Successful protocol for viral/fungal issues and vertigo/tinnitus

[Sefton10]

Yes, I also considered the mold version, because I had an unpleasant experience. I was exposed to mold for a while, I found out later and I left that place, I guess the experience in question, among other things, left its mark on me.


Regarding metabolism, I notice that it is the same in my case, especially if I do not eat properly quantitatively in particular. An accelerated metabolism is directly proportional to the inhibition of the "symbiote" that causes me problems. But the enemy immediately takes advantage when he feels the weakness of the body and that makes me think.


If accelerated metabolism only keeps the problem under control, but cannot eradicate it, then the most viable solution is to administer antifungals, either orally, intramuscularly or intravenously.

My intention at this point is to just try and keep the metabolism up for a concerted period of time as opposed to intermittently by dropping it with intense exercise. I’ve probably never had more than a week or two where I consistently feel warm and ‘high’ thyroid as I always fall into the trap of thinking I feel good so I’ll work out. It’s a viscous circle. I know when I sleep well, have warm extremities and feel calm but motivated my sinus/ear symptoms are much reduced. I wonder if keeping that state for a few months would actually let the body deal with any underlying infection/infestation once and for all as it once it has an abundance of energy to put towards it. I still have faith in the wonders of human physiology to deal with most things when given the right resources and environment. Being honest I’ve still never put myself in that state for long enough and have tended to try and cheat it with multiple supplements of some kind which is ultimately just papering over the cracks.

 

[mariantos]

My intention at this point is to just try and keep the metabolism up for a concerted period of time as opposed to intermittently by dropping it with intense exercise. I’ve probably never had more than a week or two where I consistently feel warm and ‘high’ thyroid as I always fall into the trap of thinking I feel good so I’ll work out. It’s a viscous circle. I know when I sleep well, have warm extremities and feel calm but motivated my sinus/ear symptoms are much reduced. I wonder if keeping that state for a few months would actually let the body deal with any underlying infection/infestation once and for all as it once it has an abundance of energy to put towards it. I still have faith in the wonders of human physiology to deal with most things when given the right resources and environment. Being honest I’ve still never put myself in that state for long enough and have tended to try and cheat it with multiple supplements of some kind which is ultimately just papering over the cracks.

Yes, our body is phenomenal. I also used supplements, some of which did me more harm than good. Until I make enough time for thorough checks, I will try to learn by accumulating as much information as possible about this type of problem. In case I will not find concrete and efficient solutions even after the medical inspections, I have a backup plan, namely 40 days of fasting.

I wish you good luck too!
I hope to somehow overcome this more unpleasant stage in our lives. I think that every problem has a solution.

 

[Sefton10]

Yes, our body is phenomenal. I also used supplements, some of which did me more harm than good. Until I make enough time for thorough checks, I will try to learn by accumulating as much information as possible about this type of problem. In case I will not find concrete and efficient solutions even after the medical inspections, I have a backup plan, namely 40 days of fasting.

I wish you good luck too!
I hope to somehow overcome this more unpleasant stage in our lives. I think that every problem has a solution.

Good luck, @mariantos. Make sure you drop back in on here with any progress/learning! I will keep updating as I go too. Just had a big lunch and feeling warm and relaxed, looking to keep that going ?

 

[mariantos]

Good luck, @mariantos. Make sure you drop back in on here with any progress/learning! I will keep updating as I go too. Just had a big lunch and feeling warm and relaxed, looking to keep that going ?

I will share of course with the suffering brothers.

 

[gaze]

Peat emailed ecstastichamster these quotes in another thread on vertigo, i thought were interesting :

"Allergenic or undigested food can release toxins that cause in inner ear balance mechanism to swell. Fibrous foods to stimulate the intestine often help."

"I’ve seen a couple of vertigo epidemics that were supposed to be caused by a virus, but if you have been eating fruits such as peaches, pineapples, plums, cantaloupe, apricots, etc., that contain starches and fiber, that could have increased bacterial toxin formation."

interestingly enough, a couple weeks ago I had 4-5 bananas in a span of 2-3 days, and all of a sudden I was having massive sneeze attacks with nasal discharge in the mornings, and throughout the day I would get random attacks of vertigo, also dizziness when i layed down to go to bed. I do think random allergens in the diet play a big role, although not eating enough and cutting out every food trying to find it sometimes does more harm than good

 

[Sefton10]

Peat emailed ecstastichamster these quotes in another thread on vertigo, i thought were interesting :

"Allergenic or undigested food can release toxins that cause in inner ear balance mechanism to swell. Fibrous foods to stimulate the intestine often help."

