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roguesandy said:Instead of flushing the tube with water, I used coconut water. He recovered very quickly after that--in just a few days he was eating on his own again and the vet was able to remove the tube.
I just wanted to add a note that I used DMSO to control hyperthyroid symptoms in 2 cats. Actually, I used it to undo liver damaged caused by the thyroid suppressing medicine but it worked to lower T4 in that cat. So I nearly killed her by giving her methimazole and in trying to save her life I accidentally discovered the natural remedy for elevated T4. But a lot of damage had been done and she didn't like DMSO rubbed on her skin. When it became apparent that she would need topical application 4x/day to live, I decided that was a quality of life issue. Each time I tried to wean her to a lower concentration, she would develop cholestasis again (indicating liver inflammation). Te keep treating her meant 4 times a day she was mad at me and the rest of the day she was afraid of me because she never knew when I was going to rub fire on her belly. I wasn't brave enough to give it via injection until I met a horse vet who convinced me to go for it (with my next patient). So my next hyperthyroid cat, got DMSO inflused into her subcutaneous fluids. First I experimented with .5ml diluted in 12ml saline because at the time she did not require hydration very often and I just needed enough fluid to dilute the DMSO to less than 10%. She did not like the sensation so I figured out if I could get the amount down to about 1%, she didn't notice it. The rub- can't add it to a bag of fluids, which would be the easiest way to administer it SC. So I just slowly injected it through the injection port nearest the needle. I am not suggesting this is a cure, all I can say is for my cat, it stopped the "tweaker" behavior- the incessant yowling, wanting to play constantly, being hungry but nauseated (it completely stopped vomiting but if I missed a day or two she vomited so I know beyond a doubt the DMSO was controlling this.My 18yo cat is groaning a lot everyday (and irritating her roommates). She was actually hyperthyroid but she's medicated for that and is doing much better overall. I'm not sure what to do for her; something is obviously wrong. She feels cold and seems very anxious a lot of the time. She begs often, probably for tuna, which I'm not sure I should give her. A year or two ago we tried giving her lots of tuna but she went absolutely berserk, like a drug addict. Groaning loudly and constantly. Maybe she's just a junkie now, I don't know.
I suppose I could try giving her some progest-E. Some Google searching has convinced me that both progesterone and vitamin E are safe for cats.
it stopped the "tweaker" behavior- the incessant yowling, wanting to play constantly, being hungry but nauseated
Thanks, I'll think about subcutaneous DMSO. She's not a very trusting cat so I'm not sure yet how I would do it.I just wanted to add a note that I used DMSO to control hyperthyroid symptoms in 2 cats. Actually, I used it to undo liver damaged caused by the thyroid suppressing medicine but it worked to lower T4 in that cat. So I nearly killed her by giving her methimazole and in trying to save her life I accidentally discovered the natural remedy for elevated T4. But a lot of damage had been done and she didn't like DMSO rubbed on her skin. When it became apparent that she would need topical application 4x/day to live, I decided that was a quality of life issue. Each time I tried to wean her to a lower concentration, she would develop cholestasis again (indicating liver inflammation). Te keep treating her meant 4 times a day she was mad at me and the rest of the day she was afraid of me because she never knew when I was going to rub fire on her belly. I wasn't brave enough to give it via injection until I met a horse vet who convinced me to go for it (with my next patient). So my next hyperthyroid cat, got DMSO inflused into her subcutaneous fluids. First I experimented with .5ml diluted in 12ml saline because at the time she did not require hydration very often and I just needed enough fluid to dilute the DMSO to less than 10%. She did not like the sensation so I figured out if I could get the amount down to about 1%, she didn't notice it. The rub- can't add it to a bag of fluids, which would be the easiest way to administer it SC. So I just slowly injected it through the injection port nearest the needle. I am not suggesting this is a cure, all I can say is for my cat, it stopped the "tweaker" behavior- the incessant yowling, wanting to play constantly, being hungry but nauseated (it completely stopped vomiting but if I missed a day or two she vomited so I know beyond a doubt the DMSO was controlling this.
