Covid-19 Vaccines May Have Potentially Unpleasant Side Effects

Mito

Member
Joined
Dec 10, 2016
Messages
1,705
“Pfizer is expected to seek federal permission to release its Covid-19 vaccine by the end of November, a move that holds promise for quelling the pandemic but also sets up a tight time frame to make sure consumers understand what it will mean to get the shots.

The vaccine, and likely most others, will require two doses to work, injections that must be given weeks apart, company protocols show. Scientists anticipate that the shots will cause enervating flu-like side effects — including sore arms, muscle aches and fever — that could last days and temporarily sideline some people from work or school. And even if a vaccine proves 90 percent effective, the rate Pfizer touted for its product, 1 in 10 recipients would still be vulnerable. That means, at least in the short term, as population-level immunity grows, people can't stop social distancing and throw away their masks.

Left out so far in the push to develop vaccines with unprecedented speed has been a large-scale plan to communicate effectively about those issues in advance, said Saad Omer, director of the Yale Institute for Global Health.”

“How public health experts explain such effects is important, Omer said. "There's evidence that suggests that if you frame pain as a proxy of effectiveness, it's helpful," he said. "If it's hurting a little, it's working."
A Covid-19 vaccine may cause unpleasant side effects. People should be prepared, scientists say.
 

schultz

Member
Joined
Jul 29, 2014
Messages
2,416
It seems most people who "catch" COVID are asymptomatic. I find it amusing that this vaccine will cause flu like symptoms for a large part of the world when most of these people would have had no symptoms from the COVID virus itself.
 

Giraffe

Member
Joined
Jun 20, 2015
Messages
2,952
Did The Oxford Covid Vaccine Work In Monkeys? Not Really (forbes.com)

They started phase 1 and phase 2 trials before the preclinical trials (animal) were completed.

The article discusses the results from the preclinical trials:

All of the vaccinated monkeys treated with the Oxford vaccine became infected when challenged, as judged by recovery of virus genomic RNA from nasal secretions. There was no difference in the amount of viral RNA detected from this site in the vaccinated monkeys as compared to the unvaccinated animals. Which is to say, all vaccinated animals were infected.

The vaccinated and control animals were followed for clinical signs of infection for seven days post infection. One clinical sign of infection in rhesus monkeys is breathing rate. Monkeys ill from SARS-CoV-2 infection breathe more rapidly than normal. By this measure 3 of the 6 vaccinated monkeys were clinically ill, the remaining three were not clinically distinguishable from the unvaccinated animals.

At day seven post challenge the animals were euthanized and examined for lung damage. Two of the three unvaccinated animals “developed some degree of interstitial pneumonia” as judged by pathological examination of the lungs. No such damage was observed in any of the vaccinated animals.

It is encouraging that no evidence of vaccine induced disease enhancement was observed in either the Sinovac vaccine nor the Oxford trials. However, experience with other vaccines tells us that is not a firm guarantee that such will be the case for humans.
I thought that ferrets are the best animal model for viral infections of the lung. Why did they use monkeys?

...

Ferret models of viral pathogenesis
The ferret model also remains the gold standard for efficacy assessments of new vaccine strategies and therapeutic approaches.
 

Giraffe

Member
Joined
Jun 20, 2015
Messages
2,952
The Coronavirus Vaccine Uncensored | Robert F. Kennedy Jr. & Del Bigtree

Robert Kennedy Jr. and Del Bigtree talk about the above mentioned risk of disease enhancement.

Robert Kennedy Jr:
Governments have been trying for almost 30 years to develop a corona vaccine and it's been unsuccessful. And beginning in 2002 there were three outbreaks of corona virus called SARS at that point and MERS. The first SARS was a natural illness. It jumped from a bat to human beings. The second two were lab-created escaped and infected human beings. The governments of China and a consortium of Western governments, all got together and put millions and millions of dollars into an effort to develop a corona virus vaccine.