"I’ve seen a couple of vertigo epidemics that were supposed to be caused by a virus, but if you have been eating fruits such as peaches, pineapples, plums, cantaloupe, apricots, etc., that contain starches and fiber, that could have increased bacterial toxin formation."

interestingly enough, a couple weeks ago I had 4-5 bananas in a span of 2-3 days, and all of a sudden I was having massive sneeze attacks with nasal discharge in the mornings, and throughout the day I would get random attacks of vertigo, also dizziness when i layed down to go to bed. I do think random allergens in the diet play a big role, although not eating enough and cutting out every food trying to find it sometimes does more harm than good

Cheers for these, gaze - I hadn’t seen these quotes before. I think the allergenic/irritating foods could definitely have been a trigger too. In the days before my last attack I had a galia melon that gave me bloating and bad guts. In the past I’ve had attacks around when I was pounding dates too. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the vertigo attacks are usually accompanied by vomiting and numerous bowel movements - it’s as if the body is purging an irritant. I think there’s then a link with serotonin too, likely again being raised by gut irritation, as cyproheptadine seems to help. I’ve been having a 1/6th of a tablet since the last attack as a precaution.

Feeling good last few days. I’ve got a base of foods in place that I enjoy and make me feel good (goat milk, egg yolks, honey, beef/lamb, OJ, haddock/tuna, bone broth, chocolate, feta cheese etc.), just making sure I keep an eye on how different fruits I have around that make me feel and keeping strenuous activity to a minimum. Playing lots of golf lately which means I’ve been getting lots of sun which I think has helped too.

 

[gaze]

Cheers for these, gaze - I hadn’t seen these quotes before. I think the allergenic/irritating foods could definitely have been a trigger too. In the days before my last attack I had a galia melon that gave me bloating and bad guts. In the past I’ve had attacks around when I was pounding dates too. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the vertigo attacks are usually accompanied by vomiting and numerous bowel movements - it’s as if the body is purging an irritant. I think there’s then a link with serotonin too, likely again being raised by gut irritation, as cyproheptadine seems to help. I’ve been having a 1/6th of a tablet since the last attack as a precaution.

Feeling good last few days. I’ve got a base of foods in place that I enjoy and make me feel good (goat milk, egg yolks, honey, beef/lamb, OJ, haddock/tuna, bone broth, chocolate, feta cheese etc.), just making sure I keep an eye on how different fruits I have around that make me feel and keeping strenuous activity to a minimum. Playing lots of golf lately which means I’ve been getting lots of sun which I think has helped too.

had a similar experience with a galia melon recently too. Crazy how universal some of these things are. I made sure it was extremely ripe too, I guess its futile with some fruits.

Do you take OJ with you during golf?

 

[Sefton10]

had a similar experience with a galia melon recently too. Crazy how universal some of these things are. I made sure it was extremely ripe too, I guess its futile with some fruits.

Do you take OJ with you during golf?

Same here, it was really sweet/ripe and tasted great! Very annoying.

I have taken and OJ/milk combo in the past, but lately I take semi skim goat milk mixed with egg yolk and honey, it’s my jam at the moment. Sits really well and feels energising.

 

[Sefton10]

Quick update.

No dizziness/vertigo since last 'attack' on 10th July. Still have tinnitus and hearing very poor in left ear though. Generally not been feeling too bad and had good energy - golf every morning, dog walks and a light upper or lower body workout a couple of times a week, nothing too strenuous. I've also started walking to the shop when I need milk - it's about a 2 mile round trip and I carry 12 litres of milk back, so that in itself feels like a mini-workout.

I was considering mold as a potential cause and found this study so experimented with T3 for 10 days or so and noticed a good initial boost (12.5mcg per day in divided doses). That seemed to wear off though, to be honest it could have just been placebo so I've knocked it on the head. It made no noticeable difference with the tinnitus. I know thyroid needs proper care and attention with dosing etc., but I don't want to get locked into anything so back to just focussing on diet and very minimal supps. Maybe I'll revisit down the line. I've considered trying amoxicillin again as I wonder if the 5 day course I did was long enough. Very difficult to get without a prescription though.

I've dropped a little bit of weight despite eating more and was looking at some pics to compare. The left side of the first pic was August 2019 at around 79kg when I was peak carnivore/low carb. I'd just recovered from shingles and felt horrendous. The right side of the first pic is June 2020 at 87kg after 9 months or so of getting into Peat. Second pic is this afternoon at 83kg.

I inputted a rough baseline diet into crono for the past month or so. This feels the most 'Peaty' I've been with much more milk. I don't track but I estimate I'm getting around 3000Kcal a day as I tend to add more fruit (melon, papaya, pineapple, mango etc.), bone broth (when I make it) and fat to this (coco oil, cacao butter etc.) depending on appetite. If I feel hungry I eat rather than sticking to rigid meal times. Some days I have fish (haddock, tuna, mussels etc.) instead of red meat.