So here's the thing I worry about. If we lower T4 are we increasing risk of cancer? The one cat developed cancer while on the DMSO to lower T4. Her T4 never went into the low range as far as I could tell it stayed in the mid to high normal range. A lot of clinics use DMSO to treat cancer, but I don't know if any use it exclusively. I wonder what Ray would say about it. I wonder if these cats aren't becoming hyperthyroid in response to a cancer (or other metabolic disease) risk.
I think hyperthyroidism is created as a way to increase blood flow through compromised kidneys. Renal disease which will be masked by rising T4 levels as this creates more rapid flow through less efficient kidneys. When the T4 is lowered via drugs, often the renal sufficiency is less and kidney disease can become the greater issue (what they call "walking the tapezole tightrope"). Some disagree and say the two conditions are unrelated. Others say that the elevated T4 causes the kidneys to become damaged. To me that makes less sense. The great majority of cats are vaccinated with distemper vaccine which was "proven" to cause autoimmune renal disease because it contains renal cells or cell fragments (the virus was cultured on feline kidney cells). Most cats suffer from kidney damage early in life but it doesn't become apparent via blood tests until they are 10-15 years old- when the majority of the kidney is dysfunctional. I find it hard to believe that elevated T4 which occurs almost exclusively in senior cats is the cause of the renal disease that is bound to occur in most vaccinated cats. (I could be wrong, this is just my gut feeling mixed with what I think is logic).
So how do we prevent renal failure in vaccinated cats? That is the question. How do we stop autoimmunity?
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Thanks, I'll try this. How much is a good amount to add?I just added baking soda to the water and it stopped this...
Thanks, I'll think about subcutaneous DMSO. She's not a very trusting cat so I'm not sure yet how I would do it.
Thanks, I'll try this. How much is a good amount to add?
Thanks, I'll think about subcutaneous DMSO. She's not a very trusting cat so I'm not sure yet how I would do it.
Thanks, I'll try this. How much is a good amount to add?
Thanks for the warning on methylene blue Nikki. Glad that I was very conservative with the dosage rate. Since the kitty has recovered, I can discontinue with the methylene blue. Vitamin C certainly helps a lot. I read that there is a high grade form of Vitamin C that lasts as long as 9 hours in the body. The regular grade Vitamin C, supposedly, lasts only 2 hours in the body, and requires dosing, which makes it difficult when the cat resists being droppered with it. But I couldn't get information on the "high grade" Vitamin C. Could that be DHA or dehydroascorbic acid?I would not give methylene blue except in small doses and for short term. It is toxic to cats (and dogs).
I 1,000% believe in high dose Vitamin C for virus treatment. I used Vitamin C to treat some kittens who were given a death sentence for having FIP. Some Enzymes added to their commercial diet of "high quality" canned and dry food and some Ester C given twice daily kept them alive for months and they gradually got well. When they were adopted out, the rescue operator did not tell the new owners their history. At least one, a beautiful Himi, relapsed with chronic uncontrollable diarrhea and had to be kept in a bathroom. The operator threatened me and warned me not to tell the adopter about what was wrong with her cat. It was then that I found out she adopted out all 6 kittens without telling the adopters they had been very sick before and diagnosed with FIP. FIP is supposed to be 100% fatal so it makes sense that she wouldn't say they had that. but she should have said they were sick and vitamin C and enzymes helped them get through it. Ironically the diarrhea was not made worse by the C. It was bad to begin with but the kittens were able to self hydrate throughtout and eventually had nice firm stool and their swollen bellies returned to normal. It was fantastic to witness.
I don't know much about copper acetate, but appreciate the tip.
In the future, I would use mesosilver to treat either distemper or FIP.
Thank you thank you!