When Peating Is Not Ideal

[Rickyman]

It seems to me that the whole peat philosophy is
About reducing cortisol, so this would not be ideal for those actaully trying
to increase cortisol because of already low cortisol issues.


Any ideas on how to go about this or if anyone had found a good solution.

Seems everything offered in the forum is for high cortisol folks.

 

[Westside PUFAs]

"The unifying principle of Ray Peat, PhD’s work in FPS’ opinion is that energy production from cellular respiration/metabolism allows for structure and function of cells to be optimized, and this improved structure and function promotes continued high energy output as well as the production of protective steroid hormones and carbon dioxide. Anything that interferes with energy production has opposing effects, slowing energy output, the consumption of oxygen, and the production of protective hormones and carbon dioxide. The ability to produce energy is at the center of health v. non health, youth v. aging, etc."

"I feel that Dr. Peat’s most important nutritional principles are to choose clean, nutritious, and historically relevant foods that are low in phytoestrogens, goitrogens, and polyunsaturated fats and have minimal contaminants (like carrageenan) or preservatives." -fps

 

[Xisca]

@Rickyman what makes you think this?

 

[lollipop]

"The unifying principle of Ray Peat, PhD’s work in FPS’ opinion is that energy production from cellular respiration/metabolism allows for structure and function of cells to be optimized, and this improved structure and function promotes continued high energy output as well as the production of protective steroid hormones and carbon dioxide. Anything that interferes with energy production has opposing effects, slowing energy output, the consumption of oxygen, and the production of protective hormones and carbon dioxide. The ability to produce energy is at the center of health v. non health, youth v. aging, etc."

"I feel that Dr. Peat’s most important nutritional principles are to choose clean, nutritious, and historically relevant foods that are low in phytoestrogens, goitrogens, and polyunsaturated fats and have minimal contaminants (like carrageenan) or preservatives." -fps

+1 Good quote @Westside PUFAs

 

[mayweatherking]

why is low cortisol a problem?

 

[Tarmander]

Peats stuff works but not for small stuff. "I am trying to raise low cortisol," is a crappy small goal that I'm guessing some MD or ND staring at blood tests gave you.

Extrapolate it out. Why do you want higher cortisol, because you probably feel tired and burnt out and your adrenals have tapped out. Okay so you have a stress problem: "I want to lower stress." That's a better goal. You can look at food and all the things causing stress.

But keep going. I am stressed because whatever I am doing I have to force and strain to get done. So I am not aligned with the life I am living. "I need to change my life so it is aligned inside and out...so it provides meaning and I don't have to feel forced." K so how do you do that?

Then you start getting into how to live, how to be creative, where to live and how to eat and sex and breathe.

See peat can help with that.

 

[Rickyman]

why is low cortisol a problem?

Adrenal exhaustion, low cortisol at this stage does not allow you to do normal daily activities.


I appreciate the feedback @westsidepufa @Xisca
Well sugar will only lower cortisol more.
I been peating for a while now and it just doesn't seem to be working,.

I understand what @westside is saying about cellular energy but isn't sugar going to be just exhausting the adrenals more?

I mean I can barely go an hour and 10-20min without eating waking up several times at night to snack . Been over 1 1/2 peating and I am thinking I wnt wrong somehere,

II usually always try to keep carbs >protein
Protein > fat

I haven't logged my ratios in a long time but honestly much diet has been the same and I can pretty much eyeball it by now.

Maybe some body types do better with other ways of eating.
But I can't do high fat because of a weak gallbladder,

 

[Rickyman]

Peats stuff works but not for small stuff. "I am trying to raise low cortisol," is a crappy small goal that I'm guessing some MD or ND staring at blood tests gave you.

Extrapolate it out. Why do you want higher cortisol, because you probably feel tired and burnt out and your adrenals have tapped out. Okay so you have a stress problem: "I want to lower stress." That's a better goal. You can look at food and all the things causing stress.

But keep going. I am stressed because whatever I am doing I have to force and strain to get done. So I am not aligned with the life I am living. "I need to change my life so it is aligned inside and out...so it provides meaning and I don't have to feel forced." K so how do you do that?

Then you start getting into how to live, how to be creative, where to live and how to eat and sex and breathe.

See peat can help with that.

Thank you, I understand that. Maybe I'm screwed. I can't leave my job since I am homebound (work from home) I don't have fam support.

Maybe that is the missing puzzle. idk

But thnks for your input I did not see it that way

 

[Tarmander]

Thank you, I understand that. Maybe I'm screwed. I can't leave my job since I am homebound (work from home) I don't have fam support.

Maybe that is the missing puzzle. idk

But thnks for your input I did not see it that way

No prob!