Interestingly, I found a supplier of wild game meats and wanted to give it a try. I've definitely noticed I feel better with venison and/or goat compared to beef. Wild boar too. Again could be placebo but I have an inkling it's like goat milk and maybe our biology just isn't as suited to cows. Who knows.

 

[gaze]

Quick update.

No dizziness/vertigo since last 'attack' on 10th July. Still have tinnitus and hearing very poor in left ear though. Generally not been feeling too bad and had good energy - golf every morning, dog walks and a light upper or lower body workout a couple of times a week, nothing too strenuous. I've also started walking to the shop when I need milk - it's about a 2 mile round trip and I carry 12 litres of milk back, so that in itself feels like a mini-workout.

I was considering mold as a potential cause and found this study so experimented with T3 for 10 days or so and noticed a good initial boost (12.5mcg per day in divided doses). That seemed to wear off though, to be honest it could have just been placebo so I've knocked it on the head. It made no noticeable difference with the tinnitus. I know thyroid needs proper care and attention with dosing etc., but I don't want to get locked into anything so back to just focussing on diet and very minimal supps. Maybe I'll revisit down the line. I've considered trying amoxicillin again as I wonder if the 5 day course I did was long enough. Very difficult to get without a prescription though.

I've dropped a little bit of weight despite eating more and was looking at some pics to compare. The left side of the first pic was August 2019 at around 79kg when I was peak carnivore/low carb. I'd just recovered from shingles and felt horrendous. The right side of the first pic is June 2020 at 87kg after 9 months or so of getting into Peat. Second pic is this afternoon at 83kg.

I inputted a rough baseline diet into crono for the past month or so. This feels the most 'Peaty' I've been with much more milk. I don't track but I estimate I'm getting around 3000Kcal a day as I tend to add more fruit (melon, papaya, pineapple, mango etc.), bone broth (when I make it) and fat to this (coco oil, cacao butter etc.) depending on appetite. If I feel hungry I eat rather than sticking to rigid meal times. Some days I have fish (haddock, tuna, mussels etc.) instead of red meat.

Interestingly, I found a supplier of wild game meats and wanted to give it a try. I've definitely noticed I feel better with venison and/or goat compared to beef. Wild boar too. Again could be placebo but I have an inkling it's like goat milk and maybe our biology just isn't as suited to cows. Who knows.

do the dates, melons, cocoa, give you gas at all. Also Ray said carbonate gives him headaches. I wonder if low grade intestinal irritant can cause it

 

[Sefton10]

do the dates, melons, cocoa, give you gas at all. Also Ray said carbonate gives him headaches. I wonder if low grade intestinal irritant can cause it

Cocoa no issues. Dates/fruit can if I over do them. For example, I’ll have a medjool date with each meal with a glass of OJ and some honey in milk rather than having a few dates or a whole melon in one go. No issues with the mag carbonate, I react it with ACV first then add OJ and glycine. Feel much better with that compared to a glycinate/malate mix I had in capsules.

 

[Sefton10]

UPDATE: Another vertigo attack while out walking the dog yesterday. Been feeling off for a couple of days before that so had rung the doctor to get a prescription for Amoxicillin. Tinnitus really bad and pretty much zero hearing in left ear, sinus feels inflamed. No vomiting this time at least.

My thinking is this is some sort of chronic ear/sinus infection I just haven’t got rid of. Everything metabolism wise feels good so I don’t think it’s related to hypothyroidism. When I was given the antibiotic a few months ago it was only a 4 or 5 day course. I wonder if it beat the infection down a bit but it’s gradually just built back up. I’ve got a 10 day course this time.

 

[Peatful]

UPDATE: Another vertigo attack while out walking the dog yesterday. Been feeling off for a couple of days before that so had rung the doctor to get a prescription for Amoxicillin. Tinnitus really bad and pretty much zero hearing in left ear, sinus feels inflamed. No vomiting this time at least.

My thinking is this is some sort of chronic ear/sinus infection I just haven’t got rid of. Everything metabolism wise feels good so I don’t think it’s related to hypothyroidism. When I was given the antibiotic a few months ago it was only a 4 or 5 day course. I wonder if it beat the infection down a bit but it’s gradually just built back up. I’ve got a 10 day course this time.

Have only briefly skimmed this thread-
1- serotonin is a culprit with my tinnitus
2- if you’re supplementing a non food item- have you stopped to see if it resolves?
3- my brother had debilitating vertigo (the crawl unable to walk kind). Specialist after specialist- no help. He took Claritn iirc or an antihistamine- was well in three to four days.

 

[Sefton10]

Have only briefly skimmed this thread-
1- serotonin is a culprit with my tinnitus
2- if you’re supplementing a non food item- have you stopped to see if it resolves?
3- my brother had debilitating vertigo (the crawl unable to walk kind). Specialist after specialist- no help. He took Claritn iirc or an antihistamine- was well in three to four days.

