Peatist Losers [Weight Loss]

[thebigpeatowski]

Low fat works very well to lose weight, but most people also inadvertently cut down protein and carbs in an effort to avoid fat. If you do this you will not lose weight. You MUST increase carbs and protein intake if doing a low fat diet, to compensate for both the increase in metabolic rate and the reduction of calories, to stave off rises in cortisol and other stress hormones. A good rule is to pay attention to how you feel: if you are uncomfortable, you're doing something wrong

Um, that IS what were doing....did you read the whole thread? I realize it's sorta becoming a jumbled mess of bull**** upthread, but our aim is true.

 

[whodathunkit]

Stats for today

Waking temp: 98.4
FBG: 104
Weight: 164.4 lbs

Okay, I know I said I wasn't going to post stats every day and I'm not, promise. But I'm trying different things and wanting to see how they work, hence the stats.

Yesterday I ate again ad libitum, more than the day before but still VLF. I also ate more later at night. Usually I eat only very small portions after about 6p because of potential digestive issues. But last night I had a nice helping of the raisins and milk thing at about 9:30p. Much more food, and later, than I usually eat. This probably accounts for the little increase in blood sugar. Which is still 10 reliable clicks less than when I eat fat.

Posted the stats because I lost *a pound*.

And that's all. Prolly no more stats for about a week. Although I can't make promises. If I drop another two pounds or my FBG magically goes to 88, I might have to share sooner.

Other notes: I increased thyroid yesterday and switched dosing strategy to a couple drops every couple of hours. IMO one of the great things about the Tyromax is that it's easy to titrate dose. Even if you don't know exactly how much thyroid your getting, you can at least know that two drops every 2 hours makes you feel better than six drops every six hours. Etc.

I also increased progesterone yesterday to counter a little bit of irritability for the same reason. I also cut pregnenolone. Irritability seems to be gone today and mood overall improved.

 

[thebigpeatowski]

I had a horrific night last night, horrible insomnia/effed up guts which was triggered with a new food (something I haven't eaten in years.....Gee, I wonder why I've been avoiding it like the plague )...it's a long story (as usual) and totally my fault.

I'm not going to clutter up this thread with all of my bull**** theories, so I'm just gonna think about things for a bit.

WEIGHT: 133.2
FASTING BG: 113 after eating a heaping tablespoon of activated charcoal at midnight AND an entire pint of ice cream (so NO, not low fat at all) at One O'clock in the ************* morning in an attempt to kill the noise in my brain and sooth me colon.

Brain Damage....it's What's For Dinner.
My guts feel awesome today, poop totally back to normal (excepting that it was half green half black)

Fat is so soothing....dammit.

Where do I punch in the calories for food eaten in the middle of the night during an excitotoxic meltdown on Cron-OCD? I feel like it belongs to Yesterday's Mess, but technically it occurred This Very Morning.

 

[Hugh Johnson]

 

[whodathunkit]

I had a horrific night last night, horrible insomnia/effed up guts which was triggered with a new food (something I haven't eaten in years.....Gee, I wonder why I've been avoiding it like the plague )...it's a long story (as usual) and totally my fault.

OMG. You hafta know you simply *cannot* drop a bomb like that and not spill what you ate. So, do tell. Inquiring minds need to know. At any rate, I *like* the philosophical maundering.

That said, I wouldn't worry to much about the FBG. With the green poop and load of ice cream it sounds like liver stuff going on. You may be mobilizing more crap out of your liver with this VLF protocol. PUFA, iron, whatever. I myself have noticed that my poop lately often smells like the iron supplements I OD'd on 10 years ago when I found out for the first time that my hemoglobin was low. How's that for TMI?

Remember I've been going VLF off and on with starch for over six months now so this has been happening even before I started this experiment, which is why it started before VLF Peat.

Anyway, iron gets stored in the liver and too much stored iron can cause a lot of problems, especially with sugar metabolism. As per a post upthread, an iron transfusion jacked my FBG up nearly 60 points for over a year.

