Let's Talk Libido: What's Your Experience?

[Spondive]

Maybe hormones are fine but it’s the rat your cage lives in

 

[General Orange]

@Aleeri

I need to make out or some form of physical touching with women in order to get a boner, and this did not used to be the case. Just visual stimulation does not seem to cut it anymore.

this is normal controlled libido, non estrogenic.
when you get horny and a boner just by seeing a hot girl, you have estrogenic over-libido like in puberty.
You want to walk around with a boner everywhere or something to attract girls? lol

I think you are chasing rainbows

 

[ilhanxx]

1-for libido you can try to licorice root (10 cm) +1 tablespoon ginger+half lemon in a 300 ml french press, i felt to my body temp increased.

2-for morning wood everyday, before the bed take one tablet daflon and chew one tablespoon nigella sativa seed

 

[Cirion]

@Aleeri

this is normal controlled libido, non estrogenic.
when you get horny and a boner just by seeing a hot girl, you have estrogenic over-libido like in puberty.
You want to walk around with a boner everywhere or something to attract girls? lol

I think you are chasing rainbows

This is not true in my experience. Being very healthy, indeed almost puberty level health, is possible while an adult, and I have experienced it from time to time. I know it is not estrogen because other markers of androgens were there as well (strong desire to socialize, lots of energy, motivation, desire to compete/win, drive, love for other people, not easily angered, etc etc...)

Being aroused visually by females is how we as men are supposed to be. It helps give us the motivation to pursue. Women are (usually) not this way and why (among other reasons) that men are typically the pursuers.

I know for me that when I am unhealthy that yeah, only actually touching does it for me, and as a result, my overall desire goes down and I stop pursuing anyone, because overall it is not interesting to me.

 

[Tbone107]

1-for libido you can try to licorice root (10 cm) +1 tablespoon ginger+half lemon in a 300 ml french press, i felt to my body temp increased.

2-for morning wood everyday, before the bed take one tablet daflon and chew one tablespoon nigella sativa seed

I thought licorice root was estrogenic?

Also what is it with the dalton and nigella sativa seed that causes this?

 

[Frankdee20]

Ever try the Phenylalanine and Tyrosine with BCAA combo to lower Serotonin and boost dopamine ? I too can not find a consistent way of keeping libido high, but maybe dopamine is more important than Testosterone for this.

 

[Aleeri]

Ever try the Phenylalanine and Tyrosine with BCAA combo to lower Serotonin and boost dopamine ? I too can not find a consistent way of keeping libido high, but maybe dopamine is more important than Testosterone for this.

Have not tried but I have experimented with other dopamine boosters. My theory is it also has to do with dopamine sensitivity and not only boosting dopamine per say. I've been thinking about how come nicotine is not a more potent libido booster (some study shows reduced EQ) since it has such great effects on dopamine, I view it as the dopamine boost from nicotine is similar as a degree you would get from orgasm or sex, hence there is not increased interest in it since you already get it elsewhere.

I find 2.5mg cialis on occasion makes me a lot more horny and a king in bed, which is still a very small dose. I've been wondering if then it might have to do with blood flow or too low nitric oxide. I naturally have a very low degree of vascularity although I have lots of muscle.

Stopping masturbation completely and not touching at all has greatly improved my libido and performance. I reason this is related to sensitivity. I've achived some spontaneous erections again this way.

I thought licorice root was estrogenic?

Also what is it with the dalton and nigella sativa seed that causes this?

Daflon looks potentially interesting if it might improve vascular function and venus tone.

 

[Frankdee20]

Have not tried but I have experimented with other dopamine boosters. My theory is it also has to do with dopamine sensitivity and not only boosting dopamine per say. I've been thinking about how come nicotine is not a more potent libido booster (some study shows reduced EQ) since it has such great effects on dopamine, I view it as the dopamine boost from nicotine is similar as a degree you would get from orgasm or sex, hence there is not increased interest in it since you already get it elsewhere.

I find 2.5mg cialis on occasion makes me a lot more horny and a king in bed, which is still a very small dose. I've been wondering if then it might have to do with blood flow or too low nitric oxide. I naturally have a very low degree of vascularity although I have lots of muscle.

Stopping masturbation completely and not touching at all has greatly improved my libido and performance. I reason this is related to sensitivity. I've achived some spontaneous erections again this way.



Daflon looks potentially interesting if it might improve vascular function and venus tone.

I am willing to bet that higher NO does increase libido because it’s like that mechanism for boner is ready to go, and so the body knows this, and the brain will follow

 

[Andman]

I am willing to bet that higher NO does increase libido because it’s like that mechanism for boner is ready to go, and so the body knows this, and the brain will follow

comes at a price tho!

 

[sebastian_r]

I find 2.5mg cialis on occasion makes me a lot more horny and a king in bed, which is still a very small dose. I've been wondering if then it might have to do with blood flow or too low nitric oxide. I naturally have a very low degree of vascularity although I have lots of muscle.