And between 2002 and 2012, 2014 they worked very hard to do that and what happened is: they developed about 35 vaccines and four of them were really promising. They chose the four most promising and they gave them to ferrets which are which is the animal that is most analogous to human beings when it comes to upper lung respiratory infections. The ferrets had a brilliant robust and durable anybody response. Then something horrible happened: When those ferrets were challenged when they were exposed to the wild virus they got horribly sick. They got the inflammation throughout their bodies and they died.

Now scientists remembered that something very similar had happened in 1960s when they had developed a vaccine for RSV which is very similar to coronavirus. It's an upper respiratory infection ailment. They had skipped the animals and gave them directly to 35 children. And the children again had developed a very robust to anybody response, but when those children were exposed to the wild virus they got very, very sick, much sicker than unvaccinated children two of those kids had died. It was a scandal. And they realized when the same thing happened with the ferrets that there was something that they called "enhanced immune response". It's also called "pathogenic priming". And what it means is, when you get the vaccine it appears that you of an antibody response, but when you actually encounter the wild virus you become much sicker. It actually creates a pathway that that virus hurts you a lot more than with unvaccinated people. So this was 2012. In 2014, NIH under Fauci developed a dengue vaccine which had some signals in it there were pathogenic priming. In other words, in the clinical trials they saw some signs that you could get an antibody response, but get much sicker when you were exposed, but they ignored them. They gave it to the Philippines, and they gave hundreds of thousands of children this vaccine. And when the dengue came around those children became horribly ill and 600 of them died. And in the Philippines today, people are being criminally prosecuted for that.

So the danger with the coronavirus vaccine is that you really need to test on animals first to make sure whatever the vaccine is that we don't get that, you know that really great immune response followed by lethal infections. And it's very, very strange to me and seems almost criminally reckless Anthony Fauci is allowing these companies to skip animal trials and to go directly to human trials.

Del Bigtree: If you think [...] about how dangerous that is. They will say to you, every scientist involved says, "We don't know why this antibody immune enhancement reactions happened." They don't know why it happens. So imagine you have a hundred companies right now in this amazing race to make a vaccine that could literally make them about 750 billion dollars, if they win. But what happens if they're testing it on a virus, right? They are going after specific virus. We now have thirty mutations already of coronavirus, some of them very significant changes in the protein. What happens if you made a vaccine that actually gets over this problem, that they know it's a problem. Tony Fauci is saying publicly. There's a chance that this could make people more sick, so we got to be very careful. What happens if they think they got around it, right? And they put out the vaccine. Bill Gates gets his wish and Tony Fauci that everyone is forced to take it around the world. Then all the sudden a mutation comes around and we start seeing it trigger this in antibody immune enhancement in people that were vaccinated. Only problem now is we've all gotten this vaccine and now we're not having 0,1 to 0,3 % death rate. It's 20 % or 30 %. People are having the same issue as the ferrets. You could honestly wipe out our species with a vaccine that was rushed to market, that didn't do proper safety testing, and that's exactly what they're describing this as. They're putting two of the most dangerous words together in every article about this vaccine: "Rushing" and "science". Those two words should never be in a sentence together.
 

Nighteyes

Member
Joined
Sep 5, 2015
Messages
349
Location
Europe
It seems most people who "catch" COVID are asymptomatic. I find it amusing that this vaccine will cause flu like symptoms for a large part of the world when most of these people would have had no symptoms from the COVID virus itself.

I found that entertaining as well :lol: a lot of people truly believe that a coming vaccine is the only saviour for us all. They’ll be tripping over each other to be the first “lucky ones” :stickwhack
 

johnwester130

Member
Joined
Aug 6, 2015
Messages
2,769

The virus does not exist - COVID is a giant occult satanic ritual.

Our repressed subconscious emotions and subconscious trauma are reflected in symbology,
government and their actions - and this includes COVID.

