What Do You Guys Think Of Masturbating And Do You Do It

[gately]

Chaos ensues when things like NoFap become popular without understanding its roots. More guilt, more shame, more sense of failure, when most of these men were already starting out with an above average burden of all of these.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[ecstatichamster]

if you don't have a partner, masturbation can be great. What's not to like?

It does take something out of a man. There is a high biological cost to ejaculation. You can "edge" or learn dry orgasms and not ejaculate often, while masturbating very often. There is also some fantastic prostate massage stuff that you can do.

There is a world of pleasure here and no reason not to pursue it. I say, masturbate often, and come seldom.

 

[ecstatichamster]

one important thing. I think porn is bad. I think it creates loss of sensation and ED and unhappiness. I think it's critical to avoid it.

 

[Jib]

if you don't have a partner, masturbation can be great. What's not to like?

It does take something out of a man. There is a high biological cost to ejaculation. You can "edge" or learn dry orgasms and not ejaculate often, while masturbating very often. There is also some fantastic prostate massage stuff that you can do.

There is a world of pleasure here and no reason not to pursue it. I say, masturbate often, and come seldom.

The idea of prostate massage horrifies me. I don't know what my issue is but I have kind of severe body issues. I can't even touch my own balls without cringing or feeling like I'm going to throw up. It just freaks me out/makes me extremely uncomfortable. I recently installed a bidet on my toilet and it's taken me months to get used to a jet of water blasting me in the **** so I can't really imagine anything going farther in there. Freaks me the hell out big time, Idk what it is, but it's like phobia level with this stuff. Like same as the idea of licking a giant spider or something like that.

I have been trying to work on premature ejaculation. I did notice a week ago or so while masturbating, I was able to experience a kind of semi-orgasm without any actual urge to ejaculate. It was a very distinct tingling feeling. I felt like "that must be it," like that must be the key to control, experiencing that pleasure without the urge to ejaculate. However, I have no idea how I did it.

I do think circumcision makes a huge difference as well. I was circumcised "high and tight" with a lot of foreskin removal, so much so that I had to do some small amount of foreskin restoration to be able to masturbate without lubrication, just to have enough skin movement so masturbation was not painful, as it was before.

I think it's tough to experience pleasure without ejaculation when you have no frenulum or foreskin. For a while now I've thought that might have something to do with premature ejaculation; if you feel no pleasure from sexual stimulation outside of orgasm, it would make sense you'd pursue orgasm way more intensely and quickly than a normal, feeling person would.

Without ejaculation, I really don't feel much of anything at all, with the exception of that session I had a week ago or so. And it wasn't a penile sensation as much as a bodily tingling sensation, if that makes sense? It felt semi-orgasmic but I felt in complete control of my ejaculation. That makes me curious to learn more.

The idea of sex without ejaculation is hard for me to imagine, and I never managed to try that with my ex girlfriend in the 3+ years we were together. I always would end up ejaculating. In the beginning I imagine it takes a tremendous amount of self control to manage that.

However, I can totally understand the drain of ejaculation. Like you're just completely done, and no matter how aroused you were before, you completely lose interest in your partner afterwards. It's pretty brutal. I can very easily imagine the high you'd get from not ejaculating, and maintaining that state of arousal in a controlled, energetic manner.

Kudos to you for sticking with that, again, I imagine it would take a tremendous amount of control and discipline. If you don't mind me asking, what about your partner? Is the abstinence from orgasms mutual? Do you think there's much leeway with this? Making my ex have an orgasm was basically my favorite thing in the world to do, that would potentially be even harder to give up.

However I'm in hermit mode now, so not a present concern. Still interesting to think about. And I could very well practice masturbation without ejaculation, even just here and there to experiment. And it could perhaps help a great deal with ejaculatory control.

There's a huge stigma about sex toys for men. But Fleshlights are great. Especially if you're circumcised like me and manual masturbation is painful/uncomfortable. Standing and thrusting into it can also be a workout. I'm not sure I'd attend a workout class where this was the theme however.

