Gut inflammation...

[mostlylurking]

Yesterday I took 18 drops of Magnoil. (The recommended dosage is 25 drops.) It's roughly one milligram of magnesium per drop. That is obviously a small dose, but it is almost fully absorbed whereas oral magnesium if generally absorbed at a much lower percentage. Like I said, I look forward to also adding back the magnesium glycinate when my gut issue settles down a bit more.

I went through gut hell fall of 2020 because I had to take several different antibiotics summer of 2020. One of the antibiotics was Bactrim. I was in big trouble. I emailed Ray Peat and he recommended thiamine and magnesium to heal my gut. Although it took several months to find the dosage that would work for me, Ray's advice was spot on.

 

[Nokoni]

I went through gut hell fall of 2020 because I had to take several different antibiotics summer of 2020. One of the antibiotics was Bactrim. I was in big trouble. I emailed Ray Peat and he recommended thiamine and magnesium to heal my gut. Although it took several months to find the dosage that would work for me, Ray's advice was spot on.

Good to know, thanks. I take 150 mg of allithiamine, which is equivalent to a much larger dose of thiamine HCl, again due to absorbtion, and which I plan to increase once my current difficulties subside a bit. And like I said, I plan to increase my magnesium. But also, I believe Ray was an advocate of using some antibiotic to control bacteria levels in the gut, but only certain antibiotics. I don't know Bactrim, but I believe doxycycline and minocycline were on his approved list. I am currently working to wean myself further from the former.

 

[Rinse & rePeat]

Off-gassing from furniture and mattresses cause digestive issues too. I had an episode, with another new piece of furniture, where I could not urinate, without taking a Tylenol, on and off for about a week or so, until I connected it to the new chair. It was scary. That chair had me vomiting profusely too. Once I figured it out, noticing that it only happened when I would sit on the chair, it never happened again avoiding the chair. I can’t image the doctor would have ever put that two and two together, but instead would have done extensive testing, and would have given me their best diagnoses and some pills….

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[OLLNX]

I know gut health is extremely important, but can it really wreck things to a point of almost crippling someone?

Severe anxiety, dizziness, bodywide pain and fatigue, weight gain, extreme nerves and tension?

Having proper digestion for a period of time is something I have never been able to manage, but genuinely curious as to if this could be something that really hinders things this much?

It took me almost 7 years of relatively strict Peat style diet to fix my gut issues. No joke. Unexplained diarrhea, night teeth grinding, sensitivity to many foods including gelatin, eggs, milk (lactose intolerance), raw carrot and many more. Terrible nightly nasal congestion for 15 years that no "specialist" could fix. Tried many approaches recommended by Ray Peat, including cyproheptadine, T3, red light directly to the belly area, pregnenolone, vit K and E ... basically everything that I could find recommended by RP. About half a year, out of the blue, all those issues started to disappear. I currently take no supplements. Very strict RP recommended diet. Absolutely no gut issues. Gained around 10 lbs of muscle. My point is, it might take long time to overcome some gut issues. Just wanted to share my experience.

 

[iLoveSugar]

What does your diet mainly consist of? Do you think anything helped tremendously?

I'm 38 and have had issues since I was a kid. I absolutely do not want to get another colonoscopy, but my stomach has been such a mess. I bleed often (due to straining), but it's been so long that it kinda worries me.

I've been "Peating" for about 12 years now.

 

[Vins7]

It took me almost 7 years of relatively strict Peat style diet to fix my gut issues. No joke. Unexplained diarrhea, night teeth grinding, sensitivity to many foods including gelatin, eggs, milk (lactose intolerance), raw carrot and many more. Terrible nightly nasal congestion for 15 years that no "specialist" could fix. Tried many approaches recommended by Ray Peat, including cyproheptadine, T3, red light directly to the belly area, pregnenolone, vit K and E ... basically everything that I could find recommended by RP. About half a year, out of the blue, all those issues started to disappear. I currently take no supplements. Very strict RP recommended diet. Absolutely no gut issues. Gained around 10 lbs of muscle. My point is, it might take long time to overcome some gut issues. Just wanted to share my experience.

How was your diet for healing? Without starch?

 

[OLLNX]

How was your diet for healing? Without starch

What does your diet mainly consist of? Do you think anything helped tremendously?

I'm 38 and have had issues since I was a kid. I absolutely do not want to get another colonoscopy, but my stomach has been such a mess. I bleed often (due to straining), but it's been so long that it kinda worries me.

I've been "Peating" for about 12 years now.