And in fact, what brought FBG back down again was an apparent "liver flush" involving taking choline (which the liver likes in the right quantities, especially if it's deficient). It's a long story itself, but the upshot is that after taking a choline-heavy nootropic stack involving a lot of choline, I crashed with what I've come to call a "choline flu". I pooped green water for days. No need to thank me for TMI. Also fever, nausea, and other symptoms of a crash.

Also didn't eat much of anything except ginger ale and grape juice for about a week. So, lots of sugary carbs and no fat.

I didn't do any of this on purpose, and in fact I don't recommend the choline now. The choline stack was just another experiment on my part, and the choline flu was an unexpected result. It turned out well for me, but not sure anyone else could or should replicate it.

When I finally felt well enough to take my FBG again my sugar had come back down to my pre-transfusion levels. And it never went back up. My food cravings were also miraculously reduced. I haven't wanted the same crap to eat since, and I want less food in general. It was in fact this "choline flu" that put me on the track for losing the weight I've lost in the last couple years.

Just sayin' that toxin flush or iron flush is a possible cause of your FBG reading. I wouldn't worry about it, at least not for a while.

Where do I punch in the calories for food eaten in the middle of the night during an excitotoxic meltdown on Cron-OCD? I feel like it belongs to Yesterday's Mess, but technically it occurred This Very Morning.

Today. Anything after you officially go to bed gets logged on the next day.

 

[thebigpeatowski]

nwm, don't actually want to mess up your thread.

I love it.

 

[thebigpeatowski]

Yeah, liver stuff for sure.

 

[thebigpeatowski]

*BEWARE*

Omfg...Skinny Jean Syndrome, it's for real.

Skinny Jeans Can Lead to Nerve and Muscle Damage, Doctors Say


We're Big Pants People.

 

[whodathunkit]

We're Big Pants People.

IMO whoever got the idea to put spandex into denim deserves a freaking Nobel Prize.

 

[managing]

So, I've spent the last few days catching up to this thread, but here I am.

Here is my plan:

Breakfast and lunch via the Peat Plan:
OJ
Skim Milk
Low-fat Cheese
Carrot
Eggs
Fresh fruit (mango, berries, mandarins, nectarines, apricots)
salt

Dinner with my family normal, which for us means low PUFA, low starch, generally peat friendly home-cooked meals.

Some questions:
-should I include T3 or coffee?
-should I track how much, or just consume what my appettite dictates. Two days in, no cravings. Not consuming crazy calories, but not counting either.
-I dress my carrots with EVOO, is this a problem? Hard to eat them dry . . .
-any limit on eggs? Obviously not low fat . . .
-anything you would suggest?

I am not desperate to lose weight, but I do need to lose ~20lbs worth of fat. So I don't care if it goes slowly, so long as it goes. I am a pretty active male, 45. Road bike and mountain bike 2-3x week for ~2 hrs. Concentric weight training 2-3x week for 30 minutes.

Yesterday I felt well other than getting a little dizzy and short of breath. That's when I realized that I hadn't supplemented salt. I've remembered salt today and its been much better. I'd like to cut down the liquid a little. Replace milk with cheese, replace OJ w/ whole fruit?

 

[KellyP]

So, I've spent the last few days catching up to this thread, but here I am.

Here is my plan:

Breakfast and lunch via the Peat Plan:
OJ
Skim Milk
Low-fat Cheese
Carrot
Eggs
Fresh fruit (mango, berries, mandarins, nectarines, apricots)
salt

Dinner with my family normal, which for us means low PUFA, low starch, generally peat friendly home-cooked meals.

Some questions:
-should I include T3 or coffee?
-should I track how much, or just consume what my appettite dictates. Two days in, no cravings. Not consuming crazy calories, but not counting either.
-I dress my carrots with EVOO, is this a problem? Hard to eat them dry . . .
-any limit on eggs? Obviously not low fat . . .
-anything you would suggest?

