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iLoveSugar said:Recent quotes to me from RP:
Have you already tried cynoplus and it didn't work for you?
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iLoveSugar said:Recent quotes to me from RP:
iLoveSugar said:Took 48 mcg of T3 yesterday (4x 12mcg doses), and still didn't warm up at all.
Haagendazendiane said:Ok, sorry, I just read back thru this thread and read you had been taking cytomel for months with no results.
Are you monitoring your temperature and pulse throughout the day?
Your basal temperature?
j. said:iLoveSugar said:Recent quotes to me from RP:
Have you already tried cynoplus and it didn't work for you?
Haagendazendiane said:iLoveSugar said:Took 48 mcg of T3 yesterday (4x 12mcg doses), and still didn't warm up at all.
There is a story of a woman who initially needed 12 grains. Has RP recommended to you how to increase the t3?
"Since T3 has a short half life, it should be taken frequently. If the liver isn't producing a noticeable amount of T3, it is usually helpful to take a few micorgrams per hour. Since it restores respiration and metabolic efficiency very quickly, it isn't usually necessary to take it every hour or two, but until normal temperature and pulse have been achieved and stabilized, sometimes it's necessary to take it four or more times during the day. T4 acts by being changed to T3, so it tends to accumulate in the body, and on a given dose, usually reaches a steady concentration after about two weeks. "
Haagendazendiane said:I just found some old notes I made from the beginning of October, 2012. My basal temperature was around 96 and I only reached 98 one afternoon after painting walls for an hour. Now, a year later, I usually wake with a temperature of 97.9 and once it was 98.1 ( yesterday). My temperature used to drop after breakfast and now it climbs to 98.6 and stays up. I don't have the really low temperatures anymore and since starting the cynoplus/cynomel the tension in my neck and shoulders has decreased. It has taken over a year to get to this point and I expect to only get better.
Hang in there and keep trying all the varied suggestions. Keeping a journal of what you do and how you feel could be helpful. I sporadically wrote notes about my temperature and pulse, so was glad to find the one from last year to see the progress I made.
natedawggh said:Isn't Cytomel synthetic? If your hands and feet are always cold its just not working for you. Have you tried the natural, desiccated thyroid meds? Also, are you getting enough protein, zinc and copper——all essential for thyroid hormone to work correctly? Cottage cheese. Also, sources that include the conditionally essential amino acid taurine can help—oysters, dark fowl meat like duck, and dark Turkey meat. Synthetic taurine (like in energy drinks) isn't the same but may help. Try natural sources first. Definitely go on natural desiccated thyroid though.
iLoveSugar said:Always cold; but not sure if my dose has been high enough? I also have tried NDT (Nature-Throid), and felt nothing either. Ray strongly recommended Cynomel or cynoplus also, due to the crazy and dangerous fillers in NDT. Protein- I am getting a nice amount, although not quite 100g daily. Probably about 60-70. Not sure what includes zinc and copper, maybe fish? If so, I do not eat any shellfish. I bought cottage cheese last week to try and it turned my stomach. It disgusted me. I bought a powdered supplement; taurine. RP says it could help with my daily fatigue. I stopped taking it after 4-5 days, I didn't notice anything.
ilovethesea said:iLoveSugar said:Always cold; but not sure if my dose has been high enough? I also have tried NDT (Nature-Throid), and felt nothing either. Ray strongly recommended Cynomel or cynoplus also, due to the crazy and dangerous fillers in NDT. Protein- I am getting a nice amount, although not quite 100g daily. Probably about 60-70. Not sure what includes zinc and copper, maybe fish? If so, I do not eat any shellfish. I bought cottage cheese last week to try and it turned my stomach. It disgusted me. I bought a powdered supplement; taurine. RP says it could help with my daily fatigue. I stopped taking it after 4-5 days, I didn't notice anything.
How long were you on the combined T3/T4 meds? You can't expect it to work the same way as T3 only, with immediate results. T4 takes time to build up in the tissues, that's why Broda Barnes only recommended increasing dosages every 2 months. Some people don't start to feel any effects until 6-8 wks.
RP recommends NDT anyway for long term, so I don't think it's a good idea to get stuck messing around on the T3... I think that part of his message confuses a lot of people. If you're freezing cold and have low body temperature and low pulse then chances are you need T3 and T4 to correct your hypothyroidism.
iLoveSugar said:After many emails back and fourth with RP, he says T3 alone is better at first to adjust and more reliable. T4 will not convert properly if the liver health isn't great.
iLoveSugar said:natedawggh said:Isn't Cytomel synthetic? If your hands and feet are always cold its just not working for you. Have you tried the natural, desiccated thyroid meds? Also, are you getting enough protein, zinc and copper——all essential for thyroid hormone to work correctly? Cottage cheese. Also, sources that include the conditionally essential amino acid taurine can help—oysters, dark fowl meat like duck, and dark Turkey meat. Synthetic taurine (like in energy drinks) isn't the same but may help. Try natural sources first. Definitely go on natural desiccated thyroid though.
Always cold; but not sure if my dose has been high enough? I also have tried NDT (Nature-Throid), and felt nothing either. Ray strongly recommended Cynomel or cynoplus also, due to the crazy and dangerous fillers in NDT. Protein- I am getting a nice amount, although not quite 100g daily. Probably about 60-70. Not sure what includes zinc and copper, maybe fish? If so, I do not eat any shellfish. I bought cottage cheese last week to try and it turned my stomach. It disgusted me. I bought a powdered supplement; taurine. RP says it could help with my daily fatigue. I stopped taking it after 4-5 days, I didn't notice anything.
ilovethesea said:iLoveSugar said:After many emails back and fourth with RP, he says T3 alone is better at first to adjust and more reliable. T4 will not convert properly if the liver health isn't great.
Do you have a liver issue? How do you know your liver health isn't great?
I had very elevated liver enzymes and was at the