Are Anabolic Steroids That Bad?

[boxers]

I have a place where I think I can get this:
https://kalpapharmaceuticals.com/Injectable+Steroids-sale/primoxyl100-10

They have some kind of license to be authorized seller of that lab. Do you know if they are reputable?

I am not familiar with that one. Honestly im tempted to give primo a try too.

 

[RisingSun]

Well yes it will shut you down like TRT will. True half like is about 7 days. What we read on NANDROLONE is mostly garbage from the bodybuilding community. The old day bodybuilders never used Test. Arnold, Franco,Zane, Robinson all used and many still use Deca. Look at their classic physiques, no bloat, o gyno, no acne..... then look at the later 80 s until now....bloated, acne, gyno surgeries
Etc. I belong to a group that does not use T and the reports are consistent. I am on NANDROLONE only now and working with a T level must over 200 and feel fine.

One is not a replacement for the other.

Whatever compound you use, you always need a dose of testosterone as base to fulfill all physiological functions test usually fulfills.

Nandrolone will not fulfill that role, and its use as a sole and unique replacement will yield to issues in the future.

Your feeling good is only temporary.

Include a minimum of 100mg of test / week ASAP

 

[RisingSun]

I have a place where I think I can get this:
https://kalpapharmaceuticals.com/Injectable+Steroids-sale/primoxyl100-10

They have some kind of license to be authorized seller of that lab. Do you know if they are reputable?

Metenolone = Primobolan = very weak androgen.

You are better of using Proviron

Masteron was good end of the 1990s when the original French lab was still making it

 

[Wagner83]

One is not a replacement for the other.

Whatever compound you use, you always need a dose of testosterone as base to fulfill all physiological functions test usually fulfills.

Nandrolone will not fulfill that role, and its use as a sole and unique replacement will yield to issues in the future.

Your feeling good is only temporary.

Include a minimum of 100mg of test / week ASAP

With respect to our physiology, how does a weekly 100 mg dose matches the rhythm of our body's own production which, afaik, is more like 10 mg a day, and probably not all at once?
https://raypeatforum.com/community/...n-in-small-doses-only.7099/page-2#post-288634

Do you have any experience with dhea and pregnenolone? In your opinion can they be helpful or even dangerous in reasonable doses?

 

[boxers]

So you suggesting test and proviron or var?

What about eq

 

[vulture]

Metenolone = Primobolan = very weak androgen.

You are better of using Proviron

Masteron was good end of the 1990s when the original French lab was still making it

As long as I know both are quiet different compunds...

 

[RisingSun]

As long as I know both are quiet different compunds...

Boxers asked about a compound that would get him shredded and hard, you replied with Primo.

My advice: for the same hardening purpose Proviron is better suited and most of the time real.

They are both used for hardening, Primo being a DHB, Proviron a DHT, very close in their actions.

So no, they are not « quite » different compounds

 

[RisingSun]

With respect to our physiology, how does a weekly 100 mg dose matches the rhythm of our body's own production which, afaik, is more like 10 mg a day, and probably not all at once?
https://raypeatforum.com/community/...n-in-small-doses-only.7099/page-2#post-288634

Do you have any experience with dhea and pregnenolone? In your opinion can they be helpful or even dangerous in reasonable doses?

Yes sure ideally doses of 10mg a day would be ideal.

First of, that’s with pure test, because when I say 100mg/week I factor in the weight of the esther, which is 30mg for enanthate.
So with 100mg injections of enanthate you are left with 70mg of pure test.

Second, most pharmaceutical test in Europe comes in ampoules, not vials. You can’t store your broken ampoule for more than one injection, that’s why most inject it at once.
If you are in the USA and have access to vials, you could do an everday schedule.
Except you would poke the vial more than 100 times total with an everyday schedule, which is way over the threshold to keep that vial sterile.

For an everday schedule, you are better of with testogel.

So yes, most of the protocols don’t match the natural biological test production rythm.
Does that mean we should forget about test alltogether?

It fulfills ESSENTIAL functions that NO OTHER AAS is capable of fulfilling, so even an irregular schedule is better than no injection at all

 

[olive]

One is not a replacement for the other.

Whatever compound you use, you always need a dose of testosterone as base to fulfill all physiological functions test usually fulfills.

Nandrolone will not fulfill that role, and its use as a sole and unique replacement will yield to issues in the future.

Your feeling good is only temporary.

Include a minimum of 100mg of test / week ASAP

This is dogma. Nandrolone is a perfectly good replacement and is used in a medical setting regularly without side effects.
Do some research and stop repeating the same old dogma steroid users yell at the top of their lungs with no research to back up their claims.
I've been running 350mg nandrolone per week (no testosterone) for over 6 months with zero side effects.