I am not desperate to lose weight, but I do need to lose ~20lbs worth of fat. So I don't care if it goes slowly, so long as it goes. I am a pretty active male, 45. Road bike and mountain bike 2-3x week for ~2 hrs. Concentric weight training 2-3x week for 30 minutes.

Yesterday I felt well other than getting a little dizzy and short of breath. That's when I realized that I hadn't supplemented salt. I've remembered salt today and its been much better. I'd like to cut down the liquid a little. Replace milk with cheese, replace OJ w/ whole fruit?

Hey @managing , my husband is 33 and has some weight to lose. Also a few other symptoms (slower healing, lower energy...), and we've been talking about whether the LFHC Peat approach works out the same way for men as for women. Have you been doing regular/HF Peat before this?

 

[thebigpeatowski]

IMO whoever got the idea to put spandex into denim deserves a freaking Nobel Prize.

Spandex Pants, true story:

My friend Jane is getting real real tired of me complaining about my pants being too tight and she's far more hip than I am. She eyes me up and down and blurts out that I'm in desperate need a of an Update and boy oh boy she knows just the place to go.

We agree to meet for lunch at Panera in the mall (shudders), I hate places like this. Really truly despise shopping malls (almost as much as doctors), but I'm trying to be open-minded (read normal). I drink overly sugared/milky coffee for lunch cuz there is NOTHING on their menu that I would deem to be PUFA free.

Next, she proceeds to take me to Old Navy, really Jane? You realize I'm perched on the precipice of 50 years old. She reassures me that they have LOTS of styles and cuts that are "super cute and flattering" for every figure.

Are you telling me that my beloved ultra faded 501's don't fall within the range of cute or flattering? I'm starting to get hot on the back my neck. She asks me for my size and sends me off to find a dressing room. Hands are getting clammy. I don't have a flippin' clue what size I am. I haven't bought regular woman-sized pants since.....ever....as in never.

I spent the next two hours in humiliating exasperation while she brought size after size and style after style to my dressing room. I must have tried on a hundred different pairs, NONE of them fit right. Jane is shocked and incredulous at her own failure to provide anything that looks remotely cute or flattering on Oddbody.

Jane decides Oddbody needs fitting help from a Professional and off to Nordstrom's we go. I'm now bright red and sweating profusely as I ponder what this will co$t me. But the Professionals are very smooth....Calm, Cool, Collected. How do these women stay so polished? I decide it must be a full-time job.

Oddbody is escorted to a room while Smooth Operators ferry LOADS of Darling Spandex Pants with expert silver platter service....and did you know, ALL Super Cute Jeans come with a Bonafide Guarantee that I will look a full size Smaller than I really am??? Who knew? My nervous sweat begins to dissipate in the air-conditioned, properly lit private fitting room. It's all under control.

Oh, mmmmm....this is Oddbody's first time in Spandex and it sure DOES FEEL GOOD....hugging my curves, smoothing my bulges and stabilizing the loose skin from a 75 pound fat loss. These really Aren't Your Daughter's Jeans!!!

Yep, Spandex Fancy Pants...It's like getting a sensual massage...until you see the Pricetag. $$$196.00 per pair$$$

Meh, they don't feel that good.

 

[thebigpeatowski]

Yesterday I felt well other than getting a little dizzy and short of breath.

Salt and Potassium.

 

[managing]

Hey @managing , my husband is 33 and has some weight to lose. Also a few other symptoms (slower healing, lower energy...), and we've been talking about whether the LFHC Peat approach works out the same way for men as for women. Have you been doing regular/HF Peat before this?

