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I was surprised to hear this RP clip last night. Without caveat, he says that a healthy person can go not eating for 12-15 hours without a stress response.
Courtesy of Amazoniac : NYAS PublicationsI already posted a study showing that benefits of fasting are due to lower endotoxin. There is nothing special to fasting beyound lower endotoxin and lower PUFA (initially). After a few days of chronic fasting stress hormones become chronically elevated and all hell breaks loose. The increased lipolysis alone is pretty bad. That's probably why cancer patients see great response from fasting for up to a week and then their tumor becomes really aggressive.
The Benefits Of Fasting Are Due To Lowering Endotoxin (LPS), Not Less Calories
I think for most people, it is no more than 3-4 hours and for some very hypo/sick ones it could be as little as an hour.
I don't think humans need to eat every 3-4 hours. It's all dependent on calories. Timing is largely irrelevant.
Perhaps this has been answered elsewhere on the forum but I can't seem to find anything.
What are the down sides to blocking TLR4? It has to have some useful function to have been preserved so long.
That is a good point but even so, we don't know that it is no longer useful. Does anyone know what it could have been useful for even if it is now obsolete.Can't give a technical answer, but this is logically specious. Many traits that could have been useful in ancient contexts are no longer so. For example, low metabolism, smaller body size, etc.
I was surprised to hear this RP clip last night. Without caveat, he says that a healthy person can go not eating for 12-15 hours without a stress response.
Those mice with the disrupted microbiomes displayed significantly weakened immune responses to the hepatitis virus, and ultimately showed worse signs of neurodegeneration, including paralysis. Interestingly, those mice with disrupted microbiomes also showed less active brain immune cells, called microglia, than the healthy mice.
Taking the research one step further, the team homed in on what mechanism the gut bacteria could be using to enhance the activity of microglia in the CNS and brain. Experiments revealed one particular immune signaling protein, called TLR4, seemed to be the key to this process. To confirm the hypothesis that microglia activity can be enhanced through TLR4 signaling from the microbiome, the researchers administered TLR4 to virally infected mice with disrupted microbiomes. And, amazingly, the animals indeed showed reduced neurological damage from the virus.
Perhaps this has been answered elsewhere on the forum but I can't seem to find anything.
What are the down sides to blocking TLR4? It has to have some useful function to have been preserved so long. If you have lots of endotoxin and that endotoxin gets transported into the blood stream by chylomicrons, wouldn't you need TLR4 to warn your body it is coming and to mount a proper response?
Does TLR4 facilitate transfer of LPS to the bloodstream?
Conversely, administering endotoxin (LPS) to the fasted mice quickly reversed the benefits of CR and restored the mice to their previous levels of "health". Perhaps even more importantly, the study found that mice with higher levels of endotoxin (LPS) did NOT benefit from caloric restriction! This could explain why dieting/fasting does not benefit so many people that attempt it. To further confirm that the benefits of CR were due to lower endotoxin (LPS) levels, the authors did an experiment with a group of mice that had regular daily caloric intake but was given a TLR4 antagonist. Those regular, unfasted mice given a TLR4 antagonist enjoyed the same reduction/prevention of obesity, insulin resistance, and chronic inflammation as the mice subjected to CR. In fact, as the study mentions itself, administering TLR4 antagonist may one day become an effective method to treat obesity and other metabolic conditions.
Endotoxin (LPS) May Be A Causative Factor In Alzheimer Disease (AD)
Where is the reference to this study?the study found that mice with higher levels of endotoxin (LPS) did NOT benefit from caloric restriction!
what do you think about palmitic acid being tlr4 agonist. isnt it present in beef and dairy fat. what should be doneAs many of you know, the argument for/against fasting has been raging on the forum for several years at this point. While Ray has spoken several times favorably about potentially skipping a meal or two, he has repeatedly said that chronic fasting is not something he recommends due to its negative effects on metabolism. When asked to elaborate on any possible benefits of caloric restriction (CR), he said that any real benefit is likely due to the lower endotoxin (LPS) levels and reduced PUFA stores, and not the actual reduction in calories. He also said that some additional benefits may be due to reduced intake of tryptophan, methionine and cysteine.
