a mechanical than chemical process...

Why not just give NAC as shot? It has been proven to work.