Successful protocol for viral/fungal issues and vertigo/tinnitus

[Gustav3Y]

What do you think is triggering it for you - the wheat in the pasta perhaps or the dairy? I tried a month without any dairy thinking that might be the cause of the sinus issues but nothing changed. I do suspect Parmigiano might have a histamine trigger though.

I have stopped the diary and does feel better than with diary.
I have also stopped the McDonald's Cola which made me cough and get runny nose after drinking it, ironically this seems to not really make a difference in how everything else works for me, compared to diary removal.


For me the main trigger was pretty clear, 48 hours after the extraction of the infected 1st premolar on the maxilla the new life began with each and every day dizziness, balance issues, and other sort of issues.
There is way too much backstory to this event and with the event after, a ton of things happened before and after it.

My sinus issues have been labeled by several specialist as coming from the tooth, basically the infection when from the teeth inside, not the other way around, but even this one has it's own long story how my initial doctors refused to pull the teeth out even it caused me for month crippling headaches, temple pains and kept me in bed.
After a huge amount of time ( a couple of years) I said I cannot take it anymore and went to get the tooth pull out, coincidentally some puss was present at the moment of extraction and the bone had been eaten up a bit by the infection.
But my issues with the maxilla are not done, I still have other types of issues which were present at the same time with that infection and precise the infection basically issues in front and back of that 1st premolar.


I also had tinnitus after this vent triggered but it was sporadic and short lived. Right now it is even more sporadic, but I am not taking that 250mg of aspirin anymore neither have I eaten diary anymore.

My main issue is not really vertigo, it is all day long dizziness, floating sensation and equilibrium issues.
After walking for a while I feel like my legs start to not really hold up anymore, pressure built up in the sinuses, head, etc. a state of debilitation starts hard to concentrate, if aggravated the situation requires me to stay in bed.
Sometimes I get just the incipient state of vertigo, but not the full one.

Anxiety can happen maybe 10% of the days, I can also be really bad and have no anxiety.


I have been taking various B1 forms, felt nothing from any of them really, to pressure relief, no nothing really, maybe more agitation than anything.
I have not tried Thiamine Pyrophosphate, yet.


Highly important for me is that my situation gets aggravated if don't eat 8 our of 10 times (Weirdly not 10 of 10 times), which also coincides with the fact that I get acute allergies if I don't eat, this actually happened to me for way longer than my current health issues.

 

[Sefton10]

I ended up at the emergency doctors on Saturday - After my last update the dizziness got worse and I had to stay in bed all of Thursday and Friday, my balance just went and I had severe issues focussing, the tinnitus was maxing out and I was totally deaf in left ear. Nausea too. It was grim. The doctor was convinced the issue was a sinus infection that had gotten into the inner/middle ear so prescribed an antibiotic (amoxicillin) and prochlorperazine for the vertigo.

I’ve gradually been feeling much better each day - dizziness has been absent for last 3 or 4 days and hearing is back in ear. Tinnitus is still there but not as severe, it’s higher pitched and I’m getting a sort of metallic echo with sudden noises, like a bell ringing. Maybe it’s the ear resensitising or something? I only took the prochlorperazine the first day after looking it up, so the improvement is basically down to the antibiotics. I’m really hoping that was the issue all along. Perhaps the infection has been low lying for months and gradually just got worse and worse. I’ve been doing a daily sinus rinse on the doc’s recommendation too, which feels good for the few hours afterwards.

I’ve also gone via negativa with diet/supplements. Nixed everything I was taking other than a couple of drops of the B1 TPP I got and nutritional yeast for other B vitamins. Haven’t noticed anything from the B1 as yet. My plan is to take K2 once or twice a week, magnesium chloride topically. Maybe Vit E once in a while and a UVB lamp for D. Back to basics with foods too - Meat/fish, fruit, dairy, eggs, potatoes, maple syrup, bone broth. Occasional oysters/liver.

