Heart Rate Of 48 Bpm? Low Or Normal

[sladerunner69]

i have never done any form / kind of endurance training in my life, never even ran on a threadmill or something like that.

only thing i do is weights low reps, medium volume sometimes 5 times a week, workout duration 1,5 h

the profile picture is steeve reeves a bodybuilding legend, i have a similar physique, a little higher bodyfat, i weigh in at 95 kgs on 12% bodyfat and 181 cm....

just measured again after 2 cups of coffee with sugar and 1 redbull, heart rate is at 54 right now

How long have you been lifting? 209 lbs at 12% and 5'11'' is pretty big, especially considering you don't use gear (assuming you dont). My first thought is that maybe your workouts are too long, too much volume, which will shoot stress hormones through the roof especially if you are glycogen deplete in the liver which can happen within 15 minutes if you haven't been consuming enough sugar and carbs. Also the typicaly bodybuilders diet, like I followed for years as well, if very high in inflammatory proteins and inflammatory starches and low in saturated fats which will downregulate the thyroid long term.

I've been lifting since I was 15 and I weight 225 at 12% and 6'0''. I even took 2 years off when I crashed on propecia, and I went from 195 to 180. Eventually I found Peat's nutrition plan, was skeptical at first, but only after a few weeks following it I could tell it was helpful so I was able to begin gaining my weight back. In one year on Peat's diet and lifting and following the body by science workouts (just a single 20 minute workout once weekly) I was able to regain much of my health and mental ability and actually went from 180 to 200 lbs. As I felt better I increased my frequency to 3-4 times per week at 30 minutes. Although thsi ma have been to stressful I did make gains and in another couple years I was at 225. The thing is, a lot fo my friends don't believe Im that heavy until they see my lifts and step on a scale. I think having low nitric oxide has prevented me from getting that "jacked" and veiny look and the swollen muscle bellies. But I really don't care about that anymore.

 

[tara]

4.6 litres is a lot of water. Are you peeing clear and frequent? If so, maybe you could switch out some of the milk for cheese, and some of the OJ for concentrate or other denser carbs?
I like the idea of some spinach, but 400 g is a lot - maybe 100 or 200 g would be enough? And you could vary it with other greens for variety from day to day. Drinking the water you cook it in would get you quite a bit more of the nutrients than discarding it.

only thing i do is weights low reps, medium volume sometimes 5 times a week, workout duration 1,5 h

I'd consider shortening this quite a bit - eg maybe to 20-30 mins 2-3 times a week. (It's possible you may have to stop altogether to recover, but you could try just reducing and see if it helps.)

I think Peat has said that when you start to get the base metabolism up, usually the temps come up first, and the heart rate can lag a bit. I'd be guessing this means aiming to get the temps up on a day to day basis, and see if the heart rate comes up over weeks.
It's possible you may need more than 3000 cal to recover. If you get hungry for more, I'd encourage you to listen to that. Including a wider range of foods if you are hungry for other things.

 

[EIRE24]

How long have you been lifting? 209 lbs at 12% and 5'11'' is pretty big, especially considering you don't use gear (assuming you dont). My first thought is that maybe your workouts are too long, too much volume, which will shoot stress hormones through the roof especially if you are glycogen deplete in the liver which can happen within 15 minutes if you haven't been consuming enough sugar and carbs. Also the typicaly bodybuilders diet, like I followed for years as well, if very high in inflammatory proteins and inflammatory starches and low in saturated fats which will downregulate the thyroid long term.

I've been lifting since I was 15 and I weight 225 at 12% and 6'0''. I even took 2 years off when I crashed on propecia, and I went from 195 to 180. Eventually I found Peat's nutrition plan, was skeptical at first, but only after a few weeks following it I could tell it was helpful so I was able to begin gaining my weight back. In one year on Peat's diet and lifting and following the body by science workouts (just a single 20 minute workout once weekly) I was able to regain much of my health and mental ability and actually went from 180 to 200 lbs. As I felt better I increased my frequency to 3-4 times per week at 30 minutes. Although thsi ma have been to stressful I did make gains and in another couple years I was at 225. The thing is, a lot fo my friends don't believe Im that heavy until they see my lifts and step on a scale. I think having low nitric oxide has prevented me from getting that "jacked" and veiny look and the swollen muscle bellies. But I really don't care about that anymore.

