How Do You Get Any Result From Anything?

[hei]

I can't tell any difference from anything dietary related. Don't feel any difference whatsoever between drinking/eating and not drinking/eating milk, OJ, carrots, potatoes, meat, fruit, liver, starch, gluten, seafood, etc. Sugar doesn't make me feel better, it doesn't feel like anything. Gelatine has no discernible effect in any quantity. Supplements do nothing. Magnesium: nothing. Vitamins: nothing. Selenium: nothing. Zinc: nothing. Can't gain muscle, can't lose fat. My body isn't even physically capable of withstanding exercise anymore. Sunlight doesn't make me feel better. I can't control how well I sleep. Nothing makes a difference. Trying for longer just means trying for longer without a result.
Feels like I might as well be reading about some wizard performing magic when I read about the success stories on here or elsewhere.

 

[Energizer]

Not everyone can fix all their problems with just diet. Some people benefit from looking into a thyroid supplement, considering how widespread hypothyroidism is and how difficult it can be to correct with diet alone. I recommend checking out Hypothyroidism: The Unsuspected Illness by Broda Barnes if you haven't already. That book will give you lots of useful information about how to assess whether you might need a thyroid supplement and how to use it. It took me a while to find a rhythm to get out of my slump and figure out what was causing my health problems. Diet alone was not enough for me. Keep on trucking.

 

[hei]

I ordered that book a month ago (12 June) so at this point who knows if it will even come. Can't even manage that. Hard to hold out much hope for anything to make much of a difference, anyway. Even browsing here there seem to be many for whom thyroid supplementation isn't as much of a help as they need.

 

[GelatinGoblin]

Don't go too far down learned helplessness; the 'giving up' response.
Ray Peat diet lacks Potassium, B Vitamins it seems, Vitamin E and Calcium (?).
Supplement Vitamin E (~400UI) with a high fat meal, you supplement because you can't get enough of something from the diet, Vitamin E fits this condition exactly. Alternatively, Red Palm Oil seems to be the best option. Not too much PUFA compared to other oils and lots of Vit. E, also a traditional cooking oil (wouldn't suggest cooking with anything outside of Coconut oil).
Fruits: Mangos, Peaches, Bananas, etc. But well ripened. If it's not ripe or sweet than drop it. Berries: Blueberries Barberries Raspberries (cheap, be sure to eat without seeds, use a metal strainer and mash them above a bowl and than drink the liquid), Cherrys, Sweet Cherrys. Never eat the seeds! Currant juice is a good addition.
Oxtail soup/Khash: Oxtails, Shanks, beef cut from the shoulder/full of connective tissue.
Cook for 6 hours! Add some boiled and dried eggshells into the soup for Calcium!
Beef heart, very, very cheap and practically a steak with the addition of natural Testosterone and CoQ10! Cut off the hard ligaments and save them for the soup! So much Collagen!
Drop any Turkey, Chicken, Pork you might eat. Beef from nose to tail is best, and isn't always expensive. Beef Liver is good also, not expensive at all.
Minute roast steak and or Teres Major are good not too expensive steaks, be sure to cook them in the oven or add to the soup. Sometimes a good Flat Iron steak and or T-Bone.
All of the above is to be bought and sometimes ordered from the butcher. Nothing worse than supermarket Liver, Oxtail, Heart and Steaks
Russian/any Buckwheat, or Red Potatoes with the skin if you can handle them. Otherwise, White Rice and or Sweet Potatoes are theoratically very safe until you repair your metabolism.
After you eat go for walks, WALKING IS KEY FOR DIGESTION.
Eggs with some cheese is good. Avoid Powdered Milk and aged cheese.
Supplement with a good B Vitamin Complex (50/100mg/[mcg?] for all of the B vitamins per pill) twice a day. Magnesium Citrate and Iodine (to displace Fluoride and Bromine from the Thyroid) on an emptyish stomach also twice a day, can be taken with the B Vitamins.
Talk to more people, key for Neurogenesis and Neurosteroid production. Be in the sun shirtless anywhere from 12-15:30.
If you can expose scrotum to direct sunlight, feels amazing and metabolically nourishing
Be sure to expose your chest. Mostly avoid sun after 4 PM. Boiled Asparagus is good stuff.
Daily raw carrot.


For now this is enough, try to implement this and update.

 

[LLight]

One Cure for All Diseases - One Cure for All Diseases

Some testimonies I've gathered from r/dryfasting (may be biased towards positive one as always on internet):

Spoiler: Testimonies

"I have cured my lower back pain. It wasn’t a serious pain, but I would always notice it when I sat down and stood up. My body has completely healed it.