I’ve got a day left of the antibiotics so really hoping they’ve done the job and there’s no relapse. I’ve had intermittent periods of no symptoms between attacks previously, so don’t want to tempt fate.

Not sure if this helps you @Gustav3Y as I imagine you’ve already tried antibiotics? I hope you can find some relief from your symptoms soon too.

 

[Gustav3Y]

Those are some heavy symptoms.
That is very interesting that you have been prescribed amoxicillin, considered a rather simple antiobiotic, some call it ineffective among the doctors I talk to, but in the peat world is considered a rather safe one which is good I guess.

Prochlorperazine, I was not aware of this one, seems to have affinity on various receptors, including D2 and D3 like many of these type of drugs, antagonizing them.

Prochlorperazine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I have been given antibiotics by the doctors, yes.
For example right when the tooth was extracted and all this new life started I was already on Cefuroxime for 10 days.
Later on after a while I was given Levofloxacin, which is considered to be quite nasty even if around here it seems the staple of doctors, while II was on this one I even developed pain in my right ear especially and had extra war in that ear. I used ear drops containing boric acid+alcohol for the pain to go away.


I've been trying the Thorne B complex and other B complexes, they all seem to give me some sort of more dizziness and bring in some possible migraine, even if I had some magnesium supplemented and food.

 

[Sefton10]

Found this thread on an Australian forum, lots of people experiencing the vertigo/tinnitus symptoms and positing it is a virus that was/is going around: https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2425400

 

[Gustav3Y]

They have been prescribed the same drug as you have been prescribed, expect they name it by a brand name instead of drug name prochlorperazine.

I know people having these issues for a dozen years, it may also be a virus that can cause such issue if some report having such issue for only one or two weeks, but I have some doubts about several years in this matter, who knows this is not really taken seriously.
For example most of the drugs given for it are also dopamine receptor antagonists besides antihistamines and problems arise later, but the regular folk can't really connect the two together and it is assumed as some new illness.
Obviously for some reason not everyone is developing the same side-effects.

 

[Sefton10]

Sinus/Ear: I got that vertigo bug that was going around last summer...I knew people all over the country who were having sudden attacks of vertigo. I found it strange since all were being extremely careful to avoid covid, and none of us had / have gotten covid but we got this vertigo thing. I was doing the Epley maneuver several times a day, and I decided to do what works for MARCoNS sinus infections, which is neti pot with 1t baking soda, 1t salt, 1t Xylitol, twice a day. Over about a month it cleared it entirely, meaning it fixed both the sinus and ear infections.

I came across this post on another thread at the weekend (hopefully you can link to it above, I'm still a bit new to how the posts work!) - @Phosphor also refers to a vertigo bug going around. I've been using a sinus rinse for the last week which has been helping, it feels a lot clearer for a few hours afterwards. I've started adding some Xylitol to the salt/bicarb too based on the above. I've still not had any sort of relapse to the vertigo and generally been feeling quite good but not counting my chickens yet. The tinnitus is still there but much much milder.

 

[Sefton10]

They have been prescribed the same drug as you have been prescribed, expect they name it by a brand name instead of drug name prochlorperazine.

I know people having these issues for a dozen years, it may also be a virus that can cause such issue if some report having such issue for only one or two weeks, but I have some doubts about several years in this matter, who knows this is not really taken seriously.
For example most of the drugs given for it are also dopamine receptor antagonists besides antihistamines and problems arise later, but the regular folk can't really connect the two together and it is assumed as some new illness.
Obviously for some reason not everyone is developing the same side-effects.

I only took the prochlorperazine once on the day they gave me it - when I looked up the mechanism of action and side effects it put me off it. Hopefully the antibiotics went to the source of the problem. I suppose if I have another attack I've got it there to reduce the symptoms in an emergency.

 

[Gustav3Y]

I suppose if I have another attack I've got it there to reduce the symptoms in an emergency.

If it works that acutely that surely is a solution.

