The Progest-E & Raw Honey High

[Rinse & rePeat]

SamuraiJack posted Progest-E facts on the page before this one, page 6, with most of them positive, but there were a couple of negatives.

I thought reading this it could go either way.....

"Progesterone plays an important role in the signaling of insulin release and pancreatic function, and may affect the susceptibility to diabetes or gestational diabetes."

 

[Rinse & rePeat]

"Can progesterone cause high blood sugar?

However, high levels of progesterone (usually during pregnancy) causes insulin resistance which is necessary so the fetus gets the proper amount of glucose, but those high levels may also contribute to gestational diabetes in some women.Nov 11, 2019"

How Diabetes Affects Estrogen and Progesterone - Viveve | US

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[Rinse & rePeat]

"Several studies have shown that high concentration of progesterone is related to abnormal glucose metabolism, including a high level of plasma glucose, increased insulin resistance, elevated insulin release and apoptosis of pancreatic β cells."

The effect of progesterone and pregnenolone on diabetes status in Chinese rural population: a dose–response analysis from Henan Rural Cohort

Objective Previous studies have uncovered a progestin-only contraceptive association with an increased risk of diabetes, but limited studies have explored the relationship of endogenous progesterone and pregnenolone levels with diabetes status. A case–control study was conducted in Henan Rural...

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[Rinse & rePeat]

"Increased progesterone may also raise your body temperature and worsen sweating, leading to clogged pores. This buildup of sebum beneath the skin's surface — along with dirt, dead skin cells, and bacteria — results in breakouts of acne before and during your period.Feb 4, 2021"

Hormonal Acne: Causes, Types, and Treatments

Hormonal acne refers to breakouts that occur due to hormone fluctuations, particularly a rise in androgens such as testosterone. Although the acne that results from hormonal fluctuations in puberty is typically called hormonal acne, it may affect adults at any age. It’s particularly common ...

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[Rinse & rePeat]

"This high testosterone level can cause hormonal cystic acne, oily skin, and clogged pores. Low progesterone is a causative factor in leading testosterone into DHT. When progesterone levels are low then they regulate DHT levels. One main way progesterone becomes low is when estrogen is dominant.May 26, 2021"

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[Rinse & rePeat]

Using progesterone isn't so protective that it covers a bad diet that includes things like rancid cod liver oil as you have debated as being ok compared to salmon. It is a good thing to ADD to a proper Ray Peat diet for a time not for everday and always.

 

[Rinse & rePeat]

I think my next post should be on suppliments because I am amazed how much of it goes on in this forum in the name of Ray Peat.

 

[Rinse & rePeat]

EDITING WHAT I SAID HERE

If you have been deficient too long a B2 deficiency can cause damage and normal supplimentation wont help, and B2 supplimenting can backfire if taken too long.

I am combining what he said at the 13 minute mark and 37:19 mark.

Sorry for the misinformation about it causing damage supplimenting B2 when not necessary stores are full.

That is why you should listen to it yourself Mr. Bollox why wont you?

 

[Dr. B]

He says too much B2 can cause damage when your stores of it are full and you keep supplimenting.

wow, what damage did he say it can cause

"Several studies have shown that high concentration of progesterone is related to abnormal glucose metabolism, including a high level of plasma glucose, increased insulin resistance, elevated insulin release and apoptosis of pancreatic β cells."

The effect of progesterone and pregnenolone on diabetes status in Chinese rural population: a dose–response analysis from Henan Rural Cohort

Objective Previous studies have uncovered a progestin-only contraceptive association with an increased risk of diabetes, but limited studies have explored the relationship of endogenous progesterone and pregnenolone levels with diabetes status. A case–control study was conducted in Henan Rural...

eje.bioscientifica.com

wow, we need to know more, im curious what Peat would say about this, we need to ask him! concerning @Hans @Lokzo @boris

 

[Rinse & rePeat]

wow, what damage did he say it can cause



wow, we need to know more, im curious what Peat would say about this, we need to ask him! concerning @Hans @Lokzo @boris

Again it is too much to for me to type out having a busy life. He talks about it all in this interview, with the B2 being damaging and reading a book before listening to random people taking progestone in the second half.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuSfV43Quuo

 

[Rinse & rePeat]

At the 6 minute mark Ray Peat talks about getting people OFF OF THEIR SUPPLIMENTS. He says oily suppliments on skin are safer than orally. He says people with allergies that were sent to to him, all were taking ascorbic acid and vitamin A and other suppliments. Within a week of him recommended them to stop taking all suppliments, almost all of them had their allergy symptoms go away.

 

[Rinse & rePeat]

Riboflavin, B2 would give RP serious side effects, around the 13 minute mark.

 

[Rinse & rePeat]

At the 16:20 minute mark RP talks about how horrible vitamin C is. The free radicals were as bad as from x-rays.

 

[Rinse & rePeat]

At 37:19 is where he talks about low vitamin B2 deficiency causing mitichodria damage and how B2 wont respond to normal amounts. So maybe I misunderstood the mechanism? It sounds to me like diet needs to be good to fix it and not just supplimenting.

 

[Rinse & rePeat]

44:04 on this video Ray Peat talks about how your body can make it's own progesterone.

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[Mossy]

"Keep in mind progesterone can cause gingivitis...”

This makes complete sense to me, based on my experience.

 

[Rinse & rePeat]

This makes complete sense to me, based on my experience.

That is scary, did you reverse your gingivitis?

 

[Mossy]

That is scary, did you reverse your gingivitis?

I simply stopped taking progesterone and the hypersensitivity of my gums went away. In general, I don’t have the best gum health these days, but it’s better without progesterone.

 

[Dr. B]

I simply stopped taking progesterone and the hypersensitivity of my gums went away. In general, I don’t have the best gum health these days, but it’s better without progesterone.

how does this occur i thought progesterone is all good mate

 

[Mossy]

how does this occur i thought progesterone is all good mate

Well, as @Rinse & rePeat had posted, Dr. Peat gives some insight to what may be the cause:

I heard him talk about it in an interview. He was mostly referring to women after menopause. He said if you are through menopause, have depeted PUFA's from your body and are eating a low PUFA diet, supplementing progesterone isn't necessary. It makes perfect sense, if you aren't estrogen dominant then you don't have anything to oppose. Keep in mind progesterone can cause gingivitis and is precarious for those with diabetes. So it is a wonderful tool for protective reasons, but it does have downsides.