Pizzagate, Epstein, Clinton (a serial killer, paedophile and Satanist)
and the Royal Family are the representations of the suppressed subconscious.

There is no virus that we can solve in a lab with vaccines, vitamin D, glycine, PUFA depletion, angiostenin systems, etc
 

Lejeboca

Member
Joined
Jun 19, 2017
Messages
580
The Coronavirus Vaccine Uncensored | Robert F. Kennedy Jr. & Del Bigtree

Robert Kennedy Jr. and Del Bigtree talk about the above mentioned risk of disease enhancement.

Robert Kennedy Jr: Governments have been trying for almost 30 years to develop a corona vaccine and it's been unsuccessful. And beginning in 2002 there were three outbreaks of corona virus called SARS at that point and MERS. The first SARS was a natural illness. It jumped from a bat to human beings. The second two were lab-created escaped and infected human beings. The governments of China and a consortium of Western governments, all got together and put millions and millions of dollars into an effort to develop a corona virus vaccine.

And between 2002 and 2012, 2014 they worked very hard to do that and what happened is: they developed about 35 vaccines and four of them were really promising. They chose the four most promising and they gave them to ferrets which are which is the animal that is most analogous to human beings when it comes to upper lung respiratory infections. The ferrets had a brilliant robust and durable anybody response. Then something horrible happened: When those ferrets were challenged when they were exposed to the wild virus they got horribly sick. They got the inflammation throughout their bodies and they died.

Now scientists remembered that something very similar had happened in 1960s when they had developed a vaccine for RSV which is very similar to coronavirus. It's an upper respiratory infection ailment. They had skipped the animals and gave them directly to 35 children. And the children again had developed a very robust to anybody response, but when those children were exposed to the wild virus they got very, very sick, much sicker than unvaccinated children two of those kids had died. It was a scandal. And they realized when the same thing happened with the ferrets that there was something that they called "enhanced immune response". It's also called "pathogenic priming". And what it means is, when you get the vaccine it appears that you of an antibody response, but when you actually encounter the wild virus you become much sicker. It actually creates a pathway that that virus hurts you a lot more than with unvaccinated people. So this was 2012. In 2014, NIH under Fauci developed a dengue vaccine which had some signals in it there were pathogenic priming. In other words, in the clinical trials they saw some signs that you could get an antibody response, but get much sicker when you were exposed, but they ignored them. They gave it to the Philippines, and they gave hundreds of thousands of children this vaccine. And when the dengue came around those children became horribly ill and 600 of them died. And in the Philippines today, people are being criminally prosecuted for that.

So the danger with the coronavirus vaccine is that you really need to test on animals first to make sure whatever the vaccine is that we don't get that, you know that really great immune response followed by lethal infections. And it's very, very strange to me and seems almost criminally reckless Anthony Fauci is allowing these companies to skip animal trials and to go directly to human trials.

Del Bigtree: If you think [...] about how dangerous that is. They will say to you, every scientist involved says, "We don't know why this antibody immune enhancement reactions happened." They don't know why it happens. So imagine you have a hundred companies right now in this amazing race to make a vaccine that could literally make them about 750 billion dollars, if they win. But what happens if they're testing it on a virus, right? They are going after specific virus. We now have thirty mutations already of coronavirus, some of them very significant changes in the protein. What happens if you made a vaccine that actually gets over this problem, that they know it's a problem. Tony Fauci is saying publicly. There's a chance that this could make people more sick, so we got to be very careful. What happens if they think they got around it, right? And they put out the vaccine. Bill Gates gets his wish and Tony Fauci that everyone is forced to take it around the world. Then all the sudden a mutation comes around and we start seeing it trigger this in antibody immune enhancement in people that were vaccinated. Only problem now is we've all gotten this vaccine and now we're not having 0,1 to 0,3 % death rate. It's 20 % or 30 %. People are having the same issue as the ferrets. You could honestly wipe out our species with a vaccine that was rushed to market, that didn't do proper safety testing, and that's exactly what they're describing this as. They're putting two of the most dangerous words together in every article about this vaccine: "Rushing" and "science". Those two words should never be in a sentence together.