I have been prescribed Betahistine and after several days not only my issues where not reduced but aggravated with suicidal thoughts.
I have been told by the doctor that only after 3 months I will see improvements which is beyond ridiculous to me when needing to work and do basic human chore

So I have to say I am impressed how Prochlorperazine could have acute symptom relief.

I keep saying to myself that I will try this drug again since my problems are daily, but none of the hard vertigo attacks for me so far like I see you mention and no severe tinnitus attacks.

Ironically I have noticed that dexketoprofen seems to ameliorate my issues when taken randomly for headaches.
I saw these 3 times, very strange, maybe just random coincidental moments.

 

[Sefton10]

I thought I should update this thread in case it's of potential use for anyone in future.

Since the antibiotics back in February I've not had any sort of relapse. The tinnitus in my left ear is probably a 3 or 4/10 now. Still there but nothing that impacts day to day life. Hearing is probably a consistent 75% in left ear now. Not had any recurrence of the dizziness and sinus is not perfect but much improved.

A big focus has been the gut and making sure I reduce any irritation in that area. I can tell if I've eaten something I shouldn't have as that is when I will wake up in the middle of the night with more pronounced tinnitus. I definitely think endotoxin/serotonin was playing a big role so my key ongoing focus is keeping those elements in check. I think most (all?) stuff comes back to gut, liver, thyroid one way or another.

Diet-wise after much experimentation I'm probably more "Peaty" than at any point so far (typical day attached), I probably eat more than that most days depending on appetite. I really enjoy what I'm eating and feel good on it. Essentially a baseline of whole jersey milk, eggs, fruit, honey, chocolate and bone broth. Some fish and meat but less than I used to have. Occasional oysters/liver. Satiety and energy are much improved. Still being careful with exercise and making sure I don't do anything too intense for too long. Lots of walking and I pepper sets of resistance exercise through the day rather than doing an actual "workout".

Supplement wise I've tried Progest E a couple of times recently as my wife had some. Noticed really good benefits from that, especially on sleep and general chilled feeling. Will keep up with that intermittently. Other than that B1 and nutritional yeast for other B vitamins, K2 once or twice a week, massively upped magnesium, Vit E once in a while and a UVB lamp for D - it's been quite sunny in the UK recently so being out in that has really helped. Also a drop of methylene blue in OJ with magnesium and B1 on waking. If ever I feel my stomach is a little unhappy before bad I have some activated charcoal. Thinking of trying small amounts of DHEA with Progesterone or possibly T3 once winter comes back around, will see how I'm feeling at that point, but feel like my baseline is much more robust now.

 

[Jon2547]

To the OP: Do you talk on a cordless phone, or smartphone?

 

[Sefton10]

To the OP: Do you talk on a cordless phone, or smartphone?

Not for several years. If I do talk on smartphone now always on speaker or via headphones (wired not Bluetooth).

 

[Jon2547]

I have really bad tinnitus and have had it since January of 2009. Cordless and cell phones make my tinnitus much louder.

 

[Sefton10]

I have really bad tinnitus and have had it since January of 2009. Cordless and cell phones make my tinnitus much louder.

I do suspect EMFs play a role in tinnitus somehow. Short of living in the wilderness it’s pretty much impossible to avoid though! I upped magnesium to help with this and just try and control what I can. Mine definitely gets worse if I don’t keep on top of digestion/gut health.

 

[Jon2547]

I'm thinking about getting the EMF tent that Danny Roddy talked about the other day on his show. He said it was very good at blocking out EMFs.

 

[Sefton10]

I'm thinking about getting the EMF tent that Danny Roddy talked about the other day on his show. He said it was very good at blocking out EMFs.

I think if you can get away with it those might be a good idea for sleeping and will certainly reduce exposure. But as soon as you are out in society to any extent you are getting bombarded. EMF just seems like one of those things we have to accept in modern society and just do best we can with baseline metabolism to mitigate the potential effects. Magnesium especially is key. The stress worrying about them probably just adds to the harm too, unless like I say you can go off grid and live in a remote forest somewhere!

