Liquids, fruits, glucose

[Jackson]

How much liquid do y'all drink? I can't get enough of the OJ and Skim Milk with white sugar, but I'm afraid I'm drinking too much. Those two are the bulk of my diet. Are there any ill effects to drinking around 1-1.5 gallon of liquid every day?

What solid foods can i substitute in for the OJ? Bananas seem to cause problems. How are grapes, apples, peaches, watermelon and oranges?

Could glucose cause weight gain and acne? What are your views on rice, potatoes, plantains? should the be staple foods, eaten once in a while, or just avoided?


Thanks for your answers. Sorry if these questions are kind of elementary.

By the way, I had some good luck lowering the fat in my diet as recommended by some on this forum. Thanks!

 

[HDD]

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Hi, Jackson! I am hoping I have copied this link for you correctly. If not, I will copy and paste the whole page.

Sorry, not the one but it is in this thread. Will try to find again.

 

[charlie]

You did it right. :)

 

[HDD]

Ray Peats own personal diet from:
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AV ... ssage/5523



Okay, Bruce, this is a summary from my correspondance with her about
what Ray Peat eats (or ate, if he's changed things) and what he
recommends. This is from 2005.

- dairy, fruit and meat are the core of his diet.

dairy for the protein, calcium, and other nutrients
fruits (or other sugars as 2nd choice) for the KAs and EAAs
gelatin to balance the aminos and to replace the need for eating
animal brains and other organs muscle meat as a supplement for
protein magnesium, etc.

- he gets from 120 to 150 grams of protein per day. Doesn't feel quite
right when he goes as low as 100. A few quarts of milk, several ounces
of cheese, gelatin in some form (broth, chicharrones, gummy bears,
etc.), at least a quart of orange juice (or equivalent other fruit),
and the occasional (rotating) eggs, shellfish, fish, and beef, bison,
or lamb, in one or two of his meals.

- says one must always balance protein with sugar (fruit being the
best) because protein alone lowers blood sugar and you need the sugar
to better metabolize the protein. So when he eats protein, he eats
sugar with it: about 1:1 fruit to meat, and about 2:1 fruit to cheese.

- says best to limit meat due to the tryptophan and antimetabolic
properties, but it can be handled if consumed with fruit and gelatin.
He does eat meat almost every day, or just beef or lamb broth When
the meat is aged he doesn't like the taste so he doesn't eat much of it.

- he eats meat with gelatin. The gelatin can be either from regular
powder or from broth cooked no more than 3 hours (otherwise you
degrade the nutrients he says).

- he avoids all fatty fish.

- says chicken should be eaten no more than one meal every 10 days due
to toxins and PUFAs.

- eggs where the chickens are fed corn and soy should be minimally
consumed (for him 2 per week if that), and with one egg you need about
10 ounces of OJ to balance it (because egg protein is a powerful
insulin activator).

- he eats shellfish about once every ten days. Shrimp, scallops,
lobsters have a high ratio of protein to unsaturated fat and help to
insure adequate selenium. Cooks them thoroughly, having known people
who got hepatitis from raw seafood.

- rotates his animal protein sources only because he gets tired of the
same meals, no health reason

- he avoids most vegetables due to their intrinsic (defensive) toxins.
He occasionally makes leaf broth for some extra minerals, but usually
prefers for a cow to process them for him. Mainly he thinks of them as
condiments.

- underground (root/tuber) vegetables are okay if cooked for about 40
minutes, and fruit-vegetables (tomatoes, peppers) are okay if you're
not allergic to them.

- he avoids all other above-ground vegetables, including greens and
many herbs (basil, etc) due to toxins (even if cooked) that far
outweigh the benefits.

- says that cooked young squashes are generally good for everyone, and
although raw shredded carrots are "nutrient subtractive," it's good to
have a plate of them every day because they lower estrogen (and thus
stimulate the thyroid) and accelerate peristalsis.

- he avoids fermented foods. Stopped using black pepper (a fermented
food, apparently) about 30 years ago when he saw the toxicity studies.
Avoids things like apple cider because it is frequently contaminated
with fungal poisons. Says that the more nutritious it is, the more
likely to contain fungal estrogen and other harmful things, unless you
know the actual materials and process used in making it.
Lacto-fermented foods are carcinogenic. Cheese is okay being fermented
because of the strong nutrients in the milk to start with that
vegetables don't have.

- says reason for people's negative reactions to dairy (if the milk
isn't contaminated) is from either preexisting gut damage (from
gluten, for example) or from a low thyroid or protein deficiency
problem. People who are under stress from low thyroid or protein
deficiency have considerable trouble adapting he says, but with
gradual changes (adding dairy back in) the tissues will adjust and do
what they have to do.

- says to eat liver only occasionally because it depresses the thyroid.

- he doesn't eat fruits with seeds that can't be avoided (berries,
figs, etc) because while the antioxidants are good, the benefits are
less than the toxins in the seeds. Other fruits like peaches, plums,
apples, etc should only be eaten if organic and tree-ripened;
otherwise they have very powerful toxins (if unripe or shelf-ripened)
that can cause gut damage. Melons, cherries, and citrus are the best
fruits.

- when off-season, says it's better to eat frozen fruit and juice
rather than rely on importation because many studies show that storage
methods and stress from importation and treatments make them carcinogenic.

- with cheese and milk, the feeding of the animals (grassfed vs.
grainfed) is more the issue than raw vs. pasteurized.

