Whats Everyones Thoughts On Covid 19 All These Months Later?

[tankasnowgod]

I think there was a lot going on in NYC, but it's been exaggerated elsewhere.

And how much of that was straight up murder, as Erin Marie Olszewski claimed? There's at least a dozen or so NY and Federal agencies that should have investigated a widely publicized claim like that, but did a single one follow up with those allegations?

 

[Zpol]

But in your previous post you are saying there is in fact a big number of patients in hospital for covid? Am I misreading what you are saying?

Yes I was hearing a lot of contradictory reports.

When I was in Chicago, last April through June, I walked around 3 majors hospitals. They were empty. I called my niece who is a nurse in a major Miami hospital; sher said her hospital was empty too.

This was definitely the case last spring around here. It was eerie.

I think I know what's going on now.
I was on vacation in northern MN last week, no Wi-Fi, no news, got back to WI and people were freaking out. Now I've had more time to look into it. It's true there was a big surge in hospitalizations and a lot more positive test results, but it's not true that that hospitals are filled to capacity. The reason they are looking to get more medical staff to the area is because they are afraid the current staff could get infected and unable to work.

 

[Rand56]

And how much of that was straight up murder, as Erin Marie Olszewski claimed? There's at least a dozen or so NY and Federal agencies that should have investigated a widely publicized claim like that, but did a single one follow up with those allegations?

Murder is a possibility. Arsenic could be used by the psychopaths, afterall, arsenic has been used as a murder weapon for centuries

 

[tankasnowgod]

Murder is a possibility. Arsenic could be used by the psychopaths, afterall, arsenic has been used as a murder weapon for centuries

She wasn't alleging arsenic use, but excessive use of ventilators, and seeing at ventilators had 97% of patients die while one them, it's a pretty reasonable accusation.

 

[jb116]

When I was in Chicago, last April through June, I walked around 3 majors hospitals. They were empty. I called my niece who is a nurse in a major Miami hospital; sher said her hospital was empty too. I think there was a lot going on in NYC, but it's been exaggerated elsewhere.

I work in NYC and make deliveries to numerous hospitals and clinics. At the peak, most of these places were ghost towns. What I noticed is a few major places, like in Queens, had patients redirected there, creating the idea it was a scary pandemic and hospitals were overflowing. From my own experience, not true at all.

 

[boris]

Dr. Reiner Fullmich - the lawyer who beat VW in the emissions scandal, and Deutsche Bank - class action lawsuit for covid-19 'Crime against humanity'

@boris Have you seen this!!

Great development .

But I think it will probably not directly change the situation. Wasn't there something similar in 2001 with many scientist disagreeing with the mainstream explanation?
(I guess it wasn't a lawsuit. Let's see what happens)

 

[boris]

Also, my niece's young friend was rushed to hospital last week with COVID symptoms, she was perfectly fine one day and in the ER the next with

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) – Symptoms
"Look for emergency warning signs* for COVID-19. If someone is showing any of these signs, seek emergency medical care immediately:

• Trouble breathing
• Persistent pain or pressure in the chest
• New confusion
• Inability to wake or stay awake
• Bluish lips or face"

Of course it's possible that she caught a respiratory virus, but all of those symptoms can also be caused by stressful thoughts alone. Many people would never have these symptoms if there was no fear in the first place.

 

[Zpol]

but all of those symptoms can also be caused by stressful thoughts alone

So very true. Makes things tricky.

 

[Kram]

There are no excess deaths. They simply undercounted all-cause mortality (and especially the flu) and transferred those "missing" deaths to COVID-19. If you look at the total numbers (all-cause plus COVID-19) then the numbers are pretty much the same as other years. Peat spoke about that in a recent interview.

I am by no means supporting lockdowns but CDC says there have been 298K excess deaths through October 3rd this year and 198K of those have been due to covid. There are obviously a lot of assumptions they are making in their models and they can skew their analyses so they get preferred outcomes but thought it was interesting. "Excess" deaths could also be attributed to the rapidly declining health of the general population . . .