How Magnesium Offers Natural EMF Protection -

It's difficult to avoid EMFs as our cellphones, laptops and electricity in our homes all generate EMFs. Magnesium can offer natural EMF protection.

www.nutritionbreakthroughs.com

 

[Sefton10]

I thought I should update this thread in case it's of potential use for anyone in future.

Since the antibiotics back in February I've not had any sort of relapse. The tinnitus in my left ear is probably a 3 or 4/10 now. Still there but nothing that impacts day to day life. Hearing is probably a consistent 75% in left ear now. Not had any recurrence of the dizziness and sinus is not perfect but much improved.

A big focus has been the gut and making sure I reduce any irritation in that area. I can tell if I've eaten something I shouldn't have as that is when I will wake up in the middle of the night with more pronounced tinnitus. I definitely think endotoxin/serotonin was playing a big role so my key ongoing focus is keeping those elements in check. I think most (all?) stuff comes back to gut, liver, thyroid one way or another.

Diet-wise after much experimentation I'm probably more "Peaty" than at any point so far (typical day attached), I probably eat more than that most days depending on appetite. I really enjoy what I'm eating and feel good on it. Essentially a baseline of whole jersey milk, eggs, fruit, honey, chocolate and bone broth. Some fish and meat but less than I used to have. Occasional oysters/liver. Satiety and energy are much improved. Still being careful with exercise and making sure I don't do anything too intense for too long. Lots of walking and I pepper sets of resistance exercise through the day rather than doing an actual "workout".

Supplement wise I've tried Progest E a couple of times recently as my wife had some. Noticed really good benefits from that, especially on sleep and general chilled feeling. Will keep up with that intermittently. Other than that B1 and nutritional yeast for other B vitamins, K2 once or twice a week, massively upped magnesium, Vit E once in a while and a UVB lamp for D - it's been quite sunny in the UK recently so being out in that has really helped. Also a drop of methylene blue in OJ with magnesium and B1 on waking. If ever I feel my stomach is a little unhappy before bad I have some activated charcoal. Thinking of trying small amounts of DHEA with Progesterone or possibly T3 once winter comes back around, will see how I'm feeling at that point, but feel like my baseline is much more robust now.

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Back to square one. Tinnitus in left ear has gradually been ramping up the last 10 days or so and hearing getting worse and worse. Slight dizziness also crept back in when moved my head too quickly and just feeling a bit off. Culminated yesterday in another full on vertigo attack - unbearable dizziness and severe vomiting. It’s eased off a bit this morning but still very dizzy when I move.

Pretty much at a loss now with regards to cause. Can’t think of a particular trigger or anything I’ve done differently. I’ve been working out more which might have contributed I suppose. Had some Galia melon a few days ago that didn’t sit right and also had some dates and pecorino cheese which are potentially high in histamine.

It’s all very disconcerting.

 

[mariantos]

Yes, it seems that we have many symptoms in common, I had problems with my right ear in the past, it was clogged for long periods of time, I had tinnitus extremely often every day, I also had very cold extremities and I was always cold. I solved the problem with body temperature by adding carbohydrates in the diet, with iodine and B1 HCL plus a B complex and surprisingly, I have no problems with my ear, but as I wrote in another topic, dizziness, headaches, when I sometimes wake up at night or in the morning, I feel like I'm being weighed down by a ton and nausea, but without vomiting they are still common. Ever since I got sick, my sinuses have also been a problem close to life and death for me, I just woke up at night suddenly because I had no air, both nostrils were clogged, it's strange that always before I wake up to take air in my chest, I had a dream in which I cried, a sad dream because the nightmares were routine at night, if it was a night without a nightmare, then something seemed wrong, I still have nightmares and I noticed that they have a lot to do with health. My sinuses are still clogged, it's an almost constant problem, there are some days when I breathe okay and still I don't wake up at night because I don't have air. Also in the morning and evening I have to cough and eliminate a kind of dark green mucus every day, only in the morning and evening, and there are other symptoms, obviously. I think it is, what is called candida in my case.