 

[ilhanxx]

I do only imagination without any dijital screen. I didn't experience any bad result with or without girlfriend. I dont think nofap or excessive fapping is a good thing. Porn is the evil. If you use porn, give up, after a meanwhile spontaneous and morning erection will improve, some brainfog recover.

 

[YourUniverse]

Ejaculated quiets the mind briefly. Excitotoxicity speeds up thoughts, which might explain why the unwell or anxious are drawn to porn, which then creates a vicious circle

 

[lvysaur]

The unhealthy orgasm is very strong and pleasurable, while the healthy orgasm is brief and light. I don't know which is supposed to be healthy, but the light orgasms are what I had throughout all my life until recently so I'm betting it's that one.

I guess it depends on what exactly you mean by "light" vs "strong".

My frantic unhealthy orgasms feel more intense, but also light at the same time. The contractions are quicker and intense, but also lighter and superficial.

My satistfying healthy orgasms feel like the contractions are much slower. But they're also a lot deeper.

 

[orewashin]

I keep thinking this thread's title is "What do you think about while masturbating", which would be pretty darn personal. What do I think about it? Early on, youths explore their sexuality, but once they figure things out, masturbation just becomes a chore because they already know how their bodies and minds respond to certain stimuli.

So it can be anabolic to knowledge and development, but over time, it ceases to be so, like a child being stimulated by toys at first and later on moving on to adult stuff like discussing whether masturbation is good or not on the internet.

 

[snacks]

I keep thinking this thread's title is "What do you think about while masturbating", which would be pretty darn personal. What do I think about it? Early on, youths explore their sexuality, but once they figure things out, masturbation just becomes a chore because they already know how their bodies and minds respond to certain stimuli.

So it can be anabolic to knowledge and development, but over time, it ceases to be so, like a child being stimulated by toys at first and later on moving on to adult stuff like discussing whether masturbation is good or not on the internet.

at this point we should just merge with a nofap forum since every thread that goes on long enough eventually mentions masturbation and threads about it get 50+ replies in days

 

[Jib]

at this point we should just merge with a nofap forum since every thread that goes on long enough eventually mentions masturbation and threads about it get 50+ replies in days

Lol.

Sign of the times? I think it really is true that we're living in a state of extreme sexual repression. It's rampant in pornography and the media but people's actual sexual relationships in real life seem, on the whole, to be suffering tremendously in modern times.

When I had a great sex life, I could not have cared less about talking about sex at all. Let alone on the Internet. Just lost all interest for me. Then a couple years of being single and all of a sudden, someone posts a thread about masturbation, and my brain is like "Oh, look! Shiny object!"

The communal aspect (e.g., NoFap) is huge. I've personally never been a part of it, but I can see how the sense of comradery is, in a way, an attempt to make up for the lack of connection that would normally be established in an intimate relationship.

It is peculiar to me that so many people are like "you don't need sex, it's not like you'll die without it," then blatantly ignore the extreme neuroticism rampant in society that revolves around sex, most likely due to a complete lack of a healthy amount of it.

It's a moot point though. You could argue that touch/sex/affection is a need, and without it, things just go haywire in most people. It's simply an outcome of a deficiency, like people with low thyroid being tired all the time, gaining weight, etc. It's just the consequence of deficiency. So it's just gonna be what it is. It does make me question what's happened in evolution because open sexuality for everyone has definitely not been a thing in any human societies I'm aware of, in the present or in the past. It seems clear that sexual deprivation is not good for anyone but it isn't exactly clear to me why.

And the only reason I'm even thinking about this right now or typing any of this is because sex is not a part of my life right now, and hasn't been for a while. I rest my case. And will restate that a joint and a blowjob would solve most of the neuroticism for most people if implemented with some regularity.

 

[not_James_Bond]

@Jib
I do think circumcision makes a huge difference as well. I was circumcised "high and tight" with a lot of foreskin removal, so much so that I had to do some small amount of foreskin restoration to be able to masturbate without lubrication, just to have enough skin movement so masturbation was not painful, as it was before.