I've mostly conquered the low energy issues through "regular" peat. Gained weight, which is no surprise, but feel tons better. Just want to get the excess fat off. I've stabilized around 205-210 for some time now. i can do pretty much whatever I want (reasonably) and not gain weight. I'm a big guy, 6'2" with a broad frame and some muscle (mostly thanks to peat eating). I'd like to get down around 185-190 (or more appropriately, get some excess fat off my belly) to get really healthy and let my obdy decide how to apportion fat/muscle from there. I anticipate I can maintain that weight effortlessly too by normal peat stuff. If I did put any back on Id be surprised.

And yes, no reason to limit it to women.

 

[managing]

Salt and Potassium.

As I mentioned, remembered the salt today and much better. in what form potassium? and any better than just salt?

 

[thebigpeatowski]

I anticipate I can maintain that weight effortlessly too by normal peat stuff. If I did put any back on Id be surprised.

And yes, no reason to limit it to women.

EXACTLY this.....natedawggh did it....pretty sure he's dude.

 

[thebigpeatowski]

OMG. You hafta know you simply *cannot* drop a bomb like that and not spill what you ate. So, do tell. Inquiring minds need to know. At any rate, I *like* the philosophical maundering.

Nah, I don't wish to muddy the waters. Peeps need to stick to Peatish Principles for a Proper Evaluation.

I'm an Outlier....I could list my many theories, but it always ends up being confusing clutter which never comes to fruition.

Perhaps Our Lady of Perpetual Procrastination will start a new thread on Liver Purification....a purge of sorts, but not until the backwards spelling slows a bit.

 

[EIRE24]

For Weeding somewhat in ascending order of Peatishness (actually I've only seen him recommend the first two):

1. raw carrots
2. pau d'arco
3. raw garlic & onions
4. high dose standardized olive leaf extract
5. 100% pure gum spirits of turpentine

For Feeding, noting that Peat does NOT think you should feed gut flora:

1. garlic
2. onions
3. artichoke hearts
4. potatoes
5. any fiber that suits you

If you have an endotoxic meltdown, as I've been known do when trying out new foods, then take some Activated Charcoal and eat ice cream.

So, obviously the weeding should be done first. I actually already eat a lot of potatoes and they seem to do me good. Although I do suffer from poor skin and dryness but maybe this isn't to do with endotoxin as I have the same symptoms without potatoes. I don't eat any of the other things that feed bacteria. What exact symptoms do you see from endotoxin?

 

[thebigpeatowski]

What exact symptoms do you see from endotoxin?

It can start with bloating then maybe proceed to a shift in mood. Next comes insomnia and tinnitus....if the freight train continues eventually diarrhea and brain damage....to name a few....oh, joint pain and some gnarly acne in the following days just for good measure. But it doesn't have to come in any particular order.

There is NO doubt in my mind that Peat's Diet raises metabolism which is excellent.

What I'm trying to figure out is why raising metabolism causes massive amounts of oxidative stress to my particular system. It's a godamn merry-go-round and I'm too dumb to figure it out......actually, I think I know the answer, but it isn't a popular idea around here.

For me there is a definite gut flora component.....hence the Weed & Feed. For me, it's a continual daily Weed & Feed.

 

[managing]

It can start with bloating then maybe proceed to a shift in mood. Next comes insomnia and tinnitus....if the freight train continues eventually diarrhea and brain damage....to name a few....oh, joint pain and some gnarly acne in the following days just for good measure. But it doesn't have to come in any particular order.

There is NO doubt in my mind that Peat's Diet raises metabolism which is excellent.

What I'm trying to figure out is why raising metabolism causes massive amounts of oxidative stress to my particular system. It's a godamn merry-go-round and I'm too dumb to figure it out......actually, I think I know the answer, but it isn't a popular idea around here.

For me there is a definite gut flora component.....hence the Weed & Feed. For me, it's a continual daily Weed & Feed.

Have you ever tried diatomaceous earth? Gave me the most powerful Herxheimer reaction i've ever experienced. Never could get past it.

Carrot and activated charcoal work well for me to manage, but I'd love to find a way to conquer the flora once and for all w/o suffering so much.