 

[Sefton10]

Yes, it seems that we have many symptoms in common, I had problems with my right ear in the past, it was clogged for long periods of time, I had tinnitus extremely often every day, I also had very cold extremities and I was always cold. I solved the problem with body temperature by adding carbohydrates in the diet, with iodine and B1 HCL plus a B complex and surprisingly, I have no problems with my ear, but as I wrote in another topic, dizziness, headaches, when I sometimes wake up at night or in the morning, I feel like I'm being weighed down by a ton and nausea, but without vomiting they are still common. Ever since I got sick, my sinuses have also been a problem close to life and death for me, I just woke up at night suddenly because I had no air, both nostrils were clogged, it's strange that always before I wake up to take air in my chest, I had a dream in which I cried, a sad dream because the nightmares were routine at night, if it was a night without a nightmare, then something seemed wrong, I still have nightmares and I noticed that they have a lot to do with health. My sinuses are still clogged, it's an almost constant problem, there are some days when I breathe okay and still I don't wake up at night because I don't have air. Also in the morning and evening I have to cough and eliminate a kind of dark green mucus every day, only in the morning and evening, and there are other symptoms, obviously. I think it is, what is called candida in my case.

Have you ever looked into mold as a potential cause?

I’m convinced there is an underlying fungal cause in my sinus/ear. Seems that when metabolism is good it is kept at bay but when I work out too intensely too often or don’t eat enough (or the wrong thing) and metabolism/thyroid drops that’s when it gets the chance to rear up again.

The dizziness has abated pretty much to baseline again now and hearing in left ear is slowly coming back. Still the tinnitus is there though and sinus feels a little bunged. I’ve been taking 1mg or so of cyproheptadine the last couple of days which feels like it has helped with calming the gut and sleep. I will lay off any weightlifting for a few weeks again and focus on getting sun and making sure metabolism is kept up. I think this might mean eating more than I have been and I’ve been underestimating caloric needs so going to ramp that up for a while.

 

[fr@]

Thanks @Sefton10, this thread has been really informative.

As with the Jock Itch I've only used regular strength Oil of Oregano, for me it worked (but it burns) -- I even used it for tattoos instead of the ointments that were recommend.

Just to ask has anyone tried 'Nebulizing' Oil of Oregano, is it safe?

And if so, how do you dilute it, and is it needed to be diluted or can you just use it right away with a clean water?

 

[mariantos]

Have you ever looked into mold as a potential cause?

I’m convinced there is an underlying fungal cause in my sinus/ear. Seems that when metabolism is good it is kept at bay but when I work out too intensely too often or don’t eat enough (or the wrong thing) and metabolism/thyroid drops that’s when it gets the chance to rear up again.

The dizziness has abated pretty much to baseline again now and hearing in left ear is slowly coming back. Still the tinnitus is there though and sinus feels a little bunged. I’ve been taking 1mg or so of cyproheptadine the last couple of days which feels like it has helped with calming the gut and sleep. I will lay off any weightlifting for a few weeks again and focus on getting sun and making sure metabolism is kept up. I think this might mean eating more than I have been and I’ve been underestimating caloric needs so going to ramp that up for a while.

Yes, I also considered the mold version, because I had an unpleasant experience. I was exposed to mold for a while, I found out later and I left that place, I guess the experience in question, among other things, left its mark on me.


Regarding metabolism, I notice that it is the same in my case, especially if I do not eat properly quantitatively in particular. An accelerated metabolism is directly proportional to the inhibition of the "symbiote" that causes me problems. But the enemy immediately takes advantage when he feels the weakness of the body and that makes me think.


If accelerated metabolism only keeps the problem under control, but cannot eradicate it, then the most viable solution is to administer antifungals, either orally, intramuscularly or intravenously.