Fresh squeezed orange juice, no pulp whole foods brand orange juice, 1.5 Q raw grassfed milk with refined sugar, lobster tail, wild caught shrimp, Parmesan cheese (costco), local farm free range eggs (two every other day, fried in hydrogenated coconut oil), beef liver once a week (~ 6 oz) in h.coconut oil, graded raw carrot salad (non-iodized salt + distilled vinegar + h.coconum oil). I supplement with powdered egg shells (half teaspoon a day) and about 4 heaping table spoons of great lakes hydrolysate. Twice a week kale, well cooked (40 minutes) with 1 tspoon baking soda. I do not drink much water, only when I really thirsty after workout.s I dumped coffee. I know, RP mentioned coffee can be a good source of Mg and caffeine can help keeping your metabolism up, but I felt it negatively affects my digestion. No starch. No oils except hydrogenated coconut oil. No meds. No muscle meat. I calculated my carb intake is around 65%, 20% protein 15% fat. I have to mention I try to sunbath year round to sustain good levels of vitamin D.

 

[OLLNX]

How was your diet for healing? Without starch?

Fresh squeezed orange juice, no pulp whole foods brand orange juice, 1.5 Q raw grassfed milk with refined sugar, lobster tail, wild caught shrimp, Parmesan cheese (costco), local farm free range eggs (two every other day, fried in hydrogenated coconut oil), beef liver once a week (~ 6 oz) in h.coconut oil, graded raw carrot salad (non-iodized salt + distilled vinegar + h.coconut oil). I supplement with powdered egg shells (half teaspoon a day) and about 4 heaping table spoons of great lakes hydrolysate. Twice a week kale, well cooked (40 minutes) with 1 tspoon baking soda. I do not drink much water, only when I really thirsty after workout.s I dumped coffee. I know, RP mentioned coffee can be a good source of Mg and caffeine can help keeping your metabolism up, but I felt it negatively affects my digestion. No starch. No oils except hydrogenated coconut oil. No meds. No muscle meat. I calculated my carb intake is around 65%, 20% protein 15% fat. I have to mention I try to sunbath year round to sustain good levels of vitamin D.

 

[iLoveSugar]

Fresh squeezed orange juice, no pulp whole foods brand orange juice, 1.5 Q raw grassfed milk with refined sugar, lobster tail, wild caught shrimp, Parmesan cheese (costco), local farm free range eggs (two every other day, fried in hydrogenated coconut oil), beef liver once a week (~ 6 oz) in h.coconut oil, graded raw carrot salad (non-iodized salt + distilled vinegar + h.coconut oil). I supplement with powdered egg shells (half teaspoon a day) and about 4 heaping table spoons of great lakes hydrolysate. Twice a week kale, well cooked (40 minutes) with 1 tspoon baking soda. I do not drink much water, only when I really thirsty after workout.s I dumped coffee. I know, RP mentioned coffee can be a good source of Mg and caffeine can help keeping your metabolism up, but I felt it negatively affects my digestion. No starch. No oils except hydrogenated coconut oil. No meds. No muscle meat. I calculated my carb intake is around 65%, 20% protein 15% fat. I have to mention I try to sunbath year round to sustain good levels of vitamin D.

Do you think muscle meat hindered you? How much protein per day roughly? Mostly from milk? Do you live in a warmer year around area?

 

[OLLNX]

Do you think muscle meat hindered you? How much protein per day roughly? Mostly from milk? Do you live in a warmer year around area?

I have been getting inflammatory response even when I consumed relatively small amount of muscle meat. May be it's' just me.
I travel during winter. My protein intake is around 80 g. Some days less, especially when it is hot outside.

 

[iLoveSugar]

I have been getting inflammatory response even when I consumed relatively small amount of muscle meat. May be it's' just me.
I travel during winter. My protein intake is around 80 g. Some days less, especially when it is hot outside.

Very interesting. The best I ever felt was in the summer when I went on a pure milk diet.

I dont think I do great with meat either.

So this basically took you 7 years before it started working? Or do you think if you were doing this at first it would have helped way sooner?

Has your mood/energy improved at all or was that never an issue?

 

[OLLNX]

Very interesting. The best I ever felt was in the summer when I went on a pure milk diet.

I dont think I do great with milk either.

So this basically took you 7 years before it started working? Or do you think if you were doing this at first it would have helped way sooner?

Honestly, I do not know what happened. Nothing really changed much. Same diet I have been trying for 7 years! My best guess would be that I was oversaturated with PUFA.
My mood stabilized. Caloric intake is much lower. I think it is due to healthy thyroid level.
I am not saying you cannot get positive results sooner. I hope you do. I really do. I am just saying that in my case it took seven years. Seven years of frustration...