I have not really seen a person who is sick without a sick lifestyle, at least in modern societies where you get some choices. It really is a rabbit hole though, but thankfully it's just one small step at a time. What I have found Peat does is he shows the stresses, and once you can take care of those(which may take years), you can use CO2 and thyroid for rebirth. It should be a large change. Just raising your cortisol on a test without any other changes...doubtful it'll help in the long run. Good luck! Would be happy to give specifics if you want to flesh out what your dealing with.

 

[Rickyman]

No prob!

I have not really seen a person who is sick without a sick lifestyle, at least in modern societies where you get some choices. It really is a rabbit hole though, but thankfully it's just one small step at a time. What I have found Peat does is he shows the stresses, and once you can take care of those(which may take years), you can use CO2 and thyroid for rebirth. It should be a large change. Just raising your cortisol on a test without any other changes...doubtful it'll help in the long run. Good luck! Would be happy to give specifics if you want to flesh out what your dealing with.

Yeah certainly. I'll spill the beans whatever you info you need. Let me me know what you need pm`s or here

 

[Tarmander]

Yeah certainly. I'll spill the beans whatever you info you need. Let me me know what you need pm`s or here

Where ever you are most comfortable. On here you can get more people's input which is sometimes good . Otherwise you can PM me. Tell us like the top three things you are struggling the most with.

 

[raypeatclips]

I am also struggling with the need to eat very frequently, would be interested in people's thoughts on that.

 

[Xisca]

Maybe some body types do better with other ways of eating.
But I can't do high fat because of a weak gallbladder,

Yes you can go fat up, I have done a topic with my mayo recipes! Mayonnaise is doing what bile does: emulsify it. Of course PUFA free fresh and home made, olive oil and coconut oil work, and go for chocolate mousse! That's with butter and egg for emulsifying.

And about sugar, of course we might have up and downs for one reason or two, lack of fiber, and lack of mix with good fat and protein, to slow down sugar rise in blood.

 

[Rickyman]

Where ever you are most comfortable. On here you can get more people's input which is sometimes good . Otherwise you can PM me. Tell us like the top three things you are struggling the most with.

1) Top of the list would be the constant upper right abdominal pain that reaches back to shoulder blade, been that way for 2yrs now, scans do not show stones in the gallbladder though.

2) heat intolerance, can barely get by 75 degree weather including direct sunlight exposure, makes me feel horrible worsens my current state.

3) Blood sugar disregulation, can't go past 1hr to 1hr 15min withough food or I'll have a panic episode, cold hand, ft, untip I eat something balanced.

BTW my issues began yrs back, a GI specialist told me he believed I had IBS and I did not have any of the above issues
But I could do normal daily activities unlike now. Just frequent bowels and anxiety.

@Xisca thanks I'll read up on your thread because now I'm confused when you say mayo is doing what bile does, I thought mayo was fat and needs bile to break it down.

 

[charlie]

"If your thyroid is working efficiently, your pituitary doesn't have much to do and you're not likely to get a pituitary tumor, your adrenals don't have much to do, and your ovaries don't get over stimulated. The other glands have an easy job when your thyroid is working right. If your thyroid gets interfered with, you have to rev up your adrenals and your pituitary becomes commander in chief and tells everyone what to do." - Ray Peat

 

[Rickyman]

"If your thyroid is working efficiently, your pituitary doesn't have much to do and you're not likely to get a pituitary tumor, your adrenals don't have much to do, and your ovaries don't get over stimulated. The other glands have an easy job when your thyroid is working right. If your thyroid gets interfered with, you have to rev up your adrenals and your pituitary becomes commander in chief and tells everyone what to do." - Ray Peat

Sounds like thyroid plays a huge role, but the MD did not say anything about me having thyroid issues, i've seen many of Ray Peats videos do you know the title of the one from your quote perhaps I need to revisit.

 

[Xisca]

About your lab, a grain of salt, as I am not very experienced, just that you have something in common with my labs.
Your T4 is quite fine, but your T3 is real low! Lower than mine.
Points to liver having hard time convert T4 to T3.

 

[Xisca]

Even in the normal range, it is in the lower part, and T4 is not that low, this is what counts I think, T4 is of no use if you convert it badly, and even T4 can accumulate and this is not good at all. That is what happens to people that do not do fine with a T4 prescription.

1) Top of the list would be the constant upper right abdominal pain that reaches back to shoulder blade, been that way for 2yrs now, scans do not show stones in the gallbladder though.

If they scanned, then they suspected it was form your gall bladder...
But you can have mere spasms!
When I had some problems, I was told it came from my nerves, and also told me to avoid fats.
You can use plants that are regulating this, but I cannot advise, as it must be targeted. Where I live I have pazote, they use it in Mexico, a chenopodium plant that is even given to children when they vomit with an upset stomach.

