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It is becoming apparent that in the near term it may be necessary to have a Covid 19 vaccine in order to access certain privileges and opportunities we formerly took for granted. I want to have a thread dedicated to a) sorting through the risks posed by various vaccines and b) the proposition of whether to get a vaccine.
What I respectfully ask is that the thread not become:
--about whether Covid 19 is real
--about whether Covid 19 is dangerous
--about the origins of Covid 19
--about George Soros, Bill Gates, Donald Trump, etc.
--about whether masks are effective or not
--about vaccines in general
--about rights, government, spies, conspiracies, etc.
Those are all valid topics, but I am trying to keep things focused on the personal decision. And those threads already exist.
So, here are my preliminary thoughts. There are 3 leading vaccines in the west: Pfizer (P), Moderna (M) and Astrazeneca (AZ). P and M use an mRNA approach that has never been used before. Ever. Dr. Peat has expressed alarm that their genes could be expressed by human DNA. Our genes have incorporated DNA from many (viral) invaders over the millenia. So this is not a crazy idea. Could those genes be expressed down the line, perhaps in response to some stressor? Causing a catecholamine storm that is deadly or disabling? Could they be incorporated into human DNA of future generations with similar results?
On the one hand, this seems somewhat alarmist and reactionary. On the other hand, am I confident that smart people who say "these are safe" actually have the abilities required and have taken the steps to determine that this is, in fact, safe? No. Not even close to confident in that.
P and M also use a really strong dose of polyethylene glycol (PEG) as a preservative (as well as ridiculously cold temps) because this stuff is insanely unstable. PEG is a true irritant, capable of triggering a catecholamine storm by itself in some people (although that is extreme, but nearly everybody will have an inflammatory reaction to it). At least it is something the body can detox fairly rapidly, compared to thimerosal for example.
AZ on the other hand has taken a strand of the spike protein the coronavirus uses to attach to ACE receptors and combined it with a harmless adenovirus. Using an adenovirus to introduce a portion of a dangerous virus so that the immune system learns to recognize it, w/o the risk of the actual virus. I have not yet been able to find out if AZ is using a preservative, but this method is much more stable than the M/P method.
All in all, I am kind of a "no f'ing way" on the P/M vaccs at this time. The AZ vacc doesn't scare me as much. Based on current knowledge.
Where I am on risk/reward assessment is that I am not rushing out to get any of these for me or my family. However, I do think it is possible that the decision will be pressed at some point. Hence doing this work. Very interested in what others have to say?
Special thanks to @jamies33 for bringing this up in a different thread and inspiring me to make this thread.
What I respectfully ask is that the thread not become:
--about whether Covid 19 is real
--about whether Covid 19 is dangerous
--about the origins of Covid 19
--about George Soros, Bill Gates, Donald Trump, etc.
--about whether masks are effective or not
--about vaccines in general
--about rights, government, spies, conspiracies, etc.
Those are all valid topics, but I am trying to keep things focused on the personal decision. And those threads already exist.
So, here are my preliminary thoughts. There are 3 leading vaccines in the west: Pfizer (P), Moderna (M) and Astrazeneca (AZ). P and M use an mRNA approach that has never been used before. Ever. Dr. Peat has expressed alarm that their genes could be expressed by human DNA. Our genes have incorporated DNA from many (viral) invaders over the millenia. So this is not a crazy idea. Could those genes be expressed down the line, perhaps in response to some stressor? Causing a catecholamine storm that is deadly or disabling? Could they be incorporated into human DNA of future generations with similar results?
On the one hand, this seems somewhat alarmist and reactionary. On the other hand, am I confident that smart people who say "these are safe" actually have the abilities required and have taken the steps to determine that this is, in fact, safe? No. Not even close to confident in that.
P and M also use a really strong dose of polyethylene glycol (PEG) as a preservative (as well as ridiculously cold temps) because this stuff is insanely unstable. PEG is a true irritant, capable of triggering a catecholamine storm by itself in some people (although that is extreme, but nearly everybody will have an inflammatory reaction to it). At least it is something the body can detox fairly rapidly, compared to thimerosal for example.
AZ on the other hand has taken a strand of the spike protein the coronavirus uses to attach to ACE receptors and combined it with a harmless adenovirus. Using an adenovirus to introduce a portion of a dangerous virus so that the immune system learns to recognize it, w/o the risk of the actual virus. I have not yet been able to find out if AZ is using a preservative, but this method is much more stable than the M/P method.
All in all, I am kind of a "no f'ing way" on the P/M vaccs at this time. The AZ vacc doesn't scare me as much. Based on current knowledge.
Where I am on risk/reward assessment is that I am not rushing out to get any of these for me or my family. However, I do think it is possible that the decision will be pressed at some point. Hence doing this work. Very interested in what others have to say?
Special thanks to @jamies33 for bringing this up in a different thread and inspiring me to make this thread.