Similar warning coming from Dr James Lyons-Weiler for older adults

And to add reference to his paper

Abstract: Homology between human and viral proteins is an established factor in viral- or vaccine-induced autoimmunity. Failure of SARS and MERS vaccines in animal trials involved pathogenesis consistent with an immunological priming that could involve autoimmunity in lung tissues due to previous exposure to the SARS and MERS spike protein. Exposure pathogenesis to SARS-CoV-2 in COVID-19 likely will lead to similar outcomes. Immunogenic peptides in viruses or bacteria that match human proteins are good candidates for pathogenic priming peptides (similar to the more diffuse idea of "immune enhancement"). Here I provide an assessment of potential for human pathogenesis via autoimmunity via exposure, via infection or injection. SAR-CoV-2 spike proteins, and all other SARS-CoV-2 proteins, immunogenic epitopes in each SARS-CoV-2 protein were compared to human proteins in search of high local homologous matching. Only one immunogenic epitope in a SARS-CoV-2 had no homology to human proteins. If all of the parts of the epitopes that are homologous to human proteins are excluded from consideration due to risk of pathogenic priming, the remaining immunogenic parts of the epitopes may be still immunogenic and remain as potentially viable candidates for vaccine development. Mapping of the genes encoding human protein matches to pathways point to targets that could explain the observed presentation of symptoms in COVID-19 disease. It also strongly points to a large number of opportunities for expected disturbances in the immune system itself, targeting elements of MHC Class I and Class II antigen presentation, PD-1 signaling, cross-presentation of soluble exogenous antigens and the ER-Phagosome pathway. Translational consequences of these findings are explored.
 
