Which vaccine is the safest to take?

[rei]

Ray seems to share the same opinion as what i have concluded. Novavax is a more toxic version of second hand exposure to spike protein shedding from RNA vaccinated individuals. But at least it does not turn your cells against you.

Anyone know if they use natural spike protein or the toxic version produced by the RNA vaccines?

 

[Peatness]

Ray seems to share the same opinion as what i have concluded. Novavax is a more toxic version of second hand exposure to spike protein shedding from RNA vaccinated individuals. But at least it does not turn your cells against you.

Anyone know if they use natural spike protein or the toxic version produced by the RNA vaccines?

Why not put energy into challenging a system that wants to mandate unnecessary vaccinations?

 

[HyperPeatarian]

I have taken a double dose of Phizer vaccine and felt, well.... Nothing.
I observed for any reaction because I had allergic reactions to vaccines as a child.
GL, take the best decision considering your circumstances.

Hmm interesting, my mother still doesn’t feel well.

 

[nomoreketones]

... But at least it does not turn your cells against you.

The issue with the mRNA vaccines is not that they turn your cells against you. One hypothesis is the mRNA leaks into the blood stream and is absorbed by endothelial cells in blood vessels. The spike protein made from the instructions encoded in the mRNA is expressed in the cell wall. The cell wall becomes rough like sandpaper triggering the body's clotting system. According to this hypothesis, people who get vaccinated can have thousands of tiny blood clots in thousands of tiny tiny blood vessels.

I have not come across an alternate hypothesis that explain all the side effects and other conditions caused by the mRNA vaccines.

Anyone know if they use natural spike protein or the toxic version produced by the RNA vaccines?

The Novavax vaccine does not use the spike protein from the actual COVID virus. To manufacture the spikes they took an insect virus that infects moth cells and genetically engineered the insect virus in a way similar to the way viruses in the J&J and AstraZeneca vaccines are modified. The genetically engineered insect virus puts new DNA into the moth cell's nucleus instructing the moth cells to produce the spikes. They then take these spikes that were produced by the moth cells and attach them to a small particle. This particle with spikes sticking out is then injected into humans.

 

[gaze]

The Novavax vaccine does not use the spike protein from the actual COVID virus. To manufacture the spikes they took an insect virus that infects moth cells and genetically engineered the insect virus in a way similar to the way viruses in the J&J and AstraZeneca vaccines are modified. The genetically engineered insect virus puts new DNA into the moth cell's nucleus instructing the moth cells to produce the spikes. They then take these spikes that were produced by the moth cells and attach them to a small particle. This particle with spikes sticking out is then injected into humans.

I dont understand why they go through all this effort when they can just do it the traditional way by using an inactivated virus like the Chinese vaccines

 

[Lollipop2]

The issue with the mRNA vaccines is not that they turn your cells against you. One hypothesis is the mRNA leaks into the blood stream and is absorbed by endothelial cells in blood vessels. The spike protein made from the instructions encoded in the mRNA is expressed in the cell wall. The cell wall becomes rough like sandpaper triggering the body's clotting system. According to this hypothesis, people who get vaccinated can have thousands of tiny blood clots in thousands of tiny tiny blood vessels.

I have not come across an alternate hypothesis that explain all the side effects and other conditions caused by the mRNA vaccines.


The Novavax vaccine does not use the spike protein from the actual COVID virus. To manufacture the spikes they took an insect virus that infects moth cells and genetically engineered the insect virus in a way similar to the way viruses in the J&J and AstraZeneca vaccines are modified. The genetically engineered insect virus puts new DNA into the moth cell's nucleus instructing the moth cells to produce the spikes. They then take these spikes that were produced by the moth cells and attach them to a small particle. This particle with spikes sticking out is then injected into humans.

Thank you for this excellent explanatory post.

 

[nomoreketones]

I dont understand why they go through all this effort when they can just do it the traditional way by using an inactivated virus like the Chinese vaccines

Agreed. I have had several traditional inactivated virus vaccines during my lifetime and never had a single problem. That is the type of COVID vaccine that I want.

We were supposed to have an inactivated virus vaccine in the United States this summer. A company called Ocugen in the Untied States was going to bring to market Covaxin created by an Indian company called Bharat Biotech. Unfortunately the FDA wouldn't give emergency authorization to Covaxin so Covaxin will have to go through the full approval process. So the earliest we will have an inactivated virus vaccine in the United States now is 2023.

I don't know why the FDA won't allow Covaxin in the United States under emergency authorization but it really pissed me off. It is ridiculous to put pressure on the population to get vaccinated while only offering mRNA and viral vector vaccines.

