I Asked Peat About His Legacy

[yerrag]

Why oligarchy and not authoritarianism? Everything is political, it seems. Seems to me it implies a long slog. Perhaps an almost impossible situation to overcome. Sisyphean.

And digital. The need to have everything measured and quantified and digitized. Qualitative observations are passe.

Lost is the use of the Achilles Tendon Reflex test. To observe how the tendon reacts to the neuro hammer requires observation and judgment. The certainty of numerical values in a thyroid panel is deemed more accurate. One costs nothing. The other can be paid by health insurance.

An oligarchy is usually institutionalized. It is more pernicious than authoritarianism. Overthrow a monarch, and an authoritarian monarch is gone. Change the presidency, and the oligarchy remains.

 

[LeeLemonoil]

Me: Brabble stuff

Great question. Great responses so far. A highlight of this Forum.


„I want to know how the body works“

That’s it - everything else what he perceives, thinks and writes is connected to that.

Also true:
he is far more detached than we might think (and might not want to accept easily, as we see him as a benevolent health guru)

Also true:
He is fluid and evolves. And that’s why „I want to know how the body works“ is probably a goal, a desire that both was always latently in him but also came into being because of circumstances and development.
At some point in his younger life, probably also Dr. Peat had more concrete, more mundane motivations revolving about personal forthcoming, economic, academic and social status and material well-being. He tried to run a self-founded Institute after all, that’s no small attempt to achieve the mentioned things.

He was thwarted by the powers that were, the medical and political establishment.
What they couldn’t thwart was his desire to learn and gain knowledge. The detachment likely began there. He analyzed why and how the system works that can foster so many negative things and hinder so many positives. He would also have started to analyze what enabled this kind of negative, destructive powers, why society, history, civilization is in the sorry state it is.
In the process, he found that everything is the same. How the human organism works is how everything else „downstream“ from that works. Society, culture, politics . All are mere reflections and consequences of how the human organism works in the context of the eco-systems it faces. This is the biggest of all rabbit holes you can follow. Evolution, laws of nature ... you need to try to study and understand everything there is to know to give into the great desire of wanting to know.
And eventually everything you „know“ will influence his own life choices. How to ear, dwell, work - live - so to find a balance between being able to study and study but also to stay in the physical and mental condition he found to be in line with his knowledge and findings about how the body works.
You will also begin to despise and oppose those who assume that very mantle and control this field: Pharma, quack academia and doctors as a side effect.

And you will try to help people in their health struggles with all you learned to be true. The detachment thing. Not because helping others is his foremost, selfless wish. No. Every disfunctional beings turning to him for advise offer him opportunity to learn more. And to verify or falsify what he recommends. His willingness to help is basically staying true to the principled he discovered. The futility, the mind-boggling schizophrenia and contrsdiction of what is really true and the unfathomable malign and disfunctional environment so many humans that are not able to understand as deeply as him face. This will force a compassions that is more rooted in the intellect than the „heart“.

I think Peat at this point doesn’t care about how his legacy will eventually turn out. It is beyond his control, and beyond meaning. What he does and did was right in itself. Commanded and determined by the desire to know and to do to enable him gaining knowledge. To really care about how strangers, people you never met and life long after you will think of you - that is something distinctly in contrast to what is both sane and in line to Peats definition of sanity. It’s pathological, irrational vanity. No human, no animal in touch with the great mystery and the great wonder and tragedy that is nature feels that need

Peat:
One sentence with two main words I didn’t even mention

 

[Ableton]

Prisons are built with stones of Law, brothels with bricks of Religion."

no. brothels are built with stones of law. what do you think young men would be doing to women if they can't get consensual sex if there were no laws preventing it? do you realize what sexually frustrated men are willing to do if they have a libido?