Thanks for the input. Yes I’ve gone cold turkey with supps previously to identify a culprit but didn’t find anything.

Cyproheptadine in small doses does help, which would support your serotonin/antihistamine hypothesis. The question then is what causes the symptoms that cypro relieves.

Recently my gut/digestion etc has been on point, hence why I still think there’s an underlying infection at play somewhere.

 

[Peatful]

Thanks for the input. Yes I’ve gone cold turkey with supps previously to identify a culprit but didn’t find anything.

Cyproheptadine in small doses does help, which would support your serotonin/antihistamine hypothesis. The question then is what causes the symptoms that cypro relieves.

Recently my gut/digestion etc has been on point, hence why I still think there’s an underlying infection at play somewhere.

Long shot- but if you have a hx of stones- gall stones, kindney stones, tonsil stones- it could be calcification in your inner ear that dislodges giving you these acute episodes.
Plausible?

 

[gaze]

whats your current vitamin D blood level

 

[Sefton10]

Long shot- but if you have a hx of stones- gall stones, kindney stones, tonsil stones- it could be calcification in your inner ear that dislodges giving you these acute episodes.
Plausible?

No history of any of those things. Health generally very good apart from this issue.

whats your current vitamin D blood level

Never tested. I have considered getting a blood panel done but think it might just open another can of worms. Vit D levels should be good, I get lots of sun during spring/summer to the point of a tan and use a Sperti Vit D lamp in winter.

 

[Sefton10]

UPDATE: Saw the doctor today as a condition of her prescribing the Amoxicillin a few days ago. She has referred me to ENT but their wait list is 3 or 4 months. Her theory is Ménière's disease (which I've already looked into extensively) as she can't see any sign of an infection. She has prescribed betahistine to take 3 times a day indefinitely. I think I'll give that a miss though, evidence for its use is pretty sketchy.

Hearing in my left ear is back up to maybe 30% today and dizziness totally abated (it lasted 24 hours after the acute vertigo). Ménière's is seen as one of those things with no cause or cure but I think going back to the principles of a bioenergetic approach and Ray's recommendations I think it can be done. Everything has a cause somewhere.

There must be a histamine/endotoxin component triggering this somewhere and it's usually fruit that will give me digestive issues (especially dates), so juice, milk and honey along with eggs, cocoa butter, meat (goat, venison) and some fish will be my baseline for a while. I'll stick with mushrooms and a carrot or too as well and have periodic oysters/liver. Hopefully that gives me a baseline to work from and I can track symptoms as I go.

 

[gaze]

how you feeling now? did the amoxicillin work?

 

[Sefton10]

how you feeling now? did the amoxicillin work?

Not too bad, gaze. Cheers for asking.

The amoxicillin did nothing noticeable this time. After going down some Ménière's rabbit holes I've basically gone full circle to how this thread started. Rather than being idiopathic (which is the doc's verdict, sigh), there's lots of stuff linking it to a viral origin, which was my experience in terms of the shingles outbreak I had that started all this. So I've gone back to mixing in some anti-viral/fungal herbs and substances and trying to keep metabolism up. I feel as if I have a threshold whereby if too many things mount up at the same time, that's when my metabolism/immune system gets too low and an attack kicks in. It was usually lifting weights that was the tipping point.

Things I've been using culled from a range of different protocols and suggestions here and elsewhere, the aim being to keep anything viral suppressed and immune system strong:

Olive leaf extract
Oregano oil
Coconut oil
Camu camu
Lysine
Glycine
Meth Blue
Pau D'Arco
Rhubarb root
Ginkgo Biloba
Blackseed oil
Activated charcoal (once a week)

Nutritionally I've really upped goat milk and cut back on fruits. It's just a lottery getting anything ripe and good quality in the UK so it's just not worth the potential gut issues. I still have organic white grapes and blueberries here and there, but mainly stick to OJ, pineapple juice and grape juice. It's really a case of the least worst foods, so other than that it's eggs, game meats, some seafood and organs, honey and mushrooms/carrots. I've nixed bone broth, chocolate, nutritional yeast and cheese as I think there is some potential triggering in there. My priorities are reducing oxidative stress and intestinal inflammation.

Nutritional supplements:

Magnesium (Oral glycinate and carbonate, chloride topically) daily
Health Natura B Complex daily - noticed a really nice boost having a drop with each meal
K2 few times a week
E once a week

One other thing I've been doing is refraining from blowing my nose too often/hard. When my sinus would feel bunged up I'd be constantly trying to clear it and I think that was causing problems by backing up into my eustachian tubes, which was then exacerbating dizziness etc. I found some interesting threads on the forum about LPR and there were lots of overlap with my sinus symptoms. The attached was useful and I think the B complex has been helping with this. I do a sinus rinse with salt, bicarb, xylitol and MB 2 or 3 times a week too.