 

[theordinarydude]

For the benefit of those who did not catch the Stew Peters interview of Dr Jane Ruby on Novavax and are holding on to the hope of getting jabbed with it because it is not MRNA based:





Quick summary of Stew Peters interview of Dr Jane Ruby about Novavax





1. Novavax does not inject mrna into the human body. To get spike proteins produced to create an antibody response, it contains pre-made spike proteins in the injections.





2. The spike proteins are pre-manufactured by infecting moths with mrna instead. The exact composition of the harvested spike proteins is unknown at the moment, but presumed to be modelled after some variant of the SARS COV2 coronavirus or a "frankenstein" form of spike that does not even exist in nature.





3. This unnatural synthetic spike protein is then wrapped by lipid nano particles for injection into humans just as in mrna therapy. The use of lipid nano particles is implicated in the mechanism by which spike proteins no longer remain around the injection site but instead travel all over the body to incur microscopic blood clots.





4. Next, just as mrna therapy uses the toxic Polyethylene Glycol (PEG) as an "adjuvant" to shock the immune system into action when an intruder spike protein is injected into the body, Novavax uses a unique saponin (soap-like irritant particles) as the adjuvant. This saponin is only found in a rare species of trees in Chile. This implies that lots of these trees may become chopped down for their bark containing the unique saponin. Scalability and sustainability may become an issue to meet world supply-chain needs.





5. Finally, the last ingredient in Novavax is unique and not found in any other vaccine/therapy: They add PRION particles into the mix. Prions are the notorious chemicals responsible for brain damage in mad cow disease, and in brain diseases such as Alzheimer's Disease/Dementia. Studies have shown that prions causes massive amounts of lewey bodies in the brains of 'humanised' monkeys and mice, inevitably leading to 90+% death rates.





6. In the case of Novavax, they use an HIV-like prion called glycoprotein 120 (GP120) previously used in HIV vaccines that have never been approved or commercialised. The use of GP120 is presumably to induce broadly neutralising antibodies which other COVID-19 vaccines/therapies do not. (S-Trimer, a COVID-19 subunit vaccine candidate, induces protective immunity in nonhuman primates - Nature Communications) (NEJM Journal Watch: Summaries of and commentary on original medical and scientific articles from key medical journals)





7. GP120 has documented neurotoxicity in HIV research. (gp120 neurotoxicity fails to induce heat shock defenses, while the over expression of hsp70 protects against gp120 - PubMed)

 

[HyperPeatarian]

For the benefit of those who did not catch the Stew Peters interview of Dr Jane Ruby on Novavax and are holding on to the hope of getting jabbed with it because it is not MRNA based:





Quick summary of Stew Peters interview of Dr Jane Ruby about Novavax





1. Novavax does not inject mrna into the human body. To get spike proteins produced to create an antibody response, it contains pre-made spike proteins in the injections.





2. The spike proteins are pre-manufactured by infecting moths with mrna instead. The exact composition of the harvested spike proteins is unknown at the moment, but presumed to be modelled after some variant of the SARS COV2 coronavirus or a "frankenstein" form of spike that does not even exist in nature.





3. This unnatural synthetic spike protein is then wrapped by lipid nano particles for injection into humans just as in mrna therapy. The use of lipid nano particles is implicated in the mechanism by which spike proteins no longer remain around the injection site but instead travel all over the body to incur microscopic blood clots.





4. Next, just as mrna therapy uses the toxic Polyethylene Glycol (PEG) as an "adjuvant" to shock the immune system into action when an intruder spike protein is injected into the body, Novavax uses a unique saponin (soap-like irritant particles) as the adjuvant. This saponin is only found in a rare species of trees in Chile. This implies that lots of these trees may become chopped down for their bark containing the unique saponin. Scalability and sustainability may become an issue to meet world supply-chain needs.





5. Finally, the last ingredient in Novavax is unique and not found in any other vaccine/therapy: They add PRION particles into the mix. Prions are the notorious chemicals responsible for brain damage in mad cow disease, and in brain diseases such as Alzheimer's Disease/Dementia. Studies have shown that prions causes massive amounts of lewey bodies in the brains of 'humanised' monkeys and mice, inevitably leading to 90+% death rates.





6. In the case of Novavax, they use an HIV-like prion called glycoprotein 120 (GP120) previously used in HIV vaccines that have never been approved or commercialised. The use of GP120 is presumably to induce broadly neutralising antibodies which other COVID-19 vaccines/therapies do not. (S-Trimer, a COVID-19 subunit vaccine candidate, induces protective immunity in nonhuman primates - Nature Communications) (NEJM Journal Watch: Summaries of and commentary on original medical and scientific articles from key medical journals)





7. GP120 has documented neurotoxicity in HIV research. (gp120 neurotoxicity fails to induce heat shock defenses, while the over expression of hsp70 protects against gp120 - PubMed)

Wow, very scientific and informative post. Thanks so much for your input.

