5α-DHP - Liquid 5α-Dihydroprogesterone For Lab/R&D

[Constatine]

@Constatine i was going to reply but you summed it up perfectly. There is nothing wrong with trying to improve ourselves, whether that is cognitive function, athletic performance, aesthetic appearance, etc. However, the good news is, as both of you have stated; these goals are often achieved when one discovers how to stoke the metabolic fire. I for one lift 2x a month now after lifting 4x a week for 10 years. My body is the same, if not better but i have learned to not run on stress. For me, this has been a huge learning curve and means not working out all the time just because i feel i have to. This means working out when i am feeling dynamic, explosive, energetic, etc. I think once one learns that how they feel dictates how they will perform, look, etc the rest falls into place.

Way too often people get caught up in other things and forget to assess how their body feels. The best way to achieve optimal health is to pay attention to your body and experiment. I also work out way less than I used to and have 10x the body.

 

[brix]

Way too often people get caught up in other things and forget to assess how their body feels. The best way to achieve optimal health is to pay attention to your body and experiment. I also work out way less than I used to and have 10x the body.

That is interesting... What is the reasoning behind this? Better diet?

 

[Constatine]

That is interesting... What is the reasoning behind this? Better diet?

If your talking about the 10x better body it's due to a better diet (classic ray peat diet with an emphasis of variety and richly nutritional foods (like oysters), increased sun exposure, increased leisurely activity, increased thyroid function, and supplementation with many of haidut's products.

 

[Drareg]

As others have pointed out, forming a bridge with the bodybuilding community will lead to rampant idiocy and misuse of compounds, possibly leading to regulation. There's also a major philosophical gap between Peatarianism and BB. So far, our community has remained pretty consistent in sharing similar goals, purposes, and values. Philosophy is a core tenet of Peatarianism. You have to wonder what kind of philosophical assumptions people are making when they gear up to create a hyper-masculine, hyper-anabolic, hyper-sexual body that ultimately leads to a reduction in lifespan. There's a nihilistic impulse to find satisfaction in immediate sensory experience when people don't have the enduring satisfaction that comes from creative pursuits, political activism, spiritual growth, altruistic acts, or other forms of higher human development. You have to question where people have gone wrong that they are creating a hyper-sexualized identity when sex has been robbed of its primary function of procreation.

On RPF, we have maintained a relatively consistent identity. We have fended off the life-negating curse of naturalism which pervades most health-conscious communities (every evolutionary advance is a freak of nature in the eyes of conservative organisms). The debate of individualism vs. collectivism rages on with threads that have the highest views and posts. But the sexualism that is very common here deserves closer scrutiny, with many people very concerned with large gonads, large breasts, extreme leanness, muscular hypertrophy, high libido, ejaculatory volume, full head of hair, etc. I'm not trying to be hypocritical, because I am just as concerned about these things as anyone else. And I honestly am not trying to criticize anyone with the substances they use or how they communicate their results on other forums. I don't think that it is a problem, because so far we have pursued these things while maintaining an inviolable respect for metabolic health, well-being, and longevity. No one is using 5a-dhp in cancer-promoting doses. No one is cycling big doses of DHEA with an AI and HcG. If we start inviting bodybuilders over here, that will change because of the philosophical differences between Peatarianism, which is very much a fringe movement.

Peats philosophy is far from static,ever evolving so it's tricky to categorise it,unfortunately when he dies people will pick and choose.

I personally think sexuality is a big part of what Peat recommends in a good environment,speaking from a male perspective, frequent sex with a women you have a bond with is one of the most potent pills you can take.
Appreciating the form of a women's body from a male perspective should be appreciated as much as the mental aspect. If it's the form for you the desire and acting on it is expanding Imo.

When men on this forum complain of no libido from certain substances,its libido relative to porn,this is different to being in the presence of an attractive women,you need to be civil but sometimes cultures make it taboo for the sexes to view each other from this perspective,covering up the women,it's an extreme reaction,the opposite is a society full of men trying to hump ladies legs on the streets.

Some men suppress their rejection from women and go into a manic state,some go to extraordinary lengths for a lifetime from this alone. This is why men want to improve themselves physically,in your teens it's all about looks mainly,the rejection kids feel here is pretty harsh,everyone remembers the kids who were not considered attractive,labelled ugly,it's worse now with social media.
Some guys these days do the extreme on the physical,I've seen it work for guys who were never really considered by the "ladies".
What rarely works though is making up for a lack of attractiveness from a physical point of view with pseudo intellectualism or the tortured genius routine,most seem to see through this very quickly.

It seems to be natures way,more symmetry in the face,V shape torsos,larger than average penises,cheekbones,wider jaw,larger quads, larger calves muscles and symmetry in the body is preferred,even the ratio of body size to Penis has recently been shown to be significant.

Looks are not everything which is obvious,The question we have to ask is,if we have a guy with the above attributes,Close to perfection on the physical scale and his personality is liked by all,genuine decent guy,it's highly likely he will be preferred in many cases.