And what's your diet like now then?

 

[thms]

7 - 8 years straight lifting

209 lbs at 12% and 5'11'' is pretty big, especially considering you don't use gear

Thank you, No I dont use drugs or anabolics only cialis

Workouts are 1,5 h (5 times aweek min.)

Been following a typical bodybuilders diet for too long

No sugar at all , No saturated fats only chicken and Rice / potatoes / No dairy at all

Whats the reason for your low nitrix oxide? Is iT due to all the sugars? This is Not something id want to achieve to be honest

 

[marsaday]

This is not true, I am much older than you and my pulse stays around 85. If I don't eat properly and skip meals and restrict calories my pulse rate comes down. I only eat according to my pulse rate; this is my gauge on how much calories my body needs. I know people in their 20s with pulse low 60s and below. Once you get them eating as they should it comes up. It is lack of food and dehydration and lack of electrolytes.

Why is it that old people living in hot climates are more likely to need pacemakers along with athletes? Perhaps it may have to do with the profuse sweating they do, losing electrolytes through sweat and dehydration!!!! Old people are also placed on sodium-fluid restricted regimes - which makes a lot sense????

So are you telling me if i eat a lot more my HR will go up ? I really doubt it. I am not dehydrated and i eat well.

 

[Atman]

Have people, who register on this forum nowadays, even read the most basic articles of Ray Peat?

http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/hypothyroidism.shtml

I don't want to be rude, but this seems to be a recent trend.
Two years from now there will be threads like "Is cooking with safflower oil optimal?".

Irrespective of beeing inappropriate by newcomers, it's also very dangerous because they can't possibly understand the advice given by the other users.

 

[thms]

Have people, who register on this forum nowadays, even read the most basic articles of Ray Peat?

http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/hypothyroidism.shtml

I don't want to be rude, but this seems to be a recent trend.
Two years from now there will be threads like "Is cooking with safflower oil optimal?".

Irrespective of beeing inappropriate by newcomers, it's also very dangerous because they can't possibly understand the advice given by the other users.

Are you reffering to me??

I am only asking for real life experiences and advice from others with more knowledge/experience..

I find Ray's writing hard to read and I always learned That forums are for asking and giving advice

 

[EIRE24]

Have people, who register on this forum nowadays, even read the most basic articles of Ray Peat?

Preventing and treating cancer with progesterone.

I don't want to be rude, but this seems to be a recent trend.
Two years from now there will be threads like "Is cooking with safflower oil optimal?".

Irrespective of beeing inappropriate by newcomers, it's also very dangerous because they can't possibly understand the advice given by the other users.

Forums are for discussion. No need to be so dismissive to this guys thread.

 

[Atman]

Are you reffering to me??

I am only asking for real life experiences and advice from others with more knowledge/experience..

I find Ray's writing hard to read and I always learned That forums are for asking and giving advice

Yes.
On the one hand I agree that Peat is not very easy to read, but on the other hand I don't understand how you even end up in this forum, if you haven't read him.

The topic of pulse rate and metabolism has been discussed many times in the past, so using the search function would be an option.

It's in your own best interest that you understand the basic ideas before asking people for specific advice for your situation.
It can be dangerous to just start implementing things which have been mentioned.
You even considered the option of taking T3 on the first page. Just be cautious.

 

[tara]

I find Ray's writing hard to read and I always learned That forums are for asking and giving advice

If reading his articles is hard, I'd recommend listening to his interviews as a start.
I agree that you will likely make much more sense of any advice you get here if you read Peat too. I too think that taking snippets of advice from here without more of an understanding of Peat's wider/deeper views can get you into more trouble.

 

[thms]

Yes.
On the one hand I agree that Peat is not very easy to read, but on the other hand I don't understand how you even end up in this forum, if you haven't read him.

The topic of pulse rate and metabolism has been discussed many times in the past, so using the search function would be an option.

It's in your own best interest that you understand the basic ideas before asking people for specific advice for your situation.
It can be dangerous to just start implementing things which have been mentioned.
You even considered the option of taking T3 on the first page. Just be cautious.