 

[iLoveSugar]

Honestly, I do not know what happened. Nothing really changed much. Same diet I have been trying for 7 years! My best guess would be that I was oversaturated with PUFA.
My mood stabilized. Caloric intake is much lower. I think it is due to healthy thyroid level.
I am not saying you cannot get positive results sooner. I hope you do. I really do. I am just saying that in my case it took seven years. Seven years of frustration...

I'm just surprised that after 6 years of it not working you continued to do the same thing.

So is your dinner pretty much the same dinner every night? Lobster tail or shrimp?

 

[OLLNX]

I'm just surprised that after 6 years of it not working you continued to do the same thing.

So is your dinner pretty much the same dinner every night? Lobster tail or shrimp?

I know, that would the very definition of insanity. But, I guess, I was out of tricks. I tried all kinds of diets out there. Nothing worked. Friggin doctors are no help at all. RP approach was the only thing left....

I alternate cheese, shrimp/lobster, raw oysters/steamed mussels I do not feel I need huge amount of protein.

 

[OLLNX]

I'm just surprised that after 6 years of it not working you continued to do the same thing.

So is your dinner pretty much the same dinner every night? Lobster tail or shrimp?

I am just thinking, the only major adjustment implemented was concentric-only strength training. I do lift relatively heavy. So, about 8 months ago I switched to concentric only strength training. No more crazy soreness after heavy lifting workouts. May be that? High levels of lactic acid could probably affect your gut as well. Who knows

 

[GreekDemiGod]

Fresh squeezed orange juice, no pulp whole foods brand orange juice, 1.5 Q raw grassfed milk with refined sugar, lobster tail, wild caught shrimp, Parmesan cheese (costco), local farm free range eggs (two every other day, fried in hydrogenated coconut oil), beef liver once a week (~ 6 oz) in h.coconut oil, graded raw carrot salad (non-iodized salt + distilled vinegar + h.coconut oil). I supplement with powdered egg shells (half teaspoon a day) and about 4 heaping table spoons of great lakes hydrolysate. Twice a week kale, well cooked (40 minutes) with 1 tspoon baking soda. I do not drink much water, only when I really thirsty after workout.s I dumped coffee. I know, RP mentioned coffee can be a good source of Mg and caffeine can help keeping your metabolism up, but I felt it negatively affects my digestion. No starch. No oils except hydrogenated coconut oil. No meds. No muscle meat. I calculated my carb intake is around 65%, 20% protein 15% fat. I have to mention I try to sunbath year round to sustain good levels of vitamin D.

You probably have intestinal permeability from not having fiber/ vegetables in your diet that make butyrate and seal the gut lining.

 

[OLLNX]

You probably have intestinal permeability from not having fiber/ vegetables in your diet that make butyrate and seal the gut lining.

Strongly disagree

 

[youngsinatra]

You probably have intestinal permeability from not having fiber/ vegetables in your diet that make butyrate and seal the gut lining.

I personally think it’s more likely a lack of symbiotic microbial diversity in the colon that is needed to even produce the butyrate and many other beneficial byproducts. If you have dysbiosis you probably don't tolerate many, if any fibrous plants foods.

 

[mostlylurking]

Strongly disagree

I thought so too. But then I found this:

Butyrate - an overview | ScienceDirect Topics

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"Short-chain fatty acids, especially butyrate, play a central metabolic role in maintaining the mucosal barrier in the gut. A lack of butyrate, leading to endogenous starvation of enterocytes, may be the cause of ulcerative colitis and other inflammatory conditions. The main source of butyrate is dietary fibre, but it can also be derived from structured biopolymers like DBC. Butyrate has been shown to increase wound healing and to reduce inflammation in the small intestine.93 In the colon, butyrate is the dominant energy source for epithelial cells and affects cellular proliferation and differentiation by as yet unknown mechanisms. Recent results suggest that the luminal provision of butyrate may be an appropriate means to improve wound healing in intestinal surgery and to ameliorate symptoms of inflammatory diseases."

 

[Sumbody]

Very interesting. The best I ever felt was in the summer when I went on a pure milk diet.

I was going to say, have any of you with gut issues ever tried the "Raw Milk Cure" protocol?

Personally thinking about trying something like that myself. I have access to raw milk, was thinking about doing something like 2-3 ounces every half hour or so for 8 hours a day. Just do that as long as I can or until I start to feel results.

I think the protocol is something similar to that. But just the point of consuming small amounts of raw milk continuously, would add much needed nutrients and likely help to positively modulate the intestinal microbiota.

The Mayo Clinic in the early 1900s claimed to be treating just about every disease using a similar protocol. Key here though is going to be through the use of raw milk.