They also note deaths from circulatory diseases, Alzheimer's, dementia and respiratory disease have increased, which really isn't surprising.

"Finally, estimates of excess deaths attributed to COVID-19 might underestimate the actual number directly attributable to COVID-19, because deaths from other causes might represent misclassified COVID-19–related deaths or deaths indirectly caused by the pandemic. Specifically, deaths from circulatory diseases, Alzheimer disease and dementia, and respiratory diseases have increased in 2020 relative to past years (7), and it is unclear to what extent these represent misclassified COVID-19 deaths or deaths indirectly related to the pandemic (e.g., because of disruptions in health care access or utilization).

Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19, by Age and ...

 

[Regina]

More Plandemic Foreknowledge | Minds

 

[tankasnowgod]

I am by no means supporting lockdowns but CDC says there have been 298K excess deaths through October 3rd this year and 198K of those have been due to covid. There are obviously a lot of assumptions they are making in their models and they can skew their analyses so they get preferred outcomes but thought it was interesting. "Excess" deaths could also be attributed to the rapidly declining health of the general population . . .

They also note deaths from circulatory diseases, Alzheimer's, dementia and respiratory disease have increased, which really isn't surprising.

"Finally, estimates of excess deaths attributed to COVID-19 might underestimate the actual number directly attributable to COVID-19, because deaths from other causes might represent misclassified COVID-19–related deaths or deaths indirectly caused by the pandemic. Specifically, deaths from circulatory diseases, Alzheimer disease and dementia, and respiratory diseases have increased in 2020 relative to past years (7), and it is unclear to what extent these represent misclassified COVID-19 deaths or deaths indirectly related to the pandemic (e.g., because of disruptions in health care access or utilization).

Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19, by Age and ...

You don't have to read further than the first line to know that that paper is garbage.

"As of October 15, 216,025 deaths from coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) have been reported in the United States*;"

100% False. That number is deaths "involving" or "associated" with COVID-19. Not necessarily "from" The source for that claim is the CDC Statracker. If they are starting off with massive lie as the premise of their paper, the rest of it can be totally discounted.

 

[Spondive]

Murder is a possibility. Arsenic could be used by the psychopaths, afterall, arsenic has been used as a murder weapon for centuries

Interesting thought... I was thinking some poison at least in the beginning given that viruses maybe a fraud meaning there is no such thing as pathogenicity and contagion

 

[Spondive]

I work in NYC and make deliveries to numerous hospitals and clinics. At the peak, most of these places were ghost towns. What I noticed is a few major places, like in Queens, had patients redirected there, creating the idea it was a scary pandemic and hospitals were overflowing. From my own experience, not true at all.

I agree that most Patients were transferred into a limited Few hospitals in the big cities from around the state to make it seem like there was not enough icu space... under the guise of not being able to handle these patients in more rural parts of the states... also nursing homes

 

[Homo Consumericus]

I am by no means supporting lockdowns but CDC says there have been 298K excess deaths through October 3rd this year and 198K of those have been due to covid. There are obviously a lot of assumptions they are making in their models and they can skew their analyses so they get preferred outcomes but thought it was interesting. "Excess" deaths could also be attributed to the rapidly declining health of the general population . . .

They also note deaths from circulatory diseases, Alzheimer's, dementia and respiratory disease have increased, which really isn't surprising.

"Finally, estimates of excess deaths attributed to COVID-19 might underestimate the actual number directly attributable to COVID-19, because deaths from other causes might represent misclassified COVID-19–related deaths or deaths indirectly caused by the pandemic. Specifically, deaths from circulatory diseases, Alzheimer disease and dementia, and respiratory diseases have increased in 2020 relative to past years (7), and it is unclear to what extent these represent misclassified COVID-19 deaths or deaths indirectly related to the pandemic (e.g., because of disruptions in health care access or utilization).

Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19, by Age and ...

Show us total mortality this year (a chart with the total number of actual deaths from all causes this year) compared with last 3-5 years. In Northwest Europe, usually the discussion already ends there because there are no excess deaths (total mortality is right in line with the last 3 years).

ARD: German Scientists Call for Second Corona Phase

Things can get tricky in other world regions once deaths from heart disease, cancer, suicide, etc start to double, triple, quadruple-- especially if they are dishonestly labelled covid deaths-- so I'm happy to dig into that with you if necessary.

Ranglijst doodsoorzaken op basis van sterfte | Volksgezondheidenzorg.info

Don't forget that the flu season has mysteriously vanished this year; while in 2018 the flu killed 8000 in the Netherlands, this year it has miraculously killed only a fraction of that! (at the same time, purely incidental no doubt, a grand total of 6500 people have died with the devastating covid).

https://www.dvhn.nl/groningen/Is-de-griep-na-ruim-8.000-doden-eindelijk-op-zijn-retour-23075433.html?harvest_referrer=https://www.google.com/

 

[Kram]

Show us total mortality this year (a chart with the total number of actual deaths from all causes this year) compared with last 3-5 years. In Northwest Europe, usually the discussion already ends there because there are no excess deaths (total mortality is right in line with the last 3 years).

ARD: German Scientists Call for Second Corona Phase

Things can get tricky in other world regions once deaths from heart disease, cancer, suicide, etc start to double, triple, quadruple-- especially if they are dishonestly labelled covid deaths-- so I'm happy to dig into that with you if necessary.

Ranglijst doodsoorzaken op basis van sterfte | Volksgezondheidenzorg.info

Don't forget that the flu season has mysteriously vanished this year; while in 2018 the flu killed 8000 in the Netherlands, this year it has miraculously killed only a fraction of that! (at the same time, purely incidental no doubt, a grand total of 6500 people have died with the devastating covid).

https://www.dvhn.nl/groningen/Is-de-griep-na-ruim-8.000-doden-eindelijk-op-zijn-retour-23075433.html?harvest_referrer=https://www.google.com/

@tankasnowgod

Total U.S. mortality from Jan 1 through Sept 30 of each year (from CDC data files):

2017: 2,037,582
2018: 2,129,649
2019: 2,128,698
2020: 2,429,584

2017-2019 Average through Sept 30: 2,098,643
2020 Excess Mortality through Sept 30: ~330k


Month Year Deaths
1 2017 178,744
2 2017 234,688
3 2017 228,906
4 2017 272,644
5 2017 208,511
6 2017 205,153
7 2017 251,689
8 2017 200,536
9 2017 256,711
1 2018 261,745
2 2018 240,233
3 2018 281,512
4 2018 218,780
5 2018 207,895
6 2018 257,024
7 2018 204,312
8 2018 202,941
9 2018 255,207
1 2019 233,375
2 2019 233,194
3 2019 288,778
4 2019 220,724
5 2019 215,232
6 2019 263,714
7 2019 208,192
8 2019 256,987
9 2019 208,502
1 2020 239,321
2 2020 295,006
3 2020 240,325
4 2020 301,678
5 2020 323,290
6 2020 234,367
7 2020 250,340
8 2020 313,706
9 2020 231,551

 

[tankasnowgod]

@tankasnowgod

Total U.S. mortality from Jan 1 through Sept 30 of each year (from CDC data files):

2017: 2,037,582
2018: 2,129,649
2019: 2,128,698
2020: 2,429,584

2017-2019 Average through Sept 30: 2,098,643
2020 Excess Mortality through Sept 30: ~330k