Thank you for your concerns.

I came on this forum by listening a lot to Danny roddy and the evil sugar radio podcast. I am Not a strong reader but eager to learn

Yes ive mentioned t3 because I have tested my blood Many times in the past and iT always came back low on thyroid hormones so that is Why I am considering this option.

 

[sladerunner69]

7 - 8 years straight lifting

209 lbs at 12% and 5'11'' is pretty big, especially considering you don't use gear

Thank you, No I dont use drugs or anabolics only cialis

Workouts are 1,5 h (5 times aweek min.)

Been following a typical bodybuilders diet for too long

No sugar at all , No saturated fats only chicken and Rice / potatoes / No dairy at all

Whats the reason for your low nitrix oxide? Is iT due to all the sugars? This is Not something id want to achieve to be honest

Sounds like you don't know much about Ray Peat's science yet, because there are many on this forum trying to lower nitric oxide. Nitric Oxide is implicated in many diseases and cancer and even headaches, and it associated strongly with serotonin sickness. Yes it can help give your muscles that full pumped up feeling, and may even help achieve a firmer erection, but long term it is very detrimental to the body as a whole, and will probably bring down your androgens.

 

[Ella]

So are you telling me if i eat a lot more my HR will go up ? I really doubt it. I am not dehydrated and i eat well.

There are many variables that need to be considered. You have been a member since 2015 and know that pulse rate and temperature are the foundational and basic tools that we have at hand, to give a clue that perhaps dietary changes, lifestyle factors and further investigation need addressing. It does not cost an arm and leg either. Like all of us, this gentleman requires guidance and of where to start. The ideal pulse rate will depend on the individual circumstance. If we are trying to heal then a pulse rate of 90 will be more optimal or higher, depending on the condition. Adequate calories and hydration are also the most basic things to check. Many people are not even aware that they are in a dehydrated state. Your need for sodium and potassium goes up exponentially when stressed, exercising, hot weather and sweating.

Stryker said that his ability to handle sugar improved with increased potassium. With all that sugar, he may need more potassium than what cronometer says. Cronometer does not account for inflammation, toxins, heavy metals, infections, ROS, etc, etc. If you have a muscle bound body, those muscles require more food to be maintained - more glycogen etc. So if 3000 calories maintains my body and I am sedentary and have less muscles than a young man; 3000 calories is not going to be adequate for me if I started going to the gym lifting heavy weights. Well it maybe, because my fat% is higher, where this gentleman's fat% is much, much lower than mine, thus will require more fuel from outside sources unless he is going to make use of the breakdown of muscle metabolites. I for one could keep going without food by tucking into my adipose tissue for fuel. We all know that doing so will only suppress my thyroid, liver and pancreatic function along with brain fog and god knows what else.

You stated that pulse rate goes down as you age. My 90 yo mother-in-law's pulse rate is maintained between 85 - 90 because she lives in my household and her meals are schedule by the clock. She eats me out of house and home. Her calories are high. She is a hoover when it comes to food unlike many of the elderly. Nothing seems to kill her - I have tried :). She has more lives than a cat. She was not like this though when she lived on her own. Her heart rate was around 40. Why - salt restricted diet and too lazy to cook for herself. The neighbours would find her on the floor unconscious all the time. She would ring me to tell that she found herself on the floor. When I took her in with a lot of work on rehabilitation; she is now as healthy as a horse. All that food she eats and believe me, it is more than my boys; she is not fat.

I know for myself, if my pulse falls to 75 then I don't feel as energetic as I would like to be. If it goes to 60 then I would feel ***t and drag my feet. Not that I allow my pulse rate to get this low these days - I know better thanks to Ray. Monitoring my pulse has been an absolute boon for me. It enables me to work out exactly how much food my body requires in order to have the energy to carry out work inside my body and in the external world. It is a lot more calories than we are led to believe for an old gal.

If the body is in a hypometabolic state, it means you need to stop pushing on the accelerator pedal and start harvesting and conserving energy. The body does not have resources on board to cope with the demands required to perform.