All my skin tags have disappeared and I no longer get any tongue ulcers (which I used to get quite a few of) because of dry fasting.

I also cured cystitis. If I ate certain foods I would always get inflamed, it negatively affected my quality of life. Even foods that I loved I had to give up because they would cause me such a bad reaction.

But I went out for dinner today and I’m able to eat those foods again. I no longer have a bad reaction to them and it feels amazing."

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"The first time I realized that all this "weird talk about autophagy" was real was when I did a 6 day dry fast. It completely fixed a massive amount of digestive issues that I had been having for the past year. I honestly don't know if you need to do something insane like what I did but if you haven't done non stop OMAD then it can't hurt right?"

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"Many people don't subscribe to the 'hard dry fast' vs 'soft dry fast' thing. I'm fasting for healing, and let me tell you, healing I am, and majorly! I brush my teeth, wash dishes, wash my hands and... are you ready for this? Take Epsom salt (for additional detox and magnesium) baths, long beautiful hot baths, while dry fasting.I don't have spare weight to lose, but I do lose while dry fasting (my longest was 36 hours, going for 40 now), then make sure to gain it back, which is not that easy. However, the biggest benefit is in old injuries healing, as well as my arthritis, and my fibro is almost non-existent - I have SLE with a bunch of comorbidities, and all of them are showing significant improvements. But, what I notice the most right now is that I can no longer predict the weather through my joints - I used to give the best meteorologist run for their money and never failed. If my shoulder says it will rain, it will rain, you can bet your money on it. If my fingers say the weather will change, it will change. And then there are my arches... Well, were. None of this is true anymore, 5 weeks into daily 16hr dry fasting, 4 24 hours, one 36-hour, and now a few hours into a 40-hour attempt. I can no longer predict the weather, at all (and still haven't developed a habit of checking weather prognosis, leading to a few unfortunate incidents of being soaked and such). And all that with 'soft dry fasting'... majorly soft :)

But, it's your fast so I say follow your bliss - if it makes it feel more real to hard dry fast, go for it!"

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"A bit of backstory:I am obese - 300+ pounds. I also have Selective IgA deficiency which leaves me prone to infections in the mucous membranes of my body(sinuses, eyes, GI tract). Before it started fasting I had a C-Reactive Protein (CRP) level of 88. (Healthy levels are under 7). My doc wasn’t sure why but chalked it up to a combo if my weight & an infection yet to be found.

After 2 months of water fasting (including a 21 day), my CRP levels dropped to 77.

From August -October, I began experimenting with dry fasting. I most recently completed a 102 hour dry fast.

Just this week I got my newest lab results back. My CRP levels are down to 22!! This is amazing! I fully attribute it to dry fasting because, my CRP levels have remained high on previous diet attempts when I have been at a lower weight than I am now. As in they’ve never budged from the 80s before even with weight loss of over 150 pounds. Yet, in 3 months dry fasting has brought it down by a whopping 50 points!!

TLDR: I fully believe dry fasting had dropped my CRP levels drastically. :)"

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"I had an old shoulder injury that wouldnt go away.. had it for about 6 months.. it would lay dormant until i started working out again.. over and over.. I did a 3 day dry fast.. and it was healed 70%.. i was like .. i be damned.. did another dry fast .. and i havent felt injury wise since .. So i guess it worked on my shoulder."

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"The experience For the first three days it was mostly focusing on mindfulness and it gave me a sense of calming effect. Suddenly I wasn't so hung up I was doing something extream, just a fast with good mental space. On the morning of the forth day I had a high similar to psychedelics, I wasn't seeing anything but emotional I was completely free. I felt a deep sense of connection, a pure explosive expression was blossoming. I haven't felt that peaceful since my last mushroom trip and even though I was feeling symptoms, I surrendered to it, I let the experience take me where it wants to take me and it was beautiful and memorable. Around the 110 hour mark I knew it was fine to end it.

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Back to baseline After eating relatively healthy, no processed stuff or sugar snacks, my weight settled at 187. A total of 6 pounds that stayed off for now. I'm still eating mostly salads and meats and ignoring sweets.

Other benefits

I noticed that my cravings are gone and my stomach isn't as bloated anymore. I've been on NoFap since I started and working feels amazing. I haven't lost any strength. I feel I can lift more but I'm sticking to a slow build up. My confidence is through the roof and I'm planning to do another dry fast again."

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"I had facial psoriasis and acne and would do back to back 48 dry fasts with 72’s thrown In alongside carnivore refeeds, I know longer have any skin issues."