We live in the least religious times in the west since the rise of civilization, and male inceldom is self-reportedly at almost 30% already, in reality it's higher than that. parasocial relationships mimicking real ones are on the rise. males are jacking off to their imaginary e-girlfriend sending them nudes for hundreds of dollars, and to porn of course.

this quote does not make any sense whatsoever.

women are nothing without civilization protecting them. and they are exploiting the living **** out of it as we speak. good for them. it's not their fault masculinity went absent, and that they are simultaneously attracted to it and not to soyboys defending their degeneracy.

 

[damngoodcoffee]

no. brothels are built with stones of law. what do you think young men would be doing to women if they can't get consensual sex if there were no laws preventing it? do you realize what sexually frustrated men are willing to do if they have a libido?

What Blake is referring to is that your emotional side, your sexual force, your very energy in your body doesn't understand logical reasoning and only feels threatened and suppressed by THOU SHALT NOT. It only makes it feel trapped and agitated. Energy wants to flow, it doesn't understand NO, STOP. That would be death to it. So suppressed people turn to irrational, impatient, senseless and evil acts (which ultimately leads to one's own demise anyway).

He's talking about this:
Romans 7
8 Now Sin, getting an incentive through the precept, produces in me all manner of coveting. For apart from law Sin is dead.
9 Now I lived, apart from law, once, yet at the coming of the precept Sin revives. Yet I died,
10 and it was found that, to me, the precept for life, this is for death.
11 For Sin, getting an incentive through the precept, deludes me, and through it, kills me.

We live in the least religious times in the west since the rise of civilization

If we think of religion in terms of heavy dogma pushed on people then I'd say we're living in quite religious times.

 

[Ableton]

What Blake is referring to is that your emotional side, your sexual force, your very energy in your body doesn't understand logical reasoning and only feels threatened and suppressed by THOU SHALT NOT. It only makes it feel trapped and agitated. Energy wants to flow, it doesn't understand NO, STOP. That would be death to it. So suppressed people turn to irrational, impatient, senseless and evil acts (which ultimately leads to one's own demise anyway).

He's talking about this:
Romans 7
8 Now Sin, getting an incentive through the precept, produces in me all manner of coveting. For apart from law Sin is dead.
9 Now I lived, apart from law, once, yet at the coming of the precept Sin revives. Yet I died,
10 and it was found that, to me, the precept for life, this is for death.
11 For Sin, getting an incentive through the precept, deludes me, and through it, kills me.


If we think of religion in terms of heavy dogma pushed on people then I'd say we're living in quite religious times.

elaborate what that dogma is then, because the dogmas I can think of that are being pushed in the west (consumerism, hedonism, demasculization, atomization and deconstruction of the family, lookism) undermine the position you have brought to this thread even further. So I am guessing you are thinking of different dogma than myself.

 

[managing]

Why oligarchy and not authoritarianism? Everything is political, it seems. Seems to me it implies a long slog. Perhaps an almost impossible situation to overcome. Sisyphean.

And digital. The need to have everything measured and quantified and digitized. Qualitative observations are passe.

Lost is the use of the Achilles Tendon Reflex test. To observe how the tendon reacts to the neuro hammer requires observation and judgment. The certainty of numerical values in a thyroid panel is deemed more accurate. One costs nothing. The other can be paid by health insurance.

I love the last paragraph. Brilliant observation that I think fits perfectly.

As for oligarchy vs authoritarianism: I don't think you can have authoritarianism if nobody controls a significant proportion of some important resource. So I think he is saying end authoritarianism, he just went deeper, to the root cause.

EDIT: I see in your later post that you say something that comes to a similar conclusion.

 

[managing]

What Blake is referring to is that your emotional side, your sexual force, your very energy in your body doesn't understand logical reasoning and only feels threatened and suppressed by THOU SHALT NOT. It only makes it feel trapped and agitated. Energy wants to flow, it doesn't understand NO, STOP. That would be death to it. So suppressed people turn to irrational, impatient, senseless and evil acts (which ultimately leads to one's own demise anyway).

