Tap water in Europe

[GreekDemiGod]

Been reading how tap water in the US is awful, filled with all kinds of xenoestrogens, added fluoride. But how about other parts of the world? Is tap water that bad everywhere?
For example, in my country, they don't add fluoride to tap water, but I'm assuming it can still contain all kinds of xenoestrogens and heavy metals too.

 

[FitnessMike]

best to assume its same ***t, use reverse osmosis bro man

 

[LadyRae]

Been reading how tap water in the US is awful, filled with all kinds of xenoestrogens, added fluoride. But how about other parts of the world? Is tap water that bad everywhere?
For example, in my country, they don't add fluoride to tap water, but I'm assuming it can still contain all kinds of xenoestrogens and heavy metals too.

Well the US is a very big place. My tap water doesn't have any fluoride... It comes from a giant underground aquifer.

Tap water is going to vary dramatically from location to location. I suppose I would recommend getting yours tested

 

[Perry Staltic]

Depends on what there is upstream of the water intake dumping into it. With some variations, about all that water treatment plants do is remove dissolved/suspended solids and add disinfectant. It's your job to remove chemicals and other stuff.

 

[Doer]

Bump

 

[L_C]

You can use ewg to figure out what's in your tap water: EWG's Tap Water Database: What's in Your Drinking Water?

 

[A-Tim]

best to assume its same ***t, use reverse osmosis bro man

This. Best to filter tap water. By the time it's coming out of your tap, it tends to be full of junk.

 

[Christopher R.]

Based on the taste, many people say that the tap water in Scotland is very good. But I understand they say that about New York water too.

 

[Kyle970]

U.S. based, can confirm. Sometimes when I brush my teeth, the water reaks of chlorine etc. Out in a county even, not city water. Looking up what all is added on the Berkey website for zip codes I've lived at was alarming to say the least.

 

[A-Tim]

As an interesting aside, my dad was an executive in a local water authority in his past life. He was and still is very "pro" water treatment. He's a smart guy, much smarter than most people, but at the end of the day, he's a specialist in engineering and management. He lacked the skepticism, knowledge, curiosity, incentives, and time to investigate alternative positions on water treatment and their effects on humans over longer spans of time.

I mention this for two reasons. First, because sometimes red-pilled folk can forget that a lot of problems arise out of stupidity rather than malice (although malice definitely plays a role, and often it's a combo of both). Second, there really does seem to be very little thought that has gone in to water treatment with respect to long term health. It seems to mostly be about acute health - aka don't kill people via infection. And "protect teeth with fluoride".

 

[Peatress]

As an interesting aside, my dad was an executive in a local water authority in his past life. He was and still is very "pro" water treatment. He's a smart guy, much smarter than most people, but at the end of the day, he's a specialist in engineering and management. He lacked the skepticism, knowledge, curiosity, incentives, and time to investigate alternative positions on water treatment and their effects on humans over longer spans of time.

I mention this for two reasons. First, because sometimes red-pilled folk can forget that a lot of problems arise out of stupidity rather than malice (although malice definitely plays a role, and often it's a combo of both). Second, there really does seem to be very little thought that has gone in to water treatment with respect to long term health. It seems to mostly be about acute health - aka don't kill people via infection. And "protect teeth with fluoride".

When you say your father believes in water treatment do you mean fluoride? If so if you showed him data that showed the harm fluoridate water caused do you think he would reconsider?

 

[A-Tim]

Yeah, fluoride is one of the things he thinks is good about water treatment. He pre-supposes it as a beneficial thing, and begins his reasoning from there.

He has moved into the waste/recyling sector now, so I think he's unwilling to put much thought into it as a practical matter. When we're on long car trips together, we'll often shoot the ***t, and fluoride has come up. I took the "it's a dumb idea, we should stop it" position and he started with the "it's good for your teeth" position. I doubt I changed his mind.

If he were still in the industry, I think he would have been more considerate to the alternative position now. First, because he's getting older now, his priority towards health has increased. Second, being an executive means you have power, and having power means you have a much higher chance of making change.