Month Year Deaths
1 2017 178,744
2 2017 234,688
3 2017 228,906
4 2017 272,644
5 2017 208,511
6 2017 205,153
7 2017 251,689
8 2017 200,536
9 2017 256,711
1 2018 261,745
2 2018 240,233
3 2018 281,512
4 2018 218,780
5 2018 207,895
6 2018 257,024
7 2018 204,312
8 2018 202,941
9 2018 255,207
1 2019 233,375
2 2019 233,194
3 2019 288,778
4 2019 220,724
5 2019 215,232
6 2019 263,714
7 2019 208,192
8 2019 256,987
9 2019 208,502
1 2020 239,321
2 2020 295,006
3 2020 240,325
4 2020 301,678
5 2020 323,290
6 2020 234,367
7 2020 250,340
8 2020 313,706
9 2020 231,551

First off, your 2020 figure isn't correct. According to this CDC chart, the total mortality in mid October is 2,272,323. Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

So, there is at least a variation of 150,000 deaths in these estimates, apparently from the same agency.

And second.......So what? The government has been running a few MEDICAL EXPERIMENTS during that time, so it could easily be due to lockdowns. Hey, did you notice that Excess Mortality only started to go up AFTER Government's enacted these EXPERIMENTS on their citizens (without any sort of informed consent, mind you). So if there is an excess mortality of 200-300,000 for the year (which still may not be the case, these are provisional counts, and the year end figure might still be pretty close to the 2.8 Million deaths that normally happen in the US), it still doesn't mean there is some "Novel" virus out there. More likely that it's excess deaths due to Democide.

And third, you know what NONE of those estimates are? In the neighborhood of 4.2 Million or higher. That's significant, because it was the prediction by Neil Fergeuson that 2 Million Americans were going to die FROM the so called "Novel" Corona Virus before summer. That didn't happen. Nothing even close to that happened, not even with all the manipulation of death numbers.

 

[Kram]

First off, your 2020 figure isn't correct. According to this CDC chart, the total mortality in mid October is 2,272,323. Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

So, there is at least a variation of 150,000 deaths in these estimates, apparently from the same agency.

And second.......So what? The government has been running a few MEDICAL EXPERIMENTS during that time, so it could easily be due to lockdowns. Hey, did you notice that Excess Mortality only started to go up AFTER Government's enacted these EXPERIMENTS on their citizens (without any sort of informed consent, mind you). So if there is an excess mortality of 200-300,000 for the year (which still may not be the case, these are provisional counts, and the year end figure might still be pretty close to the 2.8 Million deaths that normally happen in the US), it still doesn't mean there is some "Novel" virus out there. More likely that it's excess deaths due to Democide.

And third, you know what NONE of those estimates are? In the neighborhood of 4.2 Million or higher. That's significant, because it was the prediction by Neil Fergeuson that 2 Million Americans were going to die FROM the so called "Novel" Corona Virus before summer. That didn't happen. Nothing even close to that happened, not even with all the manipulation of death numbers.

Not looking to argue...this is just what the data shows as you were dismissive of the previous ~300k excess mortality estimate (and I also questioned it). I don't claim to know why more people are dying. Maybe it has to do with covid, maybe not.

 

[Kram]

Not looking to argue...this is just what the data they have shows as you were dismissive of their ~300

First off, your 2020 figure isn't correct. According to this CDC chart, the total mortality in mid October is 2,272,323. Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

So, there is at least a variation of 150,000 deaths in these estimates, apparently from the same agency.

I believe your number is missing most of January as it is week ending 2/1 through mid October

 

[tankasnowgod]

Not looking to argue...this is just what the data shows as you were dismissive of the previous ~300k excess mortality estimate (and I also questioned it). I don't claim to know why more people are dying. Maybe it has to do with covid, maybe not.

The problem is, these are provisional counts, and I showed you another estimate that's about 150,000 total deaths lower than your estimate (including 2 weeks in October) from the same agency. These numbers could go up as more cases are found and reported from this period, and could also go down, as they realize that some cases were counted twice. So, there may not be any real excess deaths.

 

[ThinPicking]

Just saw this weird ***t on terrestrial TV in the UK.

Clearly everything is fine and there's nothing to be concerned about.