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Low-protein High-carb Diet Has The Same Benefits As Caloric Restriction

Discussion in 'Scientific Studies' started by haidut, Nov 26, 2018.

  1. JustAGuy

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    I doubt there is anything wrong with my liver since I felt completely fine. Fruit didn’t satiate me at all though. Yes I was eating above my needs, but you said “2-3%” ends up as fat. Well with my experiment it was more like 100% of the excess ends up as fat. Similarly there are tons of people who try unlimited fruitarian eating methods who actually end up gaining weight quickly, so no matter what your papers say in practice it’s just not the case of only 2-3% being turned into fat. Why don’t you just eat 6000 kcal worth of fruit with some protein daily to get at peak health?
     
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    I’d say 10-20% of my calories were juice, I ate mostly massive 10 lbs watermelons and huge papayas. Also as said above many do get fat eating a fruitarian diet (those who just gorge to appetite). Losing weight on a fruitarian diet is easy because the hunger is not a hunger that hinders performance, you still have energy on that diet you’re just hungry. I just wanted to test if all those theories about fructose not going to fat were true and it totally wasn’t in my case, nor in the case of many others you can read online. Would’ve been easy if it was because I don’t have a problem with eating 0 fat, so I could’ve just eaten 5000 kcal of sugar daily if this worked but it didn’t.

    I will test the overfeeding again in like 2 months eating only glucose this time around.
     
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    I see what you're saying but you always should prioritize foods that satiate you. Fruits have been modified and cross bred extensively. So I can get that guys who eat tons of fruit end up getting fat, but this is mostly going to come from the glucose that they pack. Fructose just doesn't convert to fat as per the isotope study. This is where the "2-3%" figure comes from by the way. From fructose. You got fat because of a caloric surplus achieved from eating large amounts of fruit that are loaded with glucose.

    Regarding satiation, I think that a way of eating inspired by the Warrior Diet is going to feel satisfying. Snack on fruits, eggs, nuts, seeds through the day. Eat a large protein (and fat) meal at night. Thrive.

    I don't think that's wise at all...
     
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    I was under the impression that glucose has a harder time being converted to fat than fructose ?
    Also I don’t see how fructose, which is converted for 50% to glucose as you stated before, wouldn’t be turned into fat or why it even matters, since you can’t have a fructose only diet.

    I am just saying that some people here claim you can eat tons of sugar from like cola and not have it convert to fat, which simply isn’t true as I have tested on myself and so many people report on other forums.
     
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    Honestly, I feel like fructose should be balanced with glucose on approximately a 1:1 ratio. I have seen this idea verified in many places and many people. And in my personal experience, fructose alone makes me feel off, or fructose in too high of a quantity. My feeling is that fructose is effective at stimulating the metabolic rate, but not really so great at "storing" energy (glycogen), at least for me anyway. As such I find it effective to eat an apple if I'm feeling sluggish, and in the morning it's great to get things started, kinda like caffeine, but I find my energy levels / mood / temps drop quickly if I don't supply a good amount of glucose with it. Fructose absolutely has a purpose in the diet, but I think many are guilty of going overboard with it (myself included lol). You can probably get by with mostly fruit and little to no starch, but only if most of the fruit you have is 1:1 fructose/glucose (so focusing more on things like oranges, bananas, grapes, apricots).

    So disregarding the whole fructose or glucose stores fat better, I feel like energy is better spent (pun not really intended) focusing on how to balance them such you feel better in the long run.
     
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    Well in nature fructose doesn't exist without glucose, and the opposite is pretty rarely true. Until we came up with agriculture, that is.

    Oh I have to say I'm baffled by such a belief. I'll have to read those isotope studies again and see what the methodology was. What I firmly believe is that we can't do anything that obviously exceeds our liver's capacity for glycogen uptake and use. So, tons of sugar, pop, modern GMO fruit etc.
     
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    I remember reading a post from haidut a while back where he was talking about taking cypro. He said he ate high protein to combat cyrpo's weight gain side effects. I thought he said he did this because higher protein generally leads to a leaner body
     
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    Here's what I don't get, if denovo lipogenesis is a minor pathway in humans. If, say, a lean man eats his maintance calories (2500) in carbs with some protein and no fat, and eats them in 2 meals. Then after his first meal his BG would be elevated for around 3-4 hrs, enough such that all of his cells energy can be provided by glucose and some is used to top up liver glycogen. Then at 4 hrs his BG isn;t enough, he gets hungry again and has his second and last meal of the day.

    Same thing, he is running entirely on sugar until 4 hrs later when his BG returns to baseline and the food has been fully absorbed. Now he is running on liver glycogen and stored fat for the next 16hrs.

    If de novo lipogenesis is a minor pathway and the glucose converted to fat is negligeble then he will continue to drop weight until he dies, right? He can't use his liver to supply high BG during between meals and overnight as that is only 100g = 400kcals.

    As far as I am aware this does not happen. So if you are eating a zero fat diet at maintanance calories you have to be converting lots of those carbs into fat for between meal and overnight fasting in order to maintain weight, right?
     
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    This is such a valuable point.
     
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    They usually go together. Anything that irritates the intestine usually causes it to swell and this immediately reduced bowel transit. I guess reduced bowel transit can be considered a sign/symptom of GI irritation.
     
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    Low-protein High-carb Diet Has The Same Benefits As Caloric Restriction

    This thread inspired me to do a low protein fast. The questions I had were how low should I go when I reduce protein and for how long should I fast.

    Valter Longo has had success using 5 day Fasting-Mimicking Diet (FMD) to “reset” metabolism and drive down biomarkers associated with poor metabolic health, inflammation, and cardiovascular health. FMD works as a series of monthly 5-day fasts and the markers drop in a stepwise fashion to healthier levels. He focused on low protein to suppress IGF-1 and low calories. Rhonda Patrick interviewed Valter Longo and the video and time-stamped show notes are at Dr. Valter Longo on Resetting Autoimmunity and Rejuvenating Systems with Prolonged Fasting & the FMD

    Valter's patent US9386790 shows that he kept the protein level to less than 20 grams per day for most of the 5 day fast (see Table 3). The protein represented 9-10% of the calories and fat was 46% for the last 4 days of the fast (Table 2).

    Valter has other patents directed to using the FMD diet for diabetes, cancer, . . .etc,

    Here is link to Victor's papers at PubMed fasting-mimicking - PubMed - NCBI

    I am on day 3 of my pseudo-fast and my macros and calorie count are closer to Walter Kempner's Rice Diet than to Valter Longo's FMD. See https://idmprogram.com/wp-content/uploads/Minger2.jpg
     
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