@Xisca thanks I'll read up on your thread because now I'm confused when you say mayo is doing what bile does, I thought mayo was fat and needs bile to break it down.

Mayo is already emulsified, thanks to the egg!
So many people who do not tolerate fat told me that they were indeed and surprisingly fine with mayo! For example better than butter to eat potatoes! What counts is with what fat the mayo is made, so no way, do not buy it but make it... And a chocolate mousse has emulsified butter, thanks to the egg yolk.

What helped me a lot was to do the hulda clark bug cleans, I could lower my food intake, as if I had no more parasites eating most of my food... That is why I have just done it a second time, but I notice much less, so I was already fine, or not as bad as a few years ago.

 

[Tarmander]

1) Top of the list would be the constant upper right abdominal pain that reaches back to shoulder blade, been that way for 2yrs now, scans do not show stones in the gallbladder though.

2) heat intolerance, can barely get by 75 degree weather including direct sunlight exposure, makes me feel horrible worsens my current state.

3) Blood sugar disregulation, can't go past 1hr to 1hr 15min withough food or I'll have a panic episode, cold hand, ft, untip I eat something balanced.

BTW my issues began yrs back, a GI specialist told me he believed I had IBS and I did not have any of the above issues
But I could do normal daily activities unlike now. Just frequent bowels and anxiety.

@Xisca thanks I'll read up on your thread because now I'm confused when you say mayo is doing what bile does, I thought mayo was fat and needs bile to break it down.

That pain is very concerning. Stomach pain that is radiating...sounds like a kind of acute scenario. From your labs, are you getting flu shots? If so I would look a bit more at the science behind their effectiveness, and reconsider.

As for your second two points, both are somewhat related in my mind. Temperature intolerance increases the weaker you become. I am guessing heat speeds you up and in your depleted state you just can't handle it. I also had the issue where I had to eat every 2 hours or so. I found most supplements did not help until I got on thyroid.

There are posts about increasing liver glycogen, you could check those out, but they did not get me much mileage (taurine, caffeine, etc). It was thyroid pills that finally started to give me some flexibility in meal timing and sometimes going a little longer without food.

The thing is, it basically sounds like liver problems. But everyone on here has liver problems, and there are 1000s of liver cleansing protocols. You could pick one and try it, but in your depleted state, I do not have much faith that it will give you long term results. My experience has been that liver cleansing does not work when you are in an excited state. When you are running off your adrenals and kidneys, the liver can get rid of its crap on a cleanse, but then it just gunks up again after you stop cleansing.

So why is your life so depleting? Why are you so drained? Is family calling you every day and dragging you down? Do you have a significant other who puts you down all the time and makes demands that you can't win at no matter which way you go? Do you live under cell towers and have EMF bombarding you all the time? Are you eating super flavorful food and at restaurants a lot? Is work demanding 70 hours of work a week? What does your life look like?

 

[Rickyman]

That pain is very concerning. Stomach pain that is radiating...sounds like a kind of acute scenario. From your labs, are you getting flu shots? If so I would look a bit more at the science behind their effectiveness, and reconsider.

As for your second two points, both are somewhat related in my mind. Temperature intolerance increases the weaker you become. I am guessing heat speeds you up and in your depleted state you just can't handle it. I also had the issue where I had to eat every 2 hours or so. I found most supplements did not help until I got on thyroid.

There are posts about increasing liver glycogen, you could check those out, but they did not get me much mileage (taurine, caffeine, etc). It was thyroid pills that finally started to give me some flexibility in meal timing and sometimes going a little longer without food.

The thing is, it basically sounds like liver problems. But everyone on here has liver problems, and there are 1000s of liver cleansing protocols. You could pick one and try it, but in your depleted state, I do not have much faith that it will give you long term results. My experience has been that liver cleansing does not work when you are in an excited state. When you are running off your adrenals and kidneys, the liver can get rid of its crap on a cleanse, but then it just gunks up again after you stop cleansing.

So why is your life so depleting? Why are you so drained? Is family calling you every day and dragging you down? Do you have a significant other who puts you down all the time and makes demands that you can't win at no matter which way you go? Do you live under cell towers and have EMF bombarding you all the time? Are you eating super flavorful food and at restaurants a lot? Is work demanding 70 hours of work a week? What does your life look like?

I've been to checked plenty of times about this pain that comes and goes and they never find anything. It's ridiculous.

It's there some days other days its gone and comes back. Idk.

They think it's spasms.

I will look into glycogen storage threads.


A lot was going on when ***t wnt south.
I had realized I was in a cult (Jehova witnesses ) and it completely blew my mind I was actually feeling sick from findin out it was a blow to my reality.

I think was a big part of all this but this was in 2014.
I will write more soon sry