 

[Peatress]

Yeah, fluoride is one of the things he thinks is good about water treatment. He pre-supposes it as a beneficial thing, and begins his reasoning from there.

He has moved into the waste/recyling sector now, so I think he's unwilling to put much thought into it as a practical matter. When we're on long car trips together, we'll often shoot the ***t, and fluoride has come up. I took the "it's a dumb idea, we should stop it" position and he started with the "it's good for your teeth" position. I doubt I changed his mind.

If he were still in the industry, I think he would have been more considerate to the alternative position now. First, because he's getting older now, his priority towards health has increased. Second, being an executive means you have power, and having power means you have a much higher chance of making change.

Thank you. Interesting. At the end of the day the decision to fluoridate water is made by governments not executives (unless you are Bill Gates then you can do almost anything you want).

 

[A-Tim]

Thank you. Interesting. At the end of the day the decision to fluoridate water is made by governments not executives (unless you are Bill Gates then you can do almost anything you want).

Yep water exec positions are undeniably political positions. Still, the CEO has a lot of power. You'd be surprised by how much they can get done.

The way I'd start doing it:
1) Allocate funds from budget (usually multi-billions p/yr) to fluoridation research. Personally select the researchers.
- Compare/contrast fluoridation across country (plenty of countries seem to have better dental health without fluoridation).
- Eval of safety research.
- Summarise history of the decision - help people see it as anti-scientific, actually driven by corporatism.
2) Propagate this information internally. If you're any good as a CEO. you have complete control over the organisation. You should have complete control of internal media and messaging.
3) Anti-fluoridation NGO needs to get off the ground locally within your state. You essentially direct it what to do, but from behind the scenes. You want plausible deniability. People don't want the water authority also being in charge of an activist campaign. It's also how you lose your job if you get caught.
4) This effort should take 2-3 years. Politicians won't push back, once you have public support, and internally there will be little push back once everyone thinks everyone else thinks fluoridation of water is bad (game theoretic concept called common knowledge).

That's a good start. Probably quite a few other things could be done, but I'd have to think about it a bit more.

 

[Peatress]

Yep water exec positions are undeniably political positions. Still, the CEO has a lot of power. You'd be surprised by how much they can get done.

The way I'd start doing it:
1) Allocate funds from budget (usually multi-billions p/yr) to fluoridation research. Personally select the researchers.
- Compare/contrast fluoridation across country (plenty of countries seem to have better dental health without fluoridation).
- Eval of safety research.
- Summarise history of the decision - help people see it as anti-scientific, actually driven by corporatism.
2) Propagate this information internally. If you're any good as a CEO. you have complete control over the organisation. You should have complete control of internal media and messaging.
3) Anti-fluoridation NGO needs to get off the ground locally within your state. You essentially direct it what to do, but from behind the scenes. You want plausible deniability. People don't want the water authority also being in charge of an activist campaign. It's also how you lose your job if you get caught.
4) This effort should take 2-3 years. Politicians won't push back, once you have public support, and internally there will be little push back once everyone thinks everyone else thinks fluoridation of water is bad (game theoretic concept called common knowledge).

That's a good start. Probably quite a few other things could be done, but I'd have to think about it a bit more.

This would be a very noble endeavour but would such a person be allowed to rise to a position of power? Once in power how could they be persuaded. This short interview illustrates my point

Brian Pallister avoids question!! Makes bizarre comment Winnipeg, MB​

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wckMULt01EE

 

[A-Tim]

If you're politically astute, it shouldn't be difficult to rise to that level with those views. You would just never mention any views which are political heresay prior to being the CEO. First get power, then wield it. The order matters. Simple as that.

Curtis Yarvin writes on the subject of power in a way that I enjoy and you might too. The downside to his writing style is he's the Anti-Hemingway. If Hemingway wrote in one sentence what others took a paragraph to say, Yarvin writes in one page what Hemingway would write in one sentence.