Yes, for the layperson reading Peat is a huge challenge (this is no fault of Peat). We are not all physiology or endocrinology professors. Many have no science background. lt is even more challenging if you don't have energy and stamina. In a hypometabolic state, reading basic text is a huge effort. We need to be more tolerant, forgiving and empathetic to those seeking help.

 

[Ella]

I like the idea of some spinach, but 400 g is a lot - maybe 100 or 200 g would be enough? And you could vary it with other greens for variety from day to day. Drinking the water you cook it in would get you quite a bit more of the nutrients than discarding it.

I agree with tara. All excellent suggestions, especially drinking water from your greens as opposed to ordinary water. Remember, drinking too much water will deplete electrolytes sodium and potassium which we want to retain. Proper hydration = water + electrolytes.

I'd consider shortening this quite a bit - eg maybe to 20-30 mins 2-3 times a week. (It's possible you may have to stop altogether to recover, but you could try just reducing and see if it helps.)

Again excellent. I would tend to favour stopping altogether and see what happens with your pulse rate. This way you will know that your exercise level is impacting on your metabolism. Then once you are able to maintain optimal pulse rate you can start to increase exercise. I would swap the lifting for walking, yoga, Butekyo Breathing, Tai Chi, Gi Gong as these are all energy harvesting activities. I know, I know, blokes and Type A females consider these ***** exercise; but just what you need to help restore balance.

It's possible you may need more than 3000 cal to recover. If you get hungry for more, I'd encourage you to listen to that. Including a wider range of foods if you are hungry for other things.

Yes tara is spot on. I would look at increasing calories more towards 3500. You have plenty muscles that would burn the extra calories even if you are not exercising.

Parmesan cheese on those potatoes???

Add some liver and shellfish???

Don't eat raw mushrooms. You need to boil them for a minimum of 2 - 3hrs to get rid of toxins in the raw state. I know much to learn :)

I know I am little OCD about food and you can go ahead and punch me in the face. If it was me; I would make the gelatin broth fresh from oxtails, lamb shanks/necks. Cooking for no longer than 3 - 4 hours and taking the fat off. This way you can boost nutrients, ketogenic and anti-inflammatory amino acids.

As tara said pulse rate can take time to come up. As long as you can see a trend to higher rates, then you know you are on track.

 

[DaveFoster]

Have you ever tried measuring your resting heart rate with a Fitbit? I find that by resting heart rate varies a lot during the day. But the Fitbit estimates resting heart rate by measuring it all day long and all night long (it does not use sleeping heartrate). It takes into account if you've taken any steps recently and your heart rate just before falling asleep. I find my "resting" heart rate during the day in the 80's just by observing my Fitbit heart rate after siting for 15-20 min or do. But my Fitbit always calculates my resting heart rate to be in the mid 60's. Seems like the way the Fitbit does it is much more accurate than say a BP monitor.

That's pretty interesting, but I wonder if that's significant. Do you know why it would be lower; does it just average the heart rate?

 

[DaveFoster]

Do you own a wrist module or a chest strap?

I do not; it just wraps around my arm.

 

[sladerunner69]

I do not; it just wraps around my arm.

Can a brotha please get a link up in here?

 

[DaveFoster]

Can a brotha please get a link up in here?

https://www.walmart.com/ip/LCD-Arm-...3623&wl11=online&wl12=132572295&wl13=&veh=sem

I use an Omron one.

 

[sladerunner69]

https://www.walmart.com/ip/LCD-Arm-...3623&wl11=online&wl12=132572295&wl13=&veh=sem

I use an Omron one.

Oh you just use one of those? that does hr readings right? I thought they just did blood pressure.

 

[thms]

Sounds like you don't know much about Ray Peat's science yet, because there are many on this forum trying to lower nitric oxide. Nitric Oxide is implicated in many diseases and cancer and even headaches, and it associated strongly with serotonin sickness. Yes it can help give your muscles that full pumped up feeling, and may even help achieve a firmer erection, but long term it is very detrimental to the body as a whole, and will probably bring down your androgens.

your right i didnt know about lowering nitric oxide because in the lifestyle that i used to live nitric oxide was always prayed to be a good thing..

how does one lower nitrix oxide?

cialis wouldnt be very benificial for health purposes i suppose then

Thanks for your help so far