He's talking about this:
Romans 7
8 Now Sin, getting an incentive through the precept, produces in me all manner of coveting. For apart from law Sin is dead.
9 Now I lived, apart from law, once, yet at the coming of the precept Sin revives. Yet I died,
10 and it was found that, to me, the precept for life, this is for death.
11 For Sin, getting an incentive through the precept, deludes me, and through it, kills me.


If we think of religion in terms of heavy dogma pushed on people then I'd say we're living in quite religious times.

Thank you for contributing Blake to this conversation. It has helped my understanding of RP's context considerably.

 

[damngoodcoffee]

elaborate what that dogma is then, because the dogmas I can think of that are being pushed in the west (consumerism, hedonism, demasculization, atomization and deconstruction of the family, lookism) undermine the position you have brought to this thread even further. So I am guessing you are thinking of different dogma than myself.

Loads of different dogmas. Lots of division. Just this general pressure to have an opinion fast, to know your label and to label others.

The need to have everything measured and quantified and digitized.

This. Many different faces for the same God complex.

 

[damngoodcoffee]

Thank you for contributing Blake to this conversation. It has helped my understanding of RP's context considerably.

Yeah it helped me too with that. I've never been into poetry or visual arts per se but for some reason I fell in love with Blake's work. When I started to read his poems and look at his paintings I had the same kind of feeling I had when I first came across Peat's articles, I just knew deep down that this has something really powerful and important in it. Just like with Peat's articles, a lot of it went over my head at first but I felt a unique clarity in it, a vibration of truth or whatever that was calling me.

Both have helped me to find peace and well-being so my intuition about them wasn't wrong. And with both of them, I don't agree with everything 100% and some of it is still over my head.

 

[Ableton]

Lost is the use of the Achilles Tendon Reflex test. To observe how the tendon reacts to the neuro hammer requires observation and judgment. The certainty of numerical values in a thyroid panel is deemed more accurate. One costs nothing. The other can be paid by health insurance.

lost? Participating observation, (digital) ethnography, ethnomethodology, interviews, discourse analysis, you can continue the list infinitely. The humanities have plenty of means to understand the world and even nature in an analogue way. It’s just that the same people here complaining about digital culture at large want the humanities defunded because muhhh neomarxist postmodernism. As if that was a problem inherent to the method or it’s theory and not concerning the political liberal echo chamber those studies happen in.
Just yesterday people were laughing at me in the travis quora thread because travis pulled some studies out of his **** „proving“ smoking is good when a simple tendon reflex test on that ***t should tell you otherwise if you have any smartness on top of your iq (travis only had the latter for that matter)
Travis is a textbook example of digital cultural practice gone wrong. Actually, this whole forum is. This forum is doing its best in digitizing peating and in not honoring 2/3 of its motto: perceive and think

 

[Ableton]

What we should do is largely defunding the hard sciences, cut their part in the curriculum down a lot. And teach kids literature and philosophy, these sort of things. Sports as well
We do not need average scientists. We only need brilliant ones.
We need people to have some sort of political, philosophical, social systemical understanding so we actually want to change the system. More quantifications of nature are not going to make our lives better anymore, generally speaking. We need to get rid of consumerism, wagecucking, ubiquitous technology, degeneracy, poison in our food, pollution, decline of social interaction. This sort of ***t that apparently comes with modernity/capitalism

 

[R J]

Lol that anecdote wasn't a basis for my worldview.. Just an example that popped into my mind pointing towards the fact that reality doesn't fit in the small box you try to put it in. I think you should spend more time on figuring out what a person is trying to communicate instead of sticking to your first impression. Your overconfidence in your grand conclusions about what a person thinks based on a couple of words is astonishing. Humble yourself. The arrogance, impatience, rudeness and lack of curiosity you have demonstrated is a perfect example of why I rarely bother to take part in the conversation here anymore.