At the least, reading him gives you access to sources which formed his opinion and aren't commonly referenced in mainstream circles.

One additional criticism I have of him is that he fails to criticise globalism or the jewish elite that seems to occupy a disproportionate number of wealth/power positions in the globalist oligarchy. This is probably mainly because he's jewish himself.

Side Note: Before someone labels me anti-semitic, my criticism is of the elite class who happen to be jewish, not of any jewish masses.

 

[Peatress]

If you're politically astute, it shouldn't be difficult to rise to that level with those views. You would just never mention any views which are political heresay prior to being the CEO. First get power, then wield it. The order matters. Simple as that.

Curtis Yarvin writes on the subject of power in a way that I enjoy and you might too. The downside to his writing style is he's the Anti-Hemingway. If Hemingway wrote in one sentence what others took a paragraph to say, Yarvin writes in one page what Hemingway would write in one sentence.

At the least, reading him gives you access to sources which formed his opinion and aren't commonly referenced in mainstream circles.

One additional criticism I have of him is that he fails to criticise globalism or the jewish elite that seems to occupy a disproportionate number of wealth/power positions in the globalist oligarchy. This is probably mainly because he's jewish himself.

Side Note: Before someone labels me anti-semitic, my criticism is of the elite class who happen to be jewish, not of any jewish masses.

Perhaps it’s possible to subvert an organization from within but based on recent world events I think it’s unlikely to succeed when there are so many people willing to go along with a given agenda. That you believe so strongly that it can be done is hopeful.

I must confess I haven’t explored Yarvin’s writing in depth but what I have read sounds very similar to technocracy. I first came across his name when I read this article on accelerationism. I can’t say I am motivated to explore further not least because Yarvin’s style of writing is designed to obfuscate meaning. Furthermore, on the idea of the Cathedral he claims that the common consensus amongst institutions is an evolutionary process. I wonder what he makes of agenda 21/agenda 30. Give me Hemmingway any day. It is also possible that I am not smart enough to understand Yarvin. Anyway, I am more interested in health issues and I don’t have the time or the desire to read Yarvin. I will leave you with this quote from 2020 and a very interesting article about Yarvin’s family.

“Making a candidate vaccine is easy. Modern molecular platforms (like those of Inovio and Moderna) produced vaccines in hours from the viral DNA. These vaccines probably work, and are probably safe. If I knew I was going to be exposed to the virus, and had no other protection, I would take one.” Yarvin April 2020

The Father, The Son, and The Mencius Moldbug

Curtis Yarvin, the “libertarian” far-right blogger, who's famed for calling for a military coup in USA and for his campaign RAGE (Retirement of All Government Employees), is a genius to some and a crypto-fascist to others. This investigation exposes lesser known Yarvin family history, their ties...

unlimitedhangout.com

 

[A-Tim]

Yup - He lost a lot of his base following his views on covid policy and covid vax. The fact that he was unable to assume malicious intentions made him seem out of touch with current power dynamics. If a person's theories of world fails to predict correctly they shouldn't be taken very seriously.

My other takeaway is it was a classic case of of what Thomas Sowell wrote about in his book "Intellectuals and Society". Because Yarvin is an expert in political science and computer science he overstepped and assumed he knew a lot about health.

 

[Peatress]

Yup - He lost a lot of his base following his views on covid policy and covid vax. The fact that he was unable to assume malicious intentions made him seem out of touch with current power dynamics. If a person's theories of world fails to predict correctly they shouldn't be taken very seriously.

My other takeaway is it was a classic case of of what Thomas Sowell wrote about in his book "Intellectuals and Society". Because Yarvin is an expert in political science and computer science he overstepped and assumed he knew a lot about health.

Did his wife take the covid shots? I read that she died in 2021.

I have my reservations about Thomas Sowell because of his views of 9/11.

 

[A-Tim]

She had hereditary cardiomyopathy. Died 9 years after diagnosis. Not sure if she took the vax. My impression was it was a degenerative condition that steadily worsened over time.