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"It took me around two weeks for the fatigue symptoms to go away.

The benefits I am seeing are:

1/ increased sleep quality and energy. That is, I wake up before the alarm clock now and I don't wake up in the middle of the night anymore. I don't go to bed earlier either. And I have enough energy to punch through my day.

2/ decreased hunger. Compared to water intermittent fasting, I almost never feel hunger during my fasting window anymore. It's like dry IF is easier (for me) than water IF now.

3/ even better body composition, despite adding more carbs (rice, legumes more fruits, etc) to my diet. I wasn't overweight to begin with, and was already quite active before getting into IF (20+ years of martial arts). Despite that, water IF improved my body composition; let's say that I'd carry a six pack all year round thanks to it. Dry IF improved that even further. I have more definition everywhere now all the time, while eating carbs, fat and proteins all at once.

And all the numerous benefits of water IF still apply. Really, so far, I see zero downside to dry IF besides the fact that it was super hard (for me) to get into."

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"I had pretty severe hormonal acne and weirdly out of sync periods (like they would either come 1.5 months apart or they would come 1.5 weeks apart) up until a year and a half ago, shortly after doing two 24 hour dry fast in the Vegas summer. whatever hormonal issues I was having the dry fasting definitely cured it."

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"my hemorrhoids were gone and never returned after a 5 day soft dry fast"

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"Heres my story.

I developed a pain i estimated around my pancreas and waited a couple weeks before going to ER and they ran an ultra sound. Didnt see anything, all other tests came back normal. I told them I was convinced it was pancreatic cancer. They said, usually peoples skin turns yellow with that. So being non-yellow but still in pain, went home disappointed.

Still in pain, I came across dry fasting and how animals fast when they are injured.

I dry fasted for two days.

On the third day I took a poo. It was a black log. Not like old blood cells but like witch hat black but still in good looking poo form.

Pain disappeared.

Thats my dry fast story. Havent done it since but I think I will try it again soon to see what other benefits I can get."

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"I just completed a 7 soft dry fast and I lost about 32 pounds. I am a woman. My toe was broken a while back and I couldn't sustain pressure on it for long. I can complete pirouettes and arabesques without wanting to shoot my self. My scarring from acne also healed. I used melano cc and snail mucin so that my have helped. My textured skin and hyperpigmentation cleared as well. Fountain of youth? For me, yes."

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"I usually fast for 48 hours at a time. The results im seeing are 1~ so much easier physically and mentally than water fasting, feels more natural to just let my body take care of the fat to make energy and water. 2~ I feel like a completely different person, like all my cells were reborn, my thinking is sharp, my sprints are quicker, My mood has improved by the week it seems. I heal much quicker now. Teeming with energy! 3~ Ive been chubby my whole life (like 35 pounds over weight) and pretty much fixed that in one month. My tastes have also changed. I use to go for heavy carbs and sugar but those choices don’t sound good to me anymore. 4~ Ive learned to just think for myself and just try what I think makes sense, no more scrolling for answers endlessly. Im honestly shocked at my life in the last month alone. I feel like Ive found the holy grail for what works for me"

Totally wrecking them and their immune systems.

 

[GelatinGoblin]

 

[LLight]

 

[Jessie]

Are you eating enough? Too little calories will result in some deterioration, particularly in one's ability to participate in exercise. What about your calcium levels? It's pretty easy to forget about the calcium/phosphate ratio, and on meat/grain based diets you'd almost certainly need a concentrated dose (like eggshell) to balance things. I do agree most supplements are useless unless there's something specific to address. Only thing I'm taking right now is Thorne's vitamin D 12,000iu and Haidut's vitamin K2 15mg. The vitamin D is essential for proper hormone production, including thyroid hormones. And if you're getting a bunch of calcium in your diet vitamin K never hurts.

 

[koky]

GelatinGoblin why do you say avoid sun after 4pm?

 

[GutFeeling]

You seems depressed.
Have you looked into your hormones? T, estrogen, prolactin thyroid, cortisol etc?

Maybe look into a strong dopaminergic drug?

 

[magnesiumania]

Sometimes people just lack thiamine. Without it, nothing works. Seemed to be the case with me. And only the TTFD form worked.

 

[magnesiumania]

And some peopke just need a massive dose of psychedelics.

 

[Korven]

"Nothing makes a difference. Trying for longer just means trying for longer without a result."

Can relate to this man...