 

[HyperPeatarian]

Agreed. I have had several traditional inactivated virus vaccines during my lifetime and never had a single problem. That is the type of COVID vaccine that I want.

We were supposed to have an inactivated virus vaccine in the United States this summer. A company called Ocugen in the Untied States was going to bring to market Covaxin created by an Indian company called Bharat Biotech. Unfortunately the FDA wouldn't give emergency authorization to Covaxin so Covaxin will have to go through the full approval process. So the earliest we will have an inactivated virus vaccine in the United States now is 2023.

I don't know why the FDA won't allow Covaxin in the United States under emergency authorization but it really pissed me off. It is ridiculous to put pressure on the population to get vaccinated while only offering mRNA and viral vector vaccines.

Yeah, Covaxin sounds like the most natural approach. If I was forced to take the vaccine, I would prefer an inactivated virus.

 

[Peatness]

WHAT ARE THE INGREDIENTS IN THE BHARAT BIOTECH COVID-19 VACCINE
(COVAXINTM)?
The BHARAT BIOTECH COVID-19 VACCINE (COVAXINTM) includes the following ingredients:
COVAXINTM contains 6μ g of whole-virion inactivated SARS-CoV-2 antigen (Strain: NIV-2020-770),
and the other inactive ingredients such as aluminum hydroxide gel (250 μg), TLR 7/8 agonist
(imidazoquinolinone) 15 μg, 2-phenoxyethanol 2.5 mg, and phosphate buffer saline up to 0.5 ml. The
vaccine (COVAXINTM) thus has been developed by using inactivated/killed virus along with the
aforementioned chemicals.

There is nothing 'natural' about this

 

[gaze]

WHAT ARE THE INGREDIENTS IN THE BHARAT BIOTECH COVID-19 VACCINE
(COVAXINTM)?
The BHARAT BIOTECH COVID-19 VACCINE (COVAXINTM) includes the following ingredients:
COVAXINTM contains 6μ g of whole-virion inactivated SARS-CoV-2 antigen (Strain: NIV-2020-770),
and the other inactive ingredients such as aluminum hydroxide gel (250 μg), TLR 7/8 agonist
(imidazoquinolinone) 15 μg, 2-phenoxyethanol 2.5 mg, and phosphate buffer saline up to 0.5 ml. The
vaccine (COVAXINTM) thus has been developed by using inactivated/killed virus along with the
aforementioned chemicals.

There is nothing 'natural' about this

sounds like any other normal vaccine, a dead virus with aluminum adjuvant to stimulate an immune response, combined with some random named chemicals as stabilizers.

any immune stimulation, especially using aluminum in the muscle, is not "natural", but by definition that is what a vaccine is, unlike the MRNA, viral vector, or the nanoparticle spike protein.

the traditional vaccines are the lesser evil comparatively, but that's an individual conclusion. here's what ray said about those type of vaccines:

Asking about the Covivac vaccine, which is inactivated virus. I sent him the description from wikipedia;

"According to that description, it should be no more harmful than any traditional vaccine using aluminum hydroxide, and obviously safer than the injection of nucleic acids specifying the spike protein—which has no rational basis in science. Intramuscular aluminum hydroxide is always harmful to some degree, and is based on ignorance of the nature of biological disease resistance."

 

[nomoreketones]

the traditional vaccines are the lesser evil comparatively, but that's an individual conclusion. here's what ray said about those type of vaccines:

I agree.

If the CDC and FDA in the United States were really serious about getting the majority of the population vaccinated, they would make sure a traditional vaccine one of the options. Millions of Americans don't like the mRNA and viral vector vaccines.

Spoiler alert - the CDC and FDA don't care about the percentage of Americans that get vaccinated. They just care about maximizing profit for American pharmaceutical companies.

 

[Peatness]

sounds like any other normal vaccine, a dead virus with aluminum adjuvant to stimulate an immune response, combined with some random named chemicals as stabilizers.

any immune stimulation, especially using aluminum in the muscle, is not "natural", but by definition that is what a vaccine is, unlike the MRNA, viral vector, or the nanoparticle spike protein.

Thank you. I am aware of this. I made my point and I insist on us challenging ‘vaccine’ mandates rather than looking for ways to enslave ourselves to yearly shots. So called traditional vaccines are risky for autoimmune disease among other things. Imagine having aluminium hydroxide injected into you every year. If anyone wants to know what it feels like to experience an autoimmune disease feel free to pm me.

 

[gaze]

I agree.

If the CDC and FDA in the United States were really serious about getting the majority of the population vaccinated, they would make sure a traditional vaccine one of the options. Millions of Americans don't like the mRNA and viral vector vaccines.

