Rinse & rePeat
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This is it.I’m Biased towards being happy laughing a lot feeling strong sleeping like a rock and being able to work all day and help others.
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This is it.I’m Biased towards being happy laughing a lot feeling strong sleeping like a rock and being able to work all day and help others.
It's good for temporary weight loss. You gain it back and then more as it reduces your metabolismHardly. All of you are just coping and seeking confirmation bias to confirm that fasting is bad. When it’s actually the best thing to do for serious weight loss. It’s undeniable.
Many, many positive success stories and they rarely regain the weight.
Anyone that denies the benefits is simply ignorant or has bad intentions.
Lose muscle mass? What muscle mass? People who do not workout hardly have any muscle mass to lose.
Stop with the cope. Fasting is the best intervention for weight loss. Period. And I’m not saying it’s good for overall health.
Even @Dapose confirmed that it works for weight loss.
What? Don't you find the Times of India a credible source?All of you are just coping and seeking confirmation bias to confirm that fasting is bad.
Perfect quote, R&R!“Protein deficiency creates an inflammatory state, and since stress causes tissue proteins to be destroyed and converted into sugars and fats, it's common to underestimate the amount of protein needed. One of the functions of sucrose in the diet is to reduce the production of cortisol, and so to spare protein."-Ray Peat
Sometimes eliminating the harmful stuff is better than adding good things.What? Don't you find the Times of India a credible source?
This poor girl is healed from chronic Lyme's disease since 2017 thanks to stress and estrogen.
It all makes sense now doesn’t it!Perfect quote, R&R!
I am so grateful for that guidance and knowledge that Ray gave to all of us.
That simple statement should be a Commandment taught in medical schools.
YES!.
It all makes sense now doesn’t it!
This made me chuckle Mikey, because I feel the same way! My diet is no diet! I just avoid rancid oils and chemicals and bottom of the barrel dairy and meats, poor me!YES!
And isn't a high-carb lifestyle so tasty?
When I have sweet ripe fruit, gelatin, and ice cream, and then wake up skinnier the next day, I lam so grateful.
All of those poor people who are suffering by depriving themselves.
HAHA!This made me chuckle Mikey, because I feel the same way! My diet is no diet! I just avoid rancid oils and chemicals and bottom of the barrel dairy and meats, poor me!
I like my sauteed apples with grass fed beef sausages and maple syrup. Pairing foods right is my strategy, protein + sugar.HAHA!
I'm glad that brought you some joy!
As I eat some cooked apples with organic sugar and ceylon cinnamon on top of homemade vanilla ice cream, I will think of you and smile.
How could anyone prefer fasting to that?
OMG!!!!I like my sauteed apples with grass fed beef sausages and maple syrup. Pairing foods right is my strategy, protein + sugar.
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I knew that one would get you!OMG!!!!
That looks amazing!!!!
Perfect for the winter too!
In the winter of 2018, Isabella, an Italian patient suffering from chronic Epstein-Barr, came to Kaliningrad with me to Dr. Filonov’s pop-up clinic on the banks of the icy Baltic Sea. She had been bedridden on and off for years. She was eager to try the method that healed me; this year she was out skiing again on the Italian slopes, and we just had a celebratory reunion in Rome to toast our renewed health.
I didn't have the chance to experience those "spiritual side effects" during my fast but this is something that I would like to reproduce myself.Spiritual epiphanies bubble into my thoughts while I dry fast, prompting me to feel as if I have a direct line to the etheric realm; I thought it might be because I had meditated for so many years. Thus, I didn’t mention it to the Lyme, mold, and Epstein-Barr patients I coached this year. I created individualized protocols for them before they embarked on lengthy dry fasts, but I didn’t think to mention, “Oh, by the way, you might have a spiritual awakening during the dry fasting.” To my astonishment, every one of them came to me in awe of the spiritual experiences they had. They would ask tentatively, “Is there a spiritual side to this?” The resounding answer is yes. Working in conjunction with one another, the body, mind, and spirit incinerate anxiety and stress, just as they destroy diseased cells. While you are literally starving, spiritual nutrition feeds you and strengthens your resolve.
When did I say "her disease would relapse" just because she started eating again?@MikeyFitz
I've heard about this explanation quite a few times here but with all due respect it doesn't make sense with the testimonies (not only hers).
She's been better since 2017 and her book has been published in november 2022 if I remember correctly. She says she has fasted regularly since but according to your theory, her disease must have relapsed as soon as (or soon after) she restarted food, but it's not the case.
My theory is that it helped her detox something polluting her body or it helped restart her metabolism. The "it must be a stress reaction which gives her energy and/or has an anti-inflammatory effect, or she stopped eating bad thing/endotoxins, whatever" explanation is IMO not consistent with the prolonged effect that she experienced.
PS: two interesting excerpts from her book:
I didn't have the chance to experience those "spiritual side effects" during my fast but this is something that I would like to reproduce myself.
“Just select non-toxic foods” sounds like a first best course to me. I tried fasting one time and my legs were so weak I could barely get out of bed on the fourth day. With that being said my father fasted for 28 days with only water, and obviously lost a lot of weight, but it really aged his face. It did cure the Montazuma’s Revenge he had contracted in Mexico though a decade earlier. So I can see fasting being beneficial for a cure, but not for healing the thyroid and revving up one’s metabolism and for long term weight loss. My father pretty quickly gained all that weight he lost back on, and then some.When did I say "her disease would relapse" just because she started eating again?
That's ridiculous. She would die if she just fasted forever.
So of course she would have to start eating again.
My point is the same as Ray's.
All of the benefits of fasting appear to come from avoiding bad things and preventing endotoxin.
By the way, as a native Italian, she probably eats a diet loaded with anti-nutrients such as tomatoes, eggplant, etc.