Researching for literally hundreds of hours, trying all sorts of things, having some glimmer of hope that things will get better but ultimately nothing changes + not having a ******* clue how to fix things and no one can help you or understand you (certainly not doctors). This ***t gets to you and at the moment I feel very hopeless

If I see no improvement with my next experiment I'm just giving up on this stuff

 

[GelatinGoblin]

GelatinGoblin why do you say avoid sun after 4pm?

12-16:00 is the prime time for UV-B, the UV light which produces Vit. D, when the sun is directly above. Outside of that the UV light is mostly or completely UV-A, which penetrates the deepest into the skin and the most damaging as far as I know.
UV-B is the stuff you want (whether it be skin or eyes), is the general consensus.

 

[hei]

Are you eating enough? Too little calories will result in some deterioration, particularly in one's ability to participate in exercise. What about your calcium levels? It's pretty easy to forget about the calcium/phosphate ratio, and on meat/grain based diets you'd almost certainly need a concentrated dose (like eggshell) to balance things. I do agree most supplements are useless unless there's something specific to address. Only thing I'm taking right now is Thorne's vitamin D 12,000iu and Haidut's vitamin K2 15mg. The vitamin D is essential for proper hormone production, including thyroid hormones. And if you're getting a bunch of calcium in your diet vitamin K never hurts.

I keep gaining weight despite having probably 25% bodyfat, so IMO there probably isn't a shortage. When I tried cutting back on calories a few months ago to lose weight it seemed to shed a lot of muscle around my legs and back/shoulders while leaving the fat largely untouched. I would say I generally drink lots of milk relative to meat and grains.

Have you looked into your hormones? T, estrogen, prolactin thyroid, cortisol etc?

All low except for thyroid which seems to convert overly to rT3. I wasn't eating low carb anyway but more carbs and selenium didn't seem to help with that. I think T is probably even lower than when I had it tested a few months ago.

 

[GutFeeling]

I keep gaining weight despite having probably 25% bodyfat, so IMO there probably isn't a shortage. When I tried cutting back on calories a few months ago to lose weight it seemed to shed a lot of muscle around my legs and back/shoulders while leaving the fat largely untouched. I would say I generally drink lots of milk relative to meat and grains.


All low except for thyroid which seems to convert overly to rT3. I wasn't eating low carb anyway but more carbs and selenium didn't seem to help with that. I think T is probably even lower than when I had it tested a few months ago.

Low T with low estrogen and prolactin? Don't know much about your situation but TRT may be warranted?

Gabaergic agents and dopaminergic drugs can be extremely useful if one is in a bad place, don't know much about your situation, but if you feel on the edge then they may be a wonderful addition.

 

[damngoodcoffee]

And some peopke just need a massive dose of psychedelics.

Or a microdose. Powerful stuff.

 

[meatbag]

I can't tell any difference from anything dietary related. Don't feel any difference whatsoever between drinking/eating and not drinking/eating milk, OJ, carrots, potatoes, meat, fruit, liver, starch, gluten, seafood, etc. Sugar doesn't make me feel better, it doesn't feel like anything. Gelatine has no discernible effect in any quantity. Supplements do nothing. Magnesium: nothing. Vitamins: nothing. Selenium: nothing. Zinc: nothing. Can't gain muscle, can't lose fat. My body isn't even physically capable of withstanding exercise anymore. Sunlight doesn't make me feel better. I can't control how well I sleep. Nothing makes a difference. Trying for longer just means trying for longer without a result.
Feels like I might as well be reading about some wizard performing magic when I read about the success stories on here or elsewhere.

Have you checked your body temperature and pulse rate?
Temperature and Pulse Basics & Monthly Log – Functional Performance Systems (FPS)
Ray Peat, PhD on Thyroid, Temperature, Pulse, and TSH – Functional Performance Systems (FPS)

Lately whenever I start feeling bad its usually some kind of gut issue
Serotonin Causes Anhedonia. And Mental Illness In General
Serotonin (due To Bacteria) Is The Master Regulator Of Metabolism, Insulin Sensitivity, And Weig
Sterilizing The Gut Restores Insulin Sensitivity By Reducing Fatty Acid Oxidation

 

[magnesiumania]

12-16:00 is the prime time for UV-B, the UV light which produces Vit. D, when the sun is directly above. Outside of that the UV light is mostly or completely UV-A, which penetrates the deepest into the skin and the most damaging as far as I know.
UV-B is the stuff you want (whether it be skin or eyes), is the general consensus.

There are many chromophores that assimilate and use UVA. The benzene ring og tyrosine absorb these wavleghts. So no UVA = poor dopaminergic signalling.

 

[magnesiumania]

Or a microdose. Powerful stuff.

For a start yes.