 

[RisingSun]

This is dogma. Nandrolone is a perfectly good replacement and is used in a medical setting regularly without side effects.
Do some research and stop repeating the same old dogma steroid users yell at the top of their lungs with no research to back up their claims.
I've been running 350mg nandrolone per week (no testosterone) for over 6 months with zero side effects.

I’m past the dogma, I’m a certified endocrinologist.

What I’m stating is the result of research.

Bodybuilder forums are often right too

 

[boxers]

This is dogma. Nandrolone is a perfectly good replacement and is used in a medical setting regularly without side effects.
Do some research and stop repeating the same old dogma steroid users yell at the top of their lungs with no research to back up their claims.
I've been running 350mg nandrolone per week (no testosterone) for over 6 months with zero side effects.

Thas very interesting... are you located in the states?

Im most interested in test and proviron or var,
Possibly nand. Primo. Eq, But more so for education. I doubt id take anything because of the lack of reputable sources and getting fakes

 

[vulture]

Boxers asked about a compound that would get him shredded and hard, you replied with Primo.

My advice: for the same hardening purpose Proviron is better suited and most of the time real.

They are both used for hardening, Primo being a DHB, Proviron a DHT, very close in their actions.

So no, they are not « quite » different compounds

As far as I know there's a greater anabolic action on Primobolan, which Mesterolone lacks, and I think maybe Primo would be more supressive and have a lot less androgenic effects.

 

[RisingSun]

As far as I know there's a greater anabolic action on Primobolan, which Mesterolone lacks, and I think maybe Primo would be more supressive and have a lot less androgenic effects.

And how do you « know »?

 

[Arrade]

Yes sure ideally doses of 10mg a day would be ideal.

First of, that’s with pure test, because when I say 100mg/week I factor in the weight of the esther, which is 30mg for enanthate.
So with 100mg injections of enanthate you are left with 70mg of pure test.

Second, most pharmaceutical test in Europe comes in ampoules, not vials. You can’t store your broken ampoule for more than one injection, that’s why most inject it at once.
If you are in the USA and have access to vials, you could do an everday schedule.
Except you would poke the vial more than 100 times total with an everyday schedule, which is way over the threshold to keep that vial sterile.

For an everday schedule, you are better of with testogel.

So yes, most of the protocols don’t match the natural biological test production rythm.
Does that mean we should forget about test alltogether?

It fulfills ESSENTIAL functions that NO OTHER AAS is capable of fulfilling, so even an irregular schedule is better than no injection at all

ah, one of the few members that bring real knowledge

 

[TreasureVibe]

There was a Dutch tv show in which the host was going to try illegal steroids for bodybuilding for a magazine cover photoshoot, and he brought vials of steroids that he bought from some pumped up guy at the gym to a laboratory. Not ONE of the vials that he brought in contained only what was stated on the label. Some didn't even contain that which was stated on the label.

He still proceeded on using them anyways. I don't know how it ended with the guy, but I do know that I tried steroids myself and because I was lazy and just didn't work out while on them, my tissues got loaded with estrogen and now my metabolism and overall health is down the toilet, still, 3 years later. Still am working on recovering. Part of the reason I came here.

Here is the full second episode after the first episode where he started, with english subtitles, you have to turn them on with the button in the lower right corner. He visits a andrology clinic where doctors also give interesting information to him and examine him, including checking the size of the testes. Sadly this is not the first episode where the laboratory footage was shown:

 

[boxers]

That doesnt surprise me he was getting fakes, there are good sources out there though

 

[boxers]

Why did steroids cause your problems? What do you think went wrong? What were you using at what dosages, proper pct, proper AI?

 

[TreasureVibe]

Why did steroids cause your problems? What did you do wrong?

I had a bad metabolism before I even started. My liver was also already compromised due to a past of methotrexate injections in childhood for sJIA, and lots of alcohol drinking, weed smoking, cigarette smoking and alot of PUFA junk food on forehand. Also my cycle doses were way too big. Either 150 or 250 mg of testosterone enanthate injected once every week subcutanously. Plus dianabol pills everyday. And here's the biggest mistake: I didn't even work out during the cycle, I was just chilling, sitting around, enjoying the effects of high T, and occasionally doing some exercises like bench pressing. Afterwards, the post cycle therapy was a joke. Tamoxifen (aka nolvadex) for 4 weeks. With all the knowledge I have now through Ray Peat and this forum, I see what a joke that PCT was.

So afterwards, I developed a varicocele and my energy and metabolism and sexual performance dropped. I already had low T levels and late onset of puberty before that so this only made things worse. I became estrogenic, and the estrogen collected in all of my tissues. 3 years later I am still trying to recover from this.

 

[boxers]

Thats interesting, hopefully you can recover. This why i may never try them.

 

[boxers]

As far as I know there's a greater anabolic action on Primobolan, which Mesterolone lacks, and I think maybe Primo would be more supressive and have a lot less androgenic

is there anything that would fit into peat principles ?