I feel sorry for guys who are circumcised, I know that it usually isn't by choice, but it is IMO totally pointless practice. It is surprising how much FGM is 'approached' sometimes in the media but circumcision very rarely, if ever

Fleshlight's are great IMO, you can thrust into them and approximate normal intercourse plus as long as you maintain your erection is very safe for penis tissue.

I do think you need to get over your aversion to your balls lol, might be easier said than done. I think member terma posted something about prostate massage and it can offer a different kind of orgasm Oxytocin A Single Dose Leads To A Permanent Increase? (Positive Feedback)

I think discussing this subject here is perfectly sound, we are incognito so what is the hang-ups?? If you are in a relationship then masturbation shouldn't be a 'regular' thing.

 

[Geronimo]

If you feel like having some Beef Strokinoff, then by all means have some. It's not that serious. Stressing about it will be worse than occasionally jerkin the Gerken.

 

[Jib]

I feel sorry for guys who are circumcised, I know that it usually isn't by choice, but it is IMO totally pointless practice. It is surprising how much FGM is 'approached' sometimes in the media but circumcision very rarely, if ever

Fleshlight's are great IMO, you can thrust into them and approximate normal intercourse plus as long as you maintain your erection is very safe for penis tissue.

I do think you need to get over your aversion to your balls lol, might be easier said than done. I think member terma posted something about prostate massage and it can offer a different kind of orgasm Oxytocin A Single Dose Leads To A Permanent Increase? (Positive Feedback)

I think discussing this subject here is perfectly sound, we are incognito so what is the hang-ups?? If you are in a relationship then masturbation shouldn't be a 'regular' thing.

Yep, I was circumcised (mutilated) at birth. It enrages me that FGM is labeled FGM and MGM is labeled 'circumcision.' I haven't been able to find it but there was a video on YouTube comparing women who had been 'circumcised' and men who had been 'circumcised.' Women in the middle east and men in America. They were saying almost exactly the same things:

"It's cleaner."

"It feels better and offers greater sexual pleasure."

"It looks better."

"We're happy that we had it done."

It was completely mind blowing. And yet people still think of MGM as "circumcision." It is simply nothing but 1984 "Doublespeak," using a euphemism to downplay the seriousness of something. It's too painful for men to admit what happened to them and acknowledge the permanent sexual damage done, and it's too painful for the people who chose to have it done to their baby boys to admit what they did and acknowledge the permanent sexual damage done.

All in all it's a result of being cowards and not facing reality. Rather stick their heads in the sand because actually abolishing this barbaric practice would require some extremely uncomfortable self-reflection and accepting the fact that this is serious, lifelong damage that seriously affects a person's quality of life. I will also make the point that all mutilation is not equal, and the amount of remaining foreskin/frenulum varies widely between sexual mutilation victims.

Moving on:

Maybe at some point I'll get over those hangups I have. I'm not sure what it is. I wish it was a phenomenon so I didn't feel so alone with it, have never met or heard of anyone else having issues like this, with their own body freaking them out. It's pretty inconvenient.

 

[Geronimo]

Yep, I was circumcised (mutilated) at birth. It enrages me that FGM is labeled FGM and MGM is labeled 'circumcision.' I haven't been able to find it but there was a video on YouTube comparing women who had been 'circumcised' and men who had been 'circumcised.' Women in the middle east and men in America. They were saying almost exactly the same things:

"It's cleaner."

"It feels better and offers greater sexual pleasure."

"It looks better."

"We're happy that we had it done."

It was completely mind blowing. And yet people still think of MGM as "circumcision." It is simply nothing but 1984 "Doublespeak," using a euphemism to downplay the seriousness of something. It's too painful for men to admit what happened to them and acknowledge the permanent sexual damage done, and it's too painful for the people who chose to have it done to their baby boys to admit what they did and acknowledge the permanent sexual damage done.

All in all it's a result of being cowards and not facing reality. Rather stick their heads in the sand because actually abolishing this barbaric practice would require some extremely uncomfortable self-reflection and accepting the fact that this is serious, lifelong damage that seriously affects a person's quality of life. I will also make the point that all mutilation is not equal, and the amount of remaining foreskin/frenulum varies widely between sexual mutilation victims.