I know many older Italians who have seen tremendous benefits from eliminating those foods from their lifestyle.
Fasting isn't magic. It's not eating.
If benefits are seen from not eating when eating is required for life, then something is not right with what is being eaten.
Food should not be a poison that the body needs to "battle through."
The body should be improved after a meal, not made less than it was before.
This whole fasting model goes along with the sick philosophy that says "your body is trying to kill you."
Not eating is antithetical to a high energy, muscular body and sound mind.
Avoiding poison is good.
Not eating for extended periods is bad.
So just select non-toxic foods.
It's a logical consequence of saying that eating bad food is at the root of her disease. Or maybe are you suggesting that fasting could protect you against bad food and endotoxins even if you fast 5% of the time versus eating bad food 95% of the time?When did I say "her disease would relapse" just because she started eating again?
It's an hypothesis among other Peatarians' folklore. Yes avoiding bad things is better than eating them (by definition) but she is not specifically eating bad things nor has she changed the way she eats after her fasts, as far as we know.All of the benefits of fasting appear to come from avoiding bad things and preventing endotoxin.
The lady writing the book (and having cured Lyme's disease) is American. She is mentioning the case of an Italian lady having been cured by fasting and she doesn't say this lady has changed her diet (I'm not saying that's what you said but we can rule this hypothesis out a priori).By the way, as a native Italian, she probably eats a diet loaded with anti-nutrients such as tomatoes, eggplant, etc.
I know many older Italians who have seen tremendous benefits from eliminating those foods from their lifestyle.
We surely do not know everything about fasting, but that's not a reason to attribute all of its effects to one hypothetical mechanism (avoiding toxins for as long as fasting lasts).Fasting isn't magic. It's not eating.
We could conclude that if we knew without doubt that all fasting does is toxins avoidance.If benefits are seen from not eating when eating is required for life, then something is not right with what is being eaten.
Yes.Food should not be a poison that the body needs to "battle through."
Indeed, but that does not necessarily contradict the fact that stopping to eat (even "good" food) could have even better effects in the long term (think improved intestinal permeability for example, an hypothesis).The body should be improved after a meal, not made less than it was before.
Not sure of that. Fasting animals probably haven't thought about this philosophy (that I didn't know before you mentioned it).This whole fasting model goes along with the sick philosophy that says "your body is trying to kill you."
Not what she found out when she was bedridden and was considering assisted suicide, and she then could do intellectual work and physical activity again after her fasts.Not eating is antithetical to a high energy, muscular body and sound mind.
Yes.Avoiding poison is good.
"Extended" is to be defined. You sure die if you don't eat/drink for a sufficient time.Not eating for extended periods is bad.
I'm not sure this forum would need to exist if it was so simple.So just select non-toxic foods.
It's a logical consequence of saying that eating bad food is at the root of her disease. Or maybe are you suggesting that fasting could protect you against bad food and endotoxins even if you fast 5% of the time versus eating bad food 95% of the time?
It's an hypothesis among other Peatarians' folklore. Yes avoiding bad things is better than eating them (by definition) but she is not specifically eating bad things nor has she changed the way she eats after her fasts, as far as we know.
The lady writing the book (and having cured Lyme's disease) is American. She is mentioning the case of an Italian lady having been cured by fasting and she doesn't say this lady has changed her diet (I'm not saying that's what you said but we can rule this hypothesis out a priori).
We surely do not know everything about fasting, but that's not a reason to attribute all of its effects to one hypothetical mechanism (avoiding toxins for as long as fasting lasts).
We could conclude that if we knew without doubt that all fasting does is toxins avoidance.
Yes.
Indeed, but that does not necessarily contradict the fact that stopping to eat (even "good" food) could have even better effects in the long term (think improved intestinal permeability for example, an hypothesis).
Not sure of that. Fasting animals probably haven't thought about this philosophy (that I didn't know before you mentioned it).
Not what she found out when she was bedridden and was considering assisted suicide, and she then could do intellectual work and physical activity again after her fasts.
Yes.
"Extended" is to be defined. You sure die if you don't eat/drink for a sufficient time.
I'm not sure this forum would need to exist if it was so simple.
It's a logical fallacy to state that not eating good food is better than eating good food.
I am glad the person in your example felt better and got good results from fasting, but it doesn't mean that it was due to fact that they avoided food altogether.It's a logical consequence of saying that eating bad food is at the root of her disease. Or maybe are you suggesting that fasting could protect you against bad food and endotoxins even if you fast 5% of the time versus eating bad food 95% of the time?
It's an hypothesis among other Peatarians' folklore. Yes avoiding bad things is better than eating them (by definition) but she is not specifically eating bad things nor has she changed the way she eats after her fasts, as far as we know.
The lady writing the book (and having cured Lyme's disease) is American. She is mentioning the case of an Italian lady having been cured by fasting and she doesn't say this lady has changed her diet (I'm not saying that's what you said but we can rule this hypothesis out a priori).
We surely do not know everything about fasting, but that's not a reason to attribute all of its effects to one hypothetical mechanism (avoiding toxins for as long as fasting lasts).
We could conclude that if we knew without doubt that all fasting does is toxins avoidance.
Yes.
Indeed, but that does not necessarily contradict the fact that stopping to eat (even "good" food) could have even better effects in the long term (think improved intestinal permeability for example, an hypothesis).
Not sure of that. Fasting animals probably haven't thought about this philosophy (that I didn't know before you mentioned it).
Not what she found out when she was bedridden and was considering assisted suicide, and she then could do intellectual work and physical activity again after her fasts.
Yes.
"Extended" is to be defined. You sure die if you don't eat/drink for a sufficient time.
I'm not sure this forum would need to exist if it was so simple.