Spoiler alert - the CDC and FDA don't care about the percentage of Americans that get vaccinated. They just care about maximizing profit for American pharmaceutical companies.

definitely. just look at moderna stock (ironically their stock ticker is MRNA), on january 20th 2020 the stock price was 20, currently it's 350. i believe 4 or 5 executives have become billionaires from the 1750% percent increase in share value.

Thank you. I am aware of this. I made my point and I insist on us challenging ‘vaccine’ mandates rather than looking for ways to enslave ourselves to yearly shots. So called traditional vaccines are risky for autoimmune disease among other things. Imagine having aluminium hydroxide injected into you every year. If anyone wants to know what it feels like to experience an autoimmune disease feel free to pm me.

agreed. the excessive immune stimulation is a major problem. Do you or anyone remember ray talking about creating vaccines without an adjuvant? i think he said it may be possible to put inactive viruses underneath the layer of skin or something similar, i forget. that would be interesting if they could figure out how to create immunity using an inactive virus without the necessity of an adjuvant

 

[Peatness]

definitely. just look at moderna stock (ironically their stock ticker is MRNA), on january 20th 2020 the stock price was 20, currently it's 350. i believe 4 or 5 executives have become billionaires from the 1750% percent increase in share value.


agreed. the excessive immune stimulation is a major problem. Do you or anyone remember ray talking about creating vaccines without an adjuvant? i think he said it may be possible to put inactive viruses underneath the layer of skin or something similar, i forget. that would be interesting if they could figure out how to create immunity using an inactive virus without the necessity of an adjuvant

Vitamin D, progesterone, pregnenolone, thyroid, fruit juices, fruit, milk, all the micronutrients that Dr Peat talks about i.e. good metabolism should protect you.

 

[MyUsernameHere]

sounds like any other normal vaccine, a dead virus with aluminum adjuvant to stimulate an immune response, combined with some random named chemicals as stabilizers.

any immune stimulation, especially using aluminum in the muscle, is not "natural", but by definition that is what a vaccine is, unlike the MRNA, viral vector, or the nanoparticle spike protein.

the traditional vaccines are the lesser evil comparatively, but that's an individual conclusion. here's what ray said about those type of vaccines:

What does it even mean for a virus to be 'inactivated' and how does aluminium help to initiate an immune response?

 

[Peatness]

Human papilloma virus vaccine and primary ovarian failure: another facet of the autoimmune/inflammatory syndrome induced by adjuvants.

 

[gaze]

What does it even mean for a virus to be 'inactivated' and how does aluminium help to initiate an immune response?

I think an inactivated virus is when they take a sample of the whole virus and kill it, meaning it can't repilicate anymore. they then combine that dead virus with an adjuvant like aluminum, because the aluminum is a toxin that stimulates an immune response to get rid of it, and once your immune system is overactive it then finds the dead virus and makes antibodies to it. the theory is that if they don't include a toxin to make the immune system overactive, no antibodies will be created because the dead virus as it stands alone is too insignicant for the body to muster a defensive response to it. that's why it requires an immune stimulation so the body finds less significant threats and makes antibodies. creating a vaccine with 0 adjuvant or immune stimulation would be very beneficial, although Im not sure how it can be done

this adjuvant mechanism, repeated over and over again, can create autoimmune issues because the immune system becomes so over reactive it starts attacking itself. not to mention the aluminum injected can find its way to the brain and other undesirable places. the overall mechanism is dangerous, but far less dangerous the mrna mechanism, and at least theres decades of trials behind it, and all of us have likely taken these vaccines before

 

[gaze]

Vitamin D, progesterone, pregnenolone, thyroid, fruit juices, fruit, milk, all the micronutrients that Dr Peat talks about i.e. good metabolism should protect you.

2 things:

1. the average american doesn't have the time, money, or desire to improve their own health. the average person doesn't even care what's inside their mcdonald's burger and fries, or what's in cigarettes, or the harmful effects of drugs, or alchohol. so getting them to all of a sudden care about their own health, and do complete dietary changes, is a difficult task. of course some may say that's their own responsibility, and while I agree, it doesn't mean they should just be let to die if their is a potential treatment. also many of them work hard labor jobs, or have to take care of multiple family members with not a lot of money. A completely new way of life is needed, which is easier said than done and most people are resistant to lifestyle changes.


2. how many people on this forums have tried all these things and are still ill and have poor metabolisms? it's hard to fix a lifetime worth of health problems. Not only that but some people have bad reactions to progesterone or vitamin D, or they can't get access to good quality pregnenolone or ripe fruits, etc. sometimes, especially for older high risk people, targeted vaccines (assuming they're traditionally made) can sometimes provide a net positive, especially for the more deadly pathogens (of which corona is probably not one of them). by targeted I mean offering the vaccines to very high risk local populations, as opposed to vaccinating 90% of the world including all the healthy people.