Moving on:

Maybe at some point I'll get over those hangups I have. I'm not sure what it is. I wish it was a phenomenon so I didn't feel so alone with it, have never met or heard of anyone else having issues like this, with their own body freaking them out. It's pretty inconvenient.

I'm incredibly glad to be circumcised and to have had it done when I wasn't forming memories yet lol

 

[Ableton]

being in decent health, masturbation was perfectly fine, I didn't suffer any acute ill effects from it, but now in poor health masturbation is incredibly draining, I feel like going to bed right after for hours. There's also a distinct difference in the orgasm, and I can tell because oysters are incredible for my libido and I can yo-yo across the border that nominally separates good health from bad health in days or weeks with them. The unhealthy orgasm is very strong and pleasurable, while the healthy orgasm is brief and light. I don't know which is supposed to be healthy, but the light orgasms are what I had throughout all my life until recently so I'm betting it's that one.

it's probably another case where a healthy metabolism can return to the equilibrium quickly

teenagers have harder orgasms and better health

 

[kyle]

@gately
By their own account, doing what you're saying will result in them falling back into their old addiction. Someone compulsively masturbating to porn several times a day for years until they're completely impotent and life ruined has probably done a great deal of alteration and damage to their nervous and glandular systems, and who knows what else.

Another point is yoga practitioners damaging their nervous system through a variety of occult and eastern spiritual practices =/= an average young man with an addiction to porn. These are not equivalent things. They are not doing any of the same things, they don't have the same intentions, they are not the same demographic.

From a purely naturalistic point of view, if there is indeed some natural 'need,' there might be more credence to the idea that without constant bombardment of sexual imagery because viewing such things illicits a powerful and distorting response to the body's systems that is completely removed from any reasonable definition of nature. There's no application of terms like 'respectful, judicious' to it.

It quite literally destroys the mind and body. I don't know how I can be more clear, but perhaps these examples will help:

- Do we not all know what unrequited love does to us?
- Do we not know what holding in years of anger leads to?
- Do we not all know what unrepentant shame and guilt leads to?
- Do we really not know the end result of extreme sexual frustration and repression in a man?

Maybe James Joyce can help you: "Gazing up into the darkness I saw myself as a creature driven and derided by vanity; and my eyes burned with anguish and anger."

The idea that learning to deal with the opposite sex, even its disappointments, especially its disappointment, is actually unhealthy is a profoundly avoidant, helplessness inducing line of thinking.

It's one thing to whack off because you're a hedonist, quite another because you can't deal with rejection, don't want to overcome your fears or you feel lonely or otherwise escape reality. To say it is only going to exacerbate their problems might be a real understatement.

 

[snacks]

@gately
By their own account, doing what you're saying will result in them falling back into their old addiction. Someone compulsively masturbating to porn several times a day for years until they're completely impotent and life ruined has probably done a great deal of alteration and damage to their nervous and glandular systems, and who knows what else.

Another point is yoga practitioners damaging their nervous system through a variety of occult and eastern spiritual practices =/= an average young man with an addiction to porn. These are not equivalent things. They are not doing any of the same things, they don't have the same intentions, they are not the same demographic.

From a purely naturalistic point of view, if there is indeed some natural 'need,' there might be more credence to the idea that without constant bombardment of sexual imagery because viewing such things illicits a powerful and distorting response to the body's systems that is completely removed from any reasonable definition of nature. There's no application of terms like 'respectful, judicious' to it.



The idea that learning to deal with the opposite sex, even its disappointments, especially its disappointment, is actually unhealthy is a profoundly avoidant, helplessness inducing line of thinking.

It's one thing to whack off because you're a hedonist, quite another because you can't deal with rejection, don't want to overcome your fears or you feel lonely or otherwise escape reality. To say it is only going to exacerbate their problems might be a real understatement.