 

[Constatine]

Peats philosophy is far from static,ever evolving so it's tricky to categorise it,unfortunately when he dies people will pick and choose.

I personally think sexuality is a big part of what Peat recommends in a good environment,speaking from a male perspective, frequent sex with a women you have a bond with is one of the most potent pills you can take.
Appreciating the form of a women's body from a male perspective should be appreciated as much as the mental aspect. If it's the form for you the desire and acting on it is expanding Imo.

When men on this forum complain of no libido from certain substances,its libido relative to porn,this is different to being in the presence of an attractive women,you need to be civil but sometimes cultures make it taboo for the sexes to view each other from this perspective,covering up the women,it's an extreme reaction,the opposite is a society full of men trying to hump ladies legs on the streets.

Some men suppress their rejection from women and go into a manic state,some go to extraordinary lengths for a lifetime from this alone. This is why men want to improve themselves physically,in your teens it's all about looks mainly,the rejection kids feel here is pretty harsh,everyone remembers the kids who were not considered attractive,labelled ugly,it's worse now with social media.
Some guys these days do the extreme on the physical,I've seen it work for guys who were never really considered by the "ladies".
What rarely works though is making up for a lack of attractiveness from a physical point of view with pseudo intellectualism or the tortured genius routine,most seem to see through this very quickly.

It seems to be natures way,more symmetry in the face,V shape torsos,larger than average penises,cheekbones,wider jaw,larger quads, larger calves muscles and symmetry in the body is preferred,even the ratio of body size to Penis has recently been shown to be significant.

Looks are not everything which is obvious,The question we have to ask is,if we have a guy with the above attributes,Close to perfection on the physical scale and his personality is liked by all,genuine decent guy,it's highly likely he will be preferred in many cases.

Very well said. In many cases good physical attributes are accompanied by a good personally and above average intelligence. Physical attributes are more than anything a sign of the internal condition. Which is why being "shallow" is not as shallow as one might think.
I can't even imagine the burden on the modern day adolescent. Not only is there more pressure to be good looking due to social media but adolescents are becoming progressively less attractive due to lifestle changes in the modern day world (including diet of course). It's a terrible combo.

 

[pimpnamedraypeat]

Very well said. In many cases good physical attributes are accompanied by a good personally and above average intelligence. Physical attributes are more than anything a sign of the internal condition. Which is why being "shallow" is not as shallow as one might think.
I can't even imagine the burden on the modern day adolescent. Not only is there more pressure to be good looking due to social media but adolescents are becoming progressively less attractive due to lifestle changes in the modern day world (including diet of course). It's a terrible combo.

Yea it's rough. They all have long faces now it seems and most teens girls I see have the horrible posture that you used to see in life long computer programmers and desk jockeys.

 

[Drareg]

Very well said. In many cases good physical attributes are accompanied by a good personally and above average intelligence. Physical attributes are more than anything a sign of the internal condition. Which is why being "shallow" is not as shallow as one might think.
I can't even imagine the burden on the modern day adolescent. Not only is there more pressure to be good looking due to social media but adolescents are becoming progressively less attractive due to lifestle changes in the modern day world (including diet of course). It's a terrible combo.

It really is,even the elite parents and children are falling for dietary fads and paying the price physically.

 

[Drareg]

Yea it's rough. They all have long faces now it seems and most teens girls I see have the horrible posture that you used to see in life long computer programmers and desk jockeys.

Lol.
The use of the jaw is necessary for its correct growth,some people who grind teeth a lot as kids ended up with almost a 90 degree jaw angle.
Maybe in the future we will evolve to have small jaws like the alien heads because of high speed blenders and smoothies. What will be attractive culturally at this point is strong and refined typing hands,a 6th finger a sign of true beauty,plastic surgeons will be all over it.

 

[pimpnamedraypeat]

Lol.
The use of the jaw is necessary for its correct growth,some people who grind teeth a lot as kids ended up with almost a 90 degree jaw angle.
Maybe in the future we will evolve to have small jaws like the alien heads because of high speed blenders and smoothies. What will be attractive culturally at this point is strong and refined typing hands,a 6th finger a sign of true beauty,plastic surgeons will be all over it.

I know all about the jaw stuff and posture and mouthbreathing. It's funny, us peaters seem to learn about the same things.

Evolution doesn't work like that, we are attracted to traits that would help survive in ancestral environment. Good oral development will still be attractive.

 

[Drareg]

I know all about the jaw stuff and posture and mouthbreathing. It's funny, us peaters seem to learn about the same things.

Evolution doesn't work like that, we are attracted to traits that would help survive in ancestral environment. Good oral development will still be attractive.

We all start to sound the same too. Peat disciples,all hail Peat!

 

[Stevie]

@haidut
Could 5a-DHP be a suitable substitute for paroxetine?

If I've understood this article correctly I though possibly it could.

