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are we there yet ?

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are we there yet ?

are we there yet ?

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shorter sleep is good.

It's a good sign. Just get up and go about your day. Take a nap if you want.

Eventually things will stabilize but this is a GOOD thing.

depends I guess, if you go from 11 to 9 hours sleep, that seems like a good sign.

but going from 7 hours sleep to 5 hours sleep, I wouldn't it call it a good thing
 
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depends I guess, if you go from 11 to 9 hours sleep, that seems like a good sign.

but going from 7 hours sleep to 5 hours sleep, I wouldn't it call it a good thing

it has been for me. As health improves you need less sleep in my experience.
 

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shorter sleep is good.

It's a good sign. Just get up and go about your day. Take a nap if you want.

Eventually things will stabilize but this is a GOOD thing.

For me, if i wake up say 5am instead of 7am, I know it's stress related generally. If you are more or equally restored from less sleep, then yes it's a good sign.
 

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I definitely feel restored and energetic bUT I went from 8 hrs to 6 hrs of sleep. I was getting a lot of deep long quality sleep (nothing crazier than usual my sleep was alreadt good but noticeable effects) first few days of 11 keto.
 

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Anybody experience effect wearing off at same dosage? Little to no effects noticed at same dosage.

I take couple drops daily. It has a long half life, maybe it added up in system and lowered estrogen too much?
 

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How to differentiate possible suppression vs low estrogen?

Also aside from joint pain how to tell low estrogen?
 

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So.. used 4mg for 3 days on subjects with no noticeable effects except peristalsis was very prevalent.

4 day used 4mg 11-Keto along with:
10mg Androsterone (direct to scrotum)
2 drops oxidal
150mg Niacinimide (in 6oz coffee)

One hour later temperature was up as well as heart rate. Only effects so far.
 

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So.. used 4mg for 3 days on subjects with no noticeable effects except peristalsis was very prevalent.

4 day used 4mg 11-Keto along with:
10mg Androsterone (direct to scrotum)
2 drops oxidal
150mg Niacinimide (in 6oz coffee)

One hour later temperature was up as well as heart rate. Only effects so far.
That seems like a lot to use together. Warming should be seen with much less Androsterone. Especially I find if applied on the old ball bags.

With regards to the peristalsis did you notice faster or slower?
 

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+1 on the decreased appetite.

11 keto seems to decrease it a little while androsterone increases it.
 

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That seems like a lot to use together. Warming should be seen with much less Androsterone. Especially I find if applied on the old ball bags.

With regards to the peristalsis did you notice faster or slower?

It works fine for me.

Peristalsis has been more consistent. As I hear the gastric juices flowing better.
 

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It works fine for me.
Im sure it does. Im just saying you could potentially get the same effect with much less. How did you arrive at these dosages?

Peristalsis has been more consistent. As I hear the gastric juices flowing better.
faster bowel transit? MORE POOP!?!?! :):
 

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Im sure it does. Im just saying you could potentially get the same effect with much less. How did you arrive at these dosages?


faster bowel transit? MORE POOP!?!?! :)

I tried out a few dose quanties and landed on that. Yeah more times on the toilet and volume of poop. But not sure if it is from the 11-keto
 
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