Cialis acts as aromatase inhibitor

 

[ilhanxx]

a low testosteron man can have high libido and sex drive, it is so complicated, i have low testosteron but dont have any modern medicine is insufficient all of subject except surgical intervention, in this forum we share a lot of pubmed link

Have not tried but I have experimented with other dopamine boosters. My theory is it also has to do with dopamine sensitivity and not only boosting dopamine per say. I've been thinking about how come nicotine is not a more potent libido booster (some study shows reduced EQ) since it has such great effects on dopamine, I view it as the dopamine boost from nicotine is similar as a degree you would get from orgasm or sex, hence there is not increased interest in it since you already get it elsewhere.

I find 2.5mg cialis on occasion makes me a lot more horny and a king in bed, which is still a very small dose. I've been wondering if then it might have to do with blood flow or too low nitric oxide. I naturally have a very low degree of vascularity although I have lots of muscle.

Stopping masturbation completely and not touching at all has greatly improved my libido and performance. I reason this is related to sensitivity. I've achived some spontaneous erections again this way.



Daflon looks potentially interesting if it might improve vascular function and venus tone.

DAFLON is a flavanoid fraxion (type orange) that improve vein health, also you can search the horse chestnut, it is poisonous, but the extract name aescin is very effective, it is use for hemorrhoids, at now i dont have any physical or mechanical problem, sometimes i take one capsul and after drink ginger tea, i feel my body temp increasing like king, i think supplements are trashy mostly, i trust herbal treatment, because when you take a supplement, other supplement in the body is changing, ying yang balance, cu-zn balance, moreover the thing that live a plant is compound richness, flavonoids, terpents, saponins etc. sorry for may bad eng.

 

[Douglas Ek]

The effects of nitric oxide-cGMP pathway stimulation on dopamine in the medial preoptic area and copulation in DHT-treated castrated male rats. - PubMed - NCBI

Here they argue that E2 is needed for systemic nNOS in the brain. nNOS itself activates dopamine release in the Medial preoptic area causing libido and desire.

Medial preoptic area is important for sexual desire here they activated the area and got the same results
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/000689939090571R

If E2 increase nitric oxide activating the medial preoptic area is explains why aromatase inhibitors reduce libido and morning wood even in bodybuilders whos shooting gear with T and DHT.

I even think that the lack in sex drive when low Testosterone is present can partially be that you cant convert enough T to E2. Low T has a lot of similair symptoms of low E2. And since estrogen synthesis is dependent on testosterone.

I know exemestane and other AI supplements can mess with my libido and desire.

 

[Aleeri]

The effects of nitric oxide-cGMP pathway stimulation on dopamine in the medial preoptic area and copulation in DHT-treated castrated male rats. - PubMed - NCBI

Here they argue that E2 is needed for systemic nNOS in the brain. nNOS itself activates dopamine release in the Medial preoptic area causing libido and desire.

Medial preoptic area is important for sexual desire here they activated the area and got the same results
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/000689939090571R

If E2 increase nitric oxide activating the medial preoptic area is explains why aromatase inhibitors reduce libido and morning wood even in bodybuilders whos shooting gear with T and DHT.

I even think that the lack in sex drive when low Testosterone is present can partially be that you cant convert enough T to E2. Low T has a lot of similair symptoms of low E2. And since estrogen synthesis is dependent on testosterone.

I know exemestane and other AI supplements can mess with my libido and desire.

I totally agree, I've been on pharmaceutical AI's as well as supplements such as Arimistane in the past. I never found them worthwhile since it was too hard to stay within good ranges and the low E2 side effects are worse than the high E2.

I know many guys on TRT with epic T levels but zero libidos.

AI wise, mushrooms, aspirin and nicotine are the ones I find the most usable. Although they have no positive effects on my libido.

The question is where to go from here to boost libido then, increasing E2 is not really a great solution long term, more like supplements to keep it balanced would be a better idea.

Maybe SERMs?

By far the best libido booster I ever used is Tongkat Ali, but it also makes me aggressive and anxiety if I do not incrementally increase the dosage. I think it has to do with unbinding both T, DHT and E2 from SHBG and that's why it is so powerful. I never felt anything like it in any other herbal supplement and I probably tried everything there is almost.

The weird thing is I have friends that feel nothing from Tongkat Ali, and for me it has almost like a pharmaceutical effect.

 

[sebastian_r]

There are leading TRT / HRT doctors out there, arguing that most of the reported "wellbeing" & "libido" benefits of TRT patients are actually from increased E2 levels.

On TRT E2 doesn't seem as detrimental since it can't lower T levels.

It's important to differentiate between sexual function and libido.

In my experience, adequate DHT seems to be necessary for sexual function, but does very very little for libido as soon as it starts lowering E2.

E2 can mess massively with sexual function when too high or too low, but is without doubt the driver of my libido. I can have top of the range T and DHT, as soon as E2 gets low all libido is gone.