- he avoids all grains. Traditional "proper preparation" methods used
throughout the world to render them less harmful involved using
alkaline mediums such as wood ash (as opposed to "acidic" as Sally
Fallon suggests) and "lime" as in calcium oxide (as opposed to "lime
or lemon juice" as Sally Fallon asserts). Research shows that that
these methods will convert some of the tryptophan to niacin. Using
whey would be especially ineffective as well as problematic due to the
tryptophan.
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[Dutchie]

Wow,100 to 150gr. Proteine is quite a lot unless he s very active or does some weigthtraining. Is that only protein from animal,dairy and gelatin?or also from fruit?and here i am being fearfull of all macros

What if you scoop out the seeds in figs/berries/grapes? And what about tropical fruits such as mango,pineapple,papaya,lychee etc.they only can be imported here? And what about other fruits and dried fruits such as raisins,dried plums,apricots,dates? (i did. Notice on the packages that most fruits contain quite some pufa and also proteine per 100gr.)

I guess the only nut thats ok,is coconut?

 

[Dutchie]

I also read in an old topic that peach. contain goitrigons?hows that possible,i thougth only brassica family has this?
What about nectarines,plums,apricots&the dried and other fruits?

To diminish it i know peach should best be cooked,but i actually wanted to grill them using a grillpan,is that ok for minimizing too?
I guess if you cook them,theyll become more soft&mushy....loosing their crispyness?

 

[Jenn]

A truly ripe peach is very soft already, full of sugar. An under ripe peach will be starchier and so possibly crisp. Cooking helps with starches, whatever the source.

 

[Dutchie]

A truly ripe peach is very soft already, full of sugar. An under ripe peach will be starchier and so possibly crisp. Cooking helps with starches, whatever the source.

Thanx 4 the explanation,probably why I handle mushy banana blackened from the outside out of the oven the best.
I just read that peaches,plums&apples should only be eaten organic and when picked tree-ripened so that basically leaves them out as I have no idea if the fruit in the store is picked tree-ripened. Well,I guess not if it's being imported,they can't ship ripened stuff by the time it'll get to the destination it will be rotten.
From the recommended list that leaves very little fruit for variety.....and what about other not mentioned fruits?

 

[Jenn]

That's where canned peaches come in.

 

[jaketthomas]

Skim milk, for me, is like poison. I will be sprinting to the bathroom within 30-60 minutes after I drink it. It tastes terrible too. Don't know how people can drink it.

I use full fat organic milk or full fat Goat's Milk. I do, however, use part-skimmed cheeses. I find them to be more beneficial and easier to digest.

As far as my fluid intake, I tend to keep it low. I'm an adrenal type, and I don't hold onto water or salt very well. If I drink too much fluid, my body temperature drops pretty rapidly. I drink only to thirst, no more. I've experimented with the whole 1-2 quarts of OJ and 1-2 quarts of milk thing. Doesn't work for me. Instant cold hands, feet and low body temp.

This diet isn't working for a lot of you, because you're treating your thyroid, when your adrenals are your #1 problem.

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[Diane]

My reply is to Jake,
I am having adrenal,thyroid issues and finding it hard to fully recover. Do you have info on a diet that is helpful for healing adrenals?
Diane

 

[Dutchie]

I asked before,but I'll ask again

Fruitwise Ray recommends melons,cherry and citrus fruits and basically avoids all fruit with seeds such as berries and figs...but that leaves very little variation.
What about all other fruits such as : grapes,kiwi,pineapple,mango,nectarine,apricot,lychee,all dried fruits and other fruits (apart from avocado)? some of 'm I never even had. And do they all need to be organic? and for some fruits locally grown is even out of the question here.

In other words; is there fruit that can be bougth non-organic? and do they all still need to be overripe and cooked or are there many ripe fruits that can be consumed as is?
( Is there actually a topic/list on here,as to how to recognize when a fruit is very ripe? bc for some fruits it's very difficult to distinguish from the outside.)

 

[Jenn]

How much liquid do y'all drink? I can't get enough of the OJ and Skim Milk with white sugar, but I'm afraid I'm drinking too much. Those two are the bulk of my diet. Are there any ill effects to drinking around 1-1.5 gallon of liquid every day?

Only if you don't feel good doing it. Make sure you are getting enough salt.

 

[Kray]

I asked before,but I'll ask again

Fruitwise Ray recommends melons,cherry and citrus fruits and basically avoids all fruit with seeds such as berries and figs...but that leaves very little variation.
What about all other fruits such as : grapes,kiwi,pineapple,mango,nectarine,apricot,lychee,all dried fruits and other fruits (apart from avocado)? some of 'm I never even had. And do they all need to be organic? and for some fruits locally grown is even out of the question here.

In other words; is there fruit that can be bougth non-organic? and do they all still need to be overripe and cooked or are there many ripe fruits that can be consumed as is?
( Is there actually a topic/list on here,as to how to recognize when a fruit is very ripe? bc for some fruits it's very difficult to distinguish from the outside.)

I don't know if you ever got a response, but I'll give my :2cents

If you can't get fresh organic fruit, or not in season, look in your supermarket freezer; it seems most big chains carry an "organic" section in their freezer foods. Otherwise, if organic isn't an option, local would be second-best, imo. But that would probably also mean in-season, as you aren't going to find anything local that isn't in season, no doubt. Maybe look for organic juice from the approved fruit list, if you can find organic. Hope this helps, or that you've found some resources since this post.