You’re using example and then when he deconstructs it you go “lol it was just an anecdote, your worldview is sad”
Same with other negative responses to ableton. His truths are annoying to you because you’ve got your own bubble of positivity and you don’t seem to like when another perspective tells you how it is for them and others. The fact you resort to calling him arrogant and rude is funny to me as all I see is him explaining his perspective which you other user continue to essentially prove with some of your comments. @managing wife prefer short guys but settled for a tall guy and your beautiful model friend meets incels online and valiantly deflowers them for sake of humanity. And then you call ableton whatever you called him for calling out how rare that is . It’s funny the more you explain the more you confirm the opposing view

 

[R J]

You have posted another post since.

And the example you provided was just another anecdote that „my worldview“ describes our world better than the one you are currently struggling to hold on to, which is why you are trying to defend it here without talking sense and despite not enjoying the discussion

have you ever considered just completely going into a hyper cope mode for awhile and forcing a different viewpoint / position into your mind. internalize the bloomer .
I wonder if it would actually work. It would take an enormous amount of energy and will. I’m toying with the idea because I kind of experimented with it and it ended disastrously for me
But also I didnt fully know what I was doing . I might try again

 

[managing]

What we should do is largely defunding the hard sciences, cut their part in the curriculum down a lot. And teach kids literature and philosophy, these sort of things. Sports as well
We do not need average scientists. We only need brilliant ones.
We need people to have some sort of political, philosophical, social systemical understanding so we actually want to change the system. More quantifications of nature are not going to make our lives better anymore, generally speaking. We need to get rid of consumerism, wagecucking, ubiquitous technology, degeneracy, poison in our food, pollution, decline of social interaction. This sort of ***t that apparently comes with modernity/capitalism

Science is not inherently digital and humanities are not inherently analogue. Defunding science and inflating humanities would do nothing to inherently address "digital culture". It is a way of being together and towards others. Just as possible (likely) in ethnography or discourse analysis to relate from a position of authority over resources and to demand compliance. I've spent a lot of time in that world and it is most assuredly just as corrupted by oligarchy, authority, and tyranny as any other aspect of modern life. Sure, there are investigations and discourses about subversion of that. Nietzsche-Heidegger-Foucault-Rorty-Derrida-Maturana et al., and many associated sub-kingdoms of academia. But the proof is in doing. Not knowing, or talking about. That remains rare.

Meanwhile, science is no less (or more) likely to stumble upon it and has its own brand of analogue inquiries. Mead-Bateson-Bohm etc.

Science/Humanities is just not how this settles out.

 

[R J]

It took awhile before Blake's work touched me but when it did, it rocked my world. Here's a couple of quotes by him:

"If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is, infinite."

"I feel that a man may be happy in this world, and I know that this world is a world of imagination and vision. I see everything I paint in this world, but everybody does not see alike. To the eyes of a miser a guinea is far more beautiful than the sun, and a bag worn with the use of money has more beautiful proportions than a vine filled with grapes. The tree which moves some to tears of joy is in the eyes of others only a green thing which stands in the way. Some see Nature all ridicule and deformity, and by these I shall not regulate my proportions; and some scarce see Nature at all. But to the eyes of the man of imagination, Nature is Imagination itself. As a man is, so he sees. As the eye is formed, such are its powers. You certainly mistake, when you say that the visions of fancy are not to be found in this world."

"Eternity is in love with the productions of time. The busy bee has no time for sorrow. The hours of folly are measur’d by the clock; but of wisdom, no clock can measure."

"Shame is Pride’s cloak. Prisons are built with stones of Law, brothels with bricks of Religion."

"The fox condemns the trap, not himself." I think this is about the famous fable The Fox & the Grapes. I think it's totally misunderstood by the masses and is really about realizing religious self-righteousness, leaven of the pharisees as Jesus called it. It's about Law vs Grace.


This is probably a good place to add a poem of mine called Lucifer:

Give me the ghost of you
Give me the ink
Give me one's and zero's
You're living filth
Give me a concept I can measure
I don't care about your pain or pleasure
I need to know your limitations
So I know how much to take from your bread
Without it I'd be dead and I don't want to die
Don't ask me why, this is how I get by
Life's a struggle for me, it's my destiny
So give me life or give me death
Give your time, give your breath
Give a little lamb, I don't give a damn
My duty I must do, so I must order you
Obey! Obey! Obey your life away

This poem of yours is objectively terrible.