Similar threads
Thread starter Title Forum Replies Date
F CDC: "COVID-19 mRNA vaccines have been rigorously tested for safety" Articles & Scientific Studies 4
ecstatichamster ELI5: Help me demolish the claim that covid vaccines are 95% effective Miscellaneous Health Discussions 27
bzmazu Warning: Covid Vaccines! Huge Risks, Huge Injuries – Huge Compensations? Viruses, Parasites, Fungus, Vaccines 0
managing Risk/Reward Analysis and Personal Decision Making on Covid 19 Vaccines Viruses, Parasites, Fungus, Vaccines 4
Mito Demand For COVID Vaccines Expected To Get Heated Miscellaneous Health Discussions 19
Drareg COVID Mutation In Danish Mink,Vaccines? Articles & Scientific Studies 0
haidut Pre-existing COVID-19 Immunity In 20%-50% Of People - Better Than Vaccines? Scientific Studies 19
David PS COVID-19 Vaccines With “minor Side Effects” Vaccines 37
Lejeboca ORN 2020-06-15: Dr. Peat On COVID Testing, Exosomes, EMFs, Gray Hair, Vaccines, Aging Audio Interview Transcripts 2
K Keeping Covid antibodies? Supplements, Pharmaceutical Drugs 0
R Blocking Covid vaccine Vaccines 16
A Covid 19 pneumonia Supplements, Pharmaceutical Drugs 39
H Moderna CEO says the world will have to live with Covid ‘forever’ Society 4
Mito S.F. Millennial was fit and healthy before COVID-19. He’s a disabled ‘long-hauler’ now. Miscellaneous Health Discussions 77
Lokzo Network machine learning maps phytochemically rich “Hyperfoods” to fight COVID-19 Diet 1
A Miami doctor dies after receiving Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine. He developed thrombocytopenic purpura, a blood disorder where the spleem kills all plateles Vaccines 11
Mito Serotonin is elevated in COVID- 19-associated diarrhoea Miscellaneous Health Discussions 26
Giraffe Covid-19 vaccine: AstraZeneca ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine (AZD1222) aka Oxford vaccine Viruses, Parasites, Fungus, Vaccines 10
J Covid Vaccine - Why Not - In Laymans Terms Vaccines 54
B Why should everyone get a vaccine (covid-19) when a small percentage is the "problem"? Vaccines 17
Mito Why an antidepressant (SSRI) could be used to treat COVID-19 Miscellaneous Health Discussions 13
P Masturbation cures Covid Viruses, Parasites, Fungus, Vaccines 13
md_a ACE/ACE2 Ratio: A Key Also in 2019 Coronavirus Disease (Covid-19)? Scientific Studies 1
F Tennessee Nurse Manager Passes Out on Camera After Receiving Pfizer COVID Vaccine Miscellaneous Health Discussions 14
haidut Progesterone and allpregnanolone are protective against COVID-19 Scientific Studies 15
RealNeat Zach Bush MD has COVID/ Viruses/ Germ Theory figured out. Viruses, Parasites, Fungus, Vaccines 5
J Spate of strange Covid-related deaths in Russia Articles & Scientific Studies 0
K Theory: The Covid-Vaccine works, but not for what you think Political Talk, Alternative World Theories 26
Lokzo COVID‐19 pneumonia causes lower testosterone levels - PUBMED 2020 Scientific Studies 4
haidut COVID-19 vaccine(s) makes people test positive on an HIV test Miscellaneous Health Discussions 91
bzmazu COVID-19? Survival Requires Energy Viruses, Parasites, Fungus, Vaccines 5
johnwester130 theory - they created COVID because we are at peak human consciousness Political Talk, Alternative World Theories 10
Mito Alaska health care worker suffers adverse reaction after COVID-19 vaccine Vaccines 9
F Covid-19 & male fertility Viruses, Parasites, Fungus, Vaccines 2
MyUsernameHere Bioactive monolaurin as an antimicrobial and its potential to improve the immune system and against COVID-19: a review Scientific Studies 3
youngsinatra List Of Actions To Prevent Severe COVID-19 Viruses, Parasites, Fungus, Vaccines 48
Lynne Existing antihistamine drugs show effectiveness against COVID-19 virus in cell testing Articles & Scientific Studies 40
S Pacific Crest Trail & Covid-19 Viruses, Parasites, Fungus, Vaccines 5
J CNN: ‘Don’t Be Alarmed’ if People Start Dying After Taking the COVID Vaccine Miscellaneous Health Discussions 3
ecstatichamster Yet another stupid asymptomatic spread Covid study Articles & Scientific Studies 8
Drareg Wokism is profitable, Ilhan Omar’s husband ‘got $635k in Covid bailout Miscellaneous 6
N COVID Whistle Blower RAIDED with Gestapo Tactics! Political Talk, Alternative World Theories 8
Giraffe We don't need Covid-20. We just carry on with Covid-19. Viruses, Parasites, Fungus, Vaccines 5
mrchibbs COVID-19 Retrospective Video Project: A Contrarian View Of The COVID-19 Experience Miscellaneous Health Discussions 7
P I'm Not Getting The Covid-19 Vaccine Will I Be Able To Fly By The End Of January Supplements, Pharmaceutical Drugs 56
M Covid Intubation Cause Of Panicking? Ask For Help or Advice 27
ecstatichamster Priest Dies After Getting Moderna Covid Vaccine Viruses, Parasites, Fungus, Vaccines 42
Giraffe Pfizer/BioNTech’s COVID-19 Vaccine Approved In The UK, Rollout Next Week Vaccines 24
haidut More Japanese Suicides In October, Than COVID-19 Deaths In Entire 2020 Scientific Studies 6
Giraffe Could The Covid-'Vaccine' Make Females Infertile? Viruses, Parasites, Fungus, Vaccines 5

Similar threads

Top