The only way I found to increase my libido is increasing T while letting E2 run.

Means no E2 lowering Supplements, AI or DHT derivatives for me.

 

[GreekDemiGod]

@Aleeri Have Peat's suggestions to try Cynomel and Preg. had any effects?
Have you had any breakthrough, please share it, I'm curious?

Thats an impressive Total T, by the way.

 

[Aleeri]

@Aleeri Have Peat's suggestions to try Cynomel and Preg. had any effects?
Have you had any breakthrough, please share it, I'm curious?

That's an impressive Total T, by the way.

Thanks, yeah definitely not complaining about the T.



Thyroid:
I tried NDT and Cynomel and Idea Labs T3 and I find thyroid supplementation interesting, when I hit the sweet spot with T3 it feels really damn good, warm, relaxed etc. The problem is it's really hard to hit the sweet spot and it doesn't happen consistently. I find it similar to the concept of TRT when you keep overshooting or missing normal healthy ranges. NDT I don't wanna take when T4 values are normal, paranoid about reverse T3 and I have no lab here to test it.

Because my temperature has been pretty ok for while now (fluctuates 36.6-37 celsius depending on exercise demand) and my heart rate was not increased by thyroid I have kinda abandoned it for the time being. It worried me that T3 supplementation actually brings my heart rate down, sometimes to around 50bpm.

I have warm extremities, good sleep, and pulse that goes up when eating anyway so I feel like I probably don't need it as much as I might try to convince myself I do. I've had a resting heart rate around 60-65 for years when my thyroid labs are looking good, I don't buy the constant higher resting heart rate here fully. When I eat it goes up to 70-85bpm. When I compare my physical endurance to the people around me it's a lot higher, I basically do stairs like its nothing but people around me go snail phase and need to stop for a breather. I think my fitness level has to do with my lower resting heart rate.

The thyroid is a hard nut to crack. Someone might say that my T3 dose was too low (because lowers heart rate) but looking at my labs my T3 levels were pretty great even before I started taking T3, so I am not convinced it is my solution.



Pregnenolone:
I've used topical Preg and I keep it as one of my long term supplements for anti-aging purposes (I apply it topically in my face too, there is a study on pregnenolone and skin hydration). I'm not 100% on the exact benefits I'm getting from it but I do think it is improving my mood. Although I feel quickly when I have taken too much as that gives me almost a hyper type of feeling with some brain fog. Only a couple of mg every other day is enough for me or I will get side effects. Peat's dosage is crazy, clearly, it's individual.



Progress:
Over the last 6 months, I've learned that there is more to libido then just sex. I'm an serial entrepreneur, self-employed and run multiple eCommerce businesses and through some reading, I've learned that I naturally tend to channel sexual energy into my other pursuits, and this is why I am so productive. If I overdo it on sex I basically become too lazy to work on any of my projects. If I don't orgasm for a week I become super productive. The book "Think and Grow Rich" by Napoleon Hill has a chapter on sexual energy transmutation that I found very interesting to better understand libido.

Other than that I increased how much I exercise to almost weight lifting every day (maybe 1 day off per week) along with some small amounts of Tongkat Ali and me and my gf is hitting it off on a regular basis without problems. Morning wood is a daily thing. I've stopped thinking about my sex drive somewhat.

Now the new focus is to last longer haha. I've taken a break with lab tests also until probably the end of the year, sometimes its too easy to obsess about values, should go on feeling too.

In general, my approach now is to find more lifestyle or nutritional/supplemental solutions rather than taking some type of hormone replacement such as thyroid. If there is a risk that the solution can mess you up further when taken long term then I do not really view it as a solution anymore.

I've taken an in-depth interest in a few herbs too that I am further experimenting with such as high-quality EXPENSIVE korean ginseng imported directly from korea, Bulgarian tribulus, high-concentration Icariin extract and rhaponticum carthamoides. Will probably update this thread later on those after more extensive use and comparison.

 

[redred]

From raymondo himself

"High estrogen does sometimes cause insatiable sexual interest, partly because it increases adrenal androgens, and partly by inhibiting satisfying orgasms. Too much progesterone can suppress or neutralize the androgens. Thyroid is the best way to regulate the system, keeping libido up, making orgasms satisfying."

 

[ecstatichamster]

Avoiding orgasm is awesome for libido.

 

[ilhanxx]

I am on thyroid for 5 6 days. I take incredible effects on it. I stopped all supplements, beacuse I tired all of them. I take 1/4 tiromel morning and 1/4 bitiron. I born second times. My triglyceride is down, shbg is up, pulse and temperature is up. I get spontaneous erections in streets when I look a girl. Morning erections are depressively hard. I understand that thyroid mechanism is center of metabolism. My thyroid lab values seems ok. Maybe I am hidden hypothyroid. I will continue for a while. dosing is sometimes problematic. Processes needed to be proactive.

 

[redred]

Avoiding orgasm is awesome for libido.

are we talking about in-n-out without a spritz?