Well, this new study sides with Peat on the topic of fasting. The study found that reducing calories by about 40% led to changes in the microbiome that resulted in less endotoxin (LPS) synthesis and release in the bloodstream. As a result, the fasted animals had less fat mass while preserved lean mass and at the same time improved insulin sensitivity. Doing a fecal transplant from the fasted mice to naive mice provided the same benefits as CR while keeping their food intake unchanged. Conversely, administering endotoxin (LPS) to the fasted mice quickly reversed the benefits of CR and restored the mice to their previous levels of "health". Perhaps even more importantly, the study found that mice with higher levels of endotoxin (LPS) did NOT benefit from caloric restriction! This could explain why dieting/fasting does not benefit so many people that attempt it. To further confirm that the benefits of CR were due to lower endotoxin (LPS) levels, the authors did an experiment with a group of mice that had regular daily caloric intake but was given a TLR4 antagonist. Those regular, unfasted mice given a TLR4 antagonist enjoyed the same reduction/prevention of obesity, insulin resistance and chronic inflammation as the mice subjected to CR. In fact, as the study mentions itself, administering TLR4 antagonist may one day become an effective method to treat obesity and other metabolic conditions. I posted a few other studies showing that endotoxin (LPS) overload is probably involved in many (most) chronic conditions, so an effective blocker of endoxotin (LPS) signalling may become quite successful as a true cure for many diseases.
Endotoxin And Iron Finally Recognized As Potential Causes Of Many Diseases
Endotoxin (LPS) May Be A Causative Factor In Alzheimer Disease (AD)
Endotoxin (LPS) Theory Of Atherosclerosis (CVD)
Gut Bacteria May Cause ALL Autoimmune Conditions; Antibiotics Can Cure
The TLR4 antagonist used in the study was the rather obscure chemical CLI-095. It has not been approved for human use and even in animal studies it is relatively unknown. However, there are already quite a few other TLR4 antagonists with much longer track record of usage in humans and likely better side effect profile.
TLR4 - Wikipedia
Among those antagonists, the most widely used ones that Peat has spoken about include cyproheptadine, ketotifen, naltrexone and the caffeine derivative propentofylline. Ketotifen is already being tested in human trials for other conditions associated with TLR4 overactivation including systemic sclerosis (scleroderma), Lupus, RA, and even IBD conditions like Crohn's.
Emodin, progesterone, niacinamide, vitamin D, vitamin A and vitamin B3 would probably be the most applicable OTC ones.
Functional Gut Microbiota Remodeling Contributes to the Caloric Restriction-Induced Metabolic Improvements - ScienceDirect
How gut bacteria may help you diet and stay healthy
"...In order to see what role gut bacteria might play in the process of becoming healthier following a calorie-restricted diet, the scientists transferred some of these bacteria from the dieting mice to a group of mice bred not to have gut microbiota...The researchers found that simply performing this microbiota transfer allowed the mice to become leaner and produce more beige fat, despite staying on their regular diets. After analyzing the composition and behavior of these microbiota, Prof. Trajkovski and team observed that they produced fewer toxic molecules known as lipopolysaccharides (LPS). However, when the researchers tried to boost LPS levels so that they would reach their usual levels, they noticed that the mice with higher LPS saw fewer health benefits, despite dieting."
"...The researchers point out that LPS actually trigger an immune response as they activate a protein known as toll-like receptor 4 (TLR4). In the recent study, they noticed that mice that had been genetically engineered not to express TLR4 actually enjoyed similar health benefits to the ones seen by the rodents on the calorie-restricted diet. "Clearly the immune system not only combats infections, it also plays a key role in regulating metabolism," notes Prof. Trajkovski. Without activated TLR4, the mice not only produced more beige fat and thus saw more weight loss, but they also reacted better to insulin. These rodents' livers were also more effective at processing sugar and fat, and the mice became better at adjusting to colder temperatures. "This is turning into an entirely new field of research," Prof. Trajkovski says. After identifying these mechanisms, the team decided to test the effectiveness of two different compounds: one aimed at reducing LPS production, and the other aiming to block TLR4. Both of these drugs were effective in mice and induced a similar health outcome as that produced by calorie-restricted dieting."
"It may one day become possible to treat obese people with a drug that simulates caloric restriction. We are currently investigating the precise changes in bacterial communities, and we are also testing other compounds that reduce LPS production and signaling." -- Prof. Mirko Trajkovski
Perhaps this has been answered elsewhere on the forum but I can't seem to find anything.
What are the down sides to blocking TLR4? It has to have some useful function to have been preserved so long. If you have lots of endotoxin and that endotoxin gets transported into the blood stream by chylomicrons, wouldn't you need TLR4 to warn your body it is coming and to mount a proper response?
Does TLR4 facilitate transfer of LPS to the bloodstream?
Can't give a technical answer, but this is logically specious. Many traits that could have been useful in ancient contexts are no longer so. For example, low metabolism, smaller body size, etc.
Yes in the OP these were mentioned alongside progesterone and emodin.It should also be mentioned for people who don't like/aren't able to take drugs to get TLR4 antagonist effects, that some vitamins also act as TLR4 antagonists. Haidut has posted studies in the past discussing Vitamins A,D, B2, and B3 as having TLR4 antagonist effects.