Yoga done in the "occult" "eastern" way won't damage your nervous system lol. Retards (not you, necessarily) love to "do" mcyoga or buddhism based on internet forums like MCTB or whatever the acronym is, **** themselves up and then blame eastern religion or paganism in the abstract. I don't even doubt that some cases of "kundalini" or things like it in the west are results of something other than a mystical experience given that their experiences have little in common with those of more verified spiritual advancement, but the extent to which people who think they're brilliant on this forum harp on the dumbest wannabe hindus is excessive and none of the other religious groups represented here would fare well if we took their average anglophone adherent as representative. The biggest tell of things like western style kundalini yoga and psychedelic adventurism (which is frankly just a royal road to becoming possessed by demons) aren't even shadows of genuine practice are that you'll never see a hindu who has this sort of thing and practices according to the sutras and agamas etc. regress in spiritual attainment or ethics but westerners who have kundalini awakenings are usually the same awful person a year later.

As to the rest, I think Aquinas (among others) is correct in framing the urge to jerk off as disordered in some basic way and agree that judicious and respectful are strange terms to use in reference to pornography. I think that both of you are discovering or already know that you really can't seriously discuss nature and what's natural without a rigorous definition of what constitutes nature and its laws. It's kind of a useless discussion if no common ground exists and I've found even ideas of morality and immorality are likely to have more potential to be productive than discussions centered around nature. I think that aversion to rejection follows compulsive masturbation rather than the other way around but that's not really important as neither is an especially good thing to do or have in the first place

Anyways I've spent more time than I already should have reading and contributing to a thread about jerking off so I won't reply to any response to this post, meant nothing unkind towards either of the people whose posts i addressed etc etc

 

[GreekDemiGod]

• nofap is "low T" behavior
• thinking about whether you should do nofap or not is also low T
• masturbation while hypothyroid is very low T
• masturbation when you're an incel / celibate without sexual opportunities, is the lowest T behavior one can engage. Peak loserdom.
• Nofap increases your vibration and spiritual powers, but a high metabolism should have the same effect.
• being hypothyroid is, in and of itself, low T

In an optimal, high-metabolism organism, done moderately, masturbation has no negative effects, but a pleasurable effect.
If masturbation leaves you drained and has a net negative effect on you, you are definitely in a poor state of health.

I reckon most strong Nofap practicioners are hypothyroid and/or hypogonadal, that's why they see those big benefits.

Case closed.

 

[gately]

but westerners who have kundalini awakenings are usually the same awful person a year later.

I'm in this post and I don't like it. Also, Daniel Ingram totally knows the way out of the dark night of the soul (which is totally normal to experience for a decade or more) and it's totally more vipassana. (Kidding.)

In all seriousness, I don't have a lot to add here. I'd qualify why I said 'respectful' and 'judicious' usage of pornography was likely fine under the pre-conditions mentioned, but it's really not important and relates more to my ideas about helping men overcome harmful fetishistic tendencies. Anyway, I'm bonpu af, so I hope my points weren't contingent upon my conception of natural law, because if so I did a piss poor job of defending said points. All I sincerely hope is that one quintessential point was clearly made to OP and any others of his mindset who might stumble on my writing: that extreme forms of sexual repression, like all forms of extreme repression, will--eventually--become self-evidently harmful to the mind and body. (I suppose just how self-evident will depend on an individual's level of self-awareness.)

@kyle
You're so badly misinterpreting everything I've written I don't really feel like debating with you any more. You keep wanting to equate my advice to a young person yo-yoing between the extremes of abstinence / over-indulgence, with sexual addiction. Either that or you feel that masturbation is in itself a symptom of sexual addiction. I can't really tell. Either way, this thread, and my posts in it, are not about addiction, at least not in the western sense of the word. My posts are about showing a misguided hombre the path between extremes, which imo, is the basis for the path of self-realization, not to mention safe. I feel like I've said all I wanted to say on the subject, which even when addressed to you, was really just for OP.

 

[pauljacob]

Masturbation is the ultimate self deception and abuse. It also depletes one physically, energetically and spiritually.