 

[managing]

This poem of yours is objectively terrible. see What I mean about proving the opposite point the more you explain? I know I can discard your opinions totally now.

You may not care, but you cannot have provided a better illustration of relating to your world digitally. Thank you.

 

[Ableton]

have you ever considered just completely going into a hyper cope mode for awhile and forcing a different viewpoint / position into your mind. internalize the bloomer .
I wonder if it would actually work. It would take an enormous amount of energy and will. I’m toying with the idea because I kind of experimented with it and it ended disastrously for me
But also I didnt fully know what I was doing . I might try again

Not really and if I would channel a lot of energy it would be to advance my career which would automatically mean that I had no more brain capacity to worry about ***t
Right now I‘m just enjoying being at my best health for a long time, getting paid for doing almost nothing, working out, sleeping a lot, rotting in front of my computer, that sort of ***t.
Im kind of embracing the rotting and am not even being fake about it anymore to others lol. I’m starting to arrange myself with my lonely situation in the pandemic and just trolling all day on whatsapp with friends i see twice a year in person. I’ll maybe put a total of 30 minutes a day in reading stuff that is actually interesting or intellectually challenging. Apart from that it’s memes, porn, youtube and this meme forum when it comes to online activity.
Basically I am in a hypersarcastic state right now and am not planning to leave it anytime soon.

 

[R J]

You may not care, but you cannot have provided a better illustration of relating to your world digitally. Thank you.

It’s just bad though.if I don’t discard some sources due to evaluations I’d forever be weighing opinions that don’t matter. For example i stopped really putting weight into your words when you rationalized cuckery and the hilarious wife prefers short men comments

You guys don’t agree with my opinions but I have written objectively better stuff in notebooks filled with chicken scratch discarded about my room I don’t even feel worth re reading but this guy posts his trite poem - song online for us to see. It’s cringe

 

[R J]

Not really and if I would channel a lot of energy it would be to advance my career which would automatically mean that I had no more brain capacity to worry about ***t
Right now I‘m just enjoying being at my best health for a long time, getting paid for doing almost nothing, working out, sleeping a lot, rotting in front of my computer, that sort of ***t.
Im kind of embracing the rotting and am not even being fake about it anymore to others lol. I’m starting to arrange myself with my lonely situation in the pandemic and just trolling all day on whatsapp with friends i see twice a year in person. I’ll maybe put a total of 30 minutes a day in reading stuff that is actually interesting or intellectually challenging. Apart from that it’s memes, porn, youtube and this meme forum when it comes to online activity.
Basically I am in a hypersarcastic state right now and am not planning to leave it anytime soon.

stop being a coomer .

 

[Ableton]

Science is not inherently digital and humanities are not inherently analogue. Defunding science and inflating humanities would do nothing to inherently address "digital culture". It is a way of being together and towards others. Just as possible (likely) in ethnography or discourse analysis to relate from a position of authority over resources and to demand compliance. I've spent a lot of time in that world and it is most assuredly just as corrupted by oligarchy, authority, and tyranny as any other aspect of modern life. Sure, there are investigations and discourses about subversion of that. Nietzsche-Heidegger-Foucault-Rorty-Derrida-Maturana et al., and many associated sub-kingdoms of academia. But the proof is in doing. Not knowing, or talking about. That remains rare.

Meanwhile, science is no less (or more) likely to stumble upon it and has its own brand of analogue inquiries. Mead-Bateson-Bohm etc.

Science/Humanities is just not how this settles out.

people reading philosophy or getting taught in it instead of trying to isolate a protein in a cricket for 3 years as their phd would not adress the problem of digital culture? I think you are underestimating how that shapes people.
It explains why doctors are usually „dumb“ meanwhile some 30 year old neet art history student is likely smart, at the very least interesting