Neurosteroid secretion in panic disorder. - PubMed - NCBI

 

[Dhair]

Just got it the mail.
I know some folks were having a hard time with dropper. I seem to be having the same problem. It's hot here so presumably the solution should be flowing freely. I even rinsed out the inside of the dropper after popping it off and it still doesn't flow.
Ive tried the paperclip trick that @haidut suggested, but I can't penetrate through the bottle. But it seems that problem is with the dropper itself, not the fluid. The fluid is a fine consistency.
Anybody have any other tips? And yes, I have read the thread and I'm aware of the possible solutions. They just don't seem to be working for me. Thanks!
EDIT: Okay, so popped off the cap again and finally managed to force a paperclip through the top. It works fine now. I guess the tocopherols just do not get along well with the ideaslab bottles/droppers.

 

[haidut]

@haidut
Could 5a-DHP be a suitable substitute for paroxetine?

If I've understood this article correctly I though possibly it could.

Neurosteroid secretion in panic disorder. - PubMed - NCBI

Can't answer questions on direct comparison with regulated drugs. The 5a-DHP should elevate allopregnanolone levels as it is a direct precursor and has been shown to do so in animal studies.

 

[haidut]

Just got it the mail.
I know some folks were having a hard time with dropper. I seem to be having the same problem. It's hot here so presumably the solution should be flowing freely. I even rinsed out the inside of the dropper after popping it off and it still doesn't flow.
Ive tried the paperclip trick that @haidut suggested, but I can't penetrate through the bottle. But it seems that problem is with the dropper itself, not the fluid. The fluid is a fine consistency.
Anybody have any other tips? And yes, I have read the thread and I'm aware of the possible solutions. They just don't seem to be working for me. Thanks!
EDIT: Okay, so popped off the cap again and finally managed to force a paperclip through the top. It works fine now. I guess the tocopherols just do not get along well with the ideaslab bottles/droppers.

Yeah, the tocopherols in cold weather do not vibe well with the smaller bottle droppers. I think I found a solution though and it will be implemented on the next batch of the product.

 

[Stevie]

Can't answer questions on direct comparison with regulated drugs. The 5a-DHP should elevate allopregnanolone levels as it is a direct precursor and has been shown to do so in animal studies.

Thank you. Does paroxetine elevate allopregnanolone, and is this the reason for its success.

 

[haidut]

Thank you. Does paroxetine elevate allopregnanolone, and is this the reason for its success.

Did you Google before asking this question? Something as simple as "paroxetin allopregnanolone" would have answered your question in seconds.

 

[Dhair]

I tried my first 8mg of this yesterday.
It did put me in a good mood and I had a very distinct feeling of serenity. My brain seemed to feel a little more clear. I felt noticeably warm and comfortable. It was almost a very mild MDMA-type effect. Kind of strange but good.
My main reason for trying this was to possibly get rid of the brain fog that I've been dealing with since my fluoroquinolone poisoning ordeal. I also wanted something to powerfully suppress prolactin because I've been dealing with chronically puffy nipples for a few years now and I've had enough of it.
I guess there's no reason why I wouldnt be able to use this with 11-keto-DHT for the anti-gyno effects? As a side note, I'm beginning to think the puffy nipples are permanent.
I wonder if my tissue estrogen is just extremely high.
I'll post in a day or two after I up the dosage.

 

[BeLiKeWater]

I tried my first 8mg of this yesterday.
It did put me in a good mood and I had a very distinct feeling of serenity. My brain seemed to feel a little more clear. I felt noticeably warm and comfortable. It was almost a very mild MDMA-type effect. Kind of strange but good.
My main reason for trying this was to possibly get rid of the brain fog that I've been dealing with since my fluoroquinolone poisoning ordeal. I also wanted something to powerfully suppress prolactin because I've been dealing with chronically puffy nipples for a few years now and I've had enough of it.
I guess there's no reason why I wouldnt be able to use this with 11-keto-DHT for the anti-gyno effects? As a side note, I'm beginning to think the puffy nipples are permanent.
I wonder if my tissue estrogen is just extremely high.
I'll post in a day or two after I up the dosage.

Keep us informed I also developed puffy nipples since a big dose with tribulus.

 

[Stevie]

Did you Google before asking this question? Something as simple as "paroxetin allopregnanolone" would have answered your question in seconds.

Of course. However I find it all unfathomable. I hoped for a simple answer to a simple question about one of your products.

 

[haidut]

I tried my first 8mg of this yesterday.
It did put me in a good mood and I had a very distinct feeling of serenity. My brain seemed to feel a little more clear. I felt noticeably warm and comfortable. It was almost a very mild MDMA-type effect. Kind of strange but good.
My main reason for trying this was to possibly get rid of the brain fog that I've been dealing with since my fluoroquinolone poisoning ordeal. I also wanted something to powerfully suppress prolactin because I've been dealing with chronically puffy nipples for a few years now and I've had enough of it.
I guess there's no reason why I wouldnt be able to use this with 11-keto-DHT for the anti-gyno effects? As a side note, I'm beginning to think the puffy nipples are permanent.
I wonder if my tissue estrogen is just extremely high.
I'll post in a day or two after I up the dosage.

Thanks for the feedback. In theory the 5a-DHP can be combined with the 11-keto but I am just not sure there is a need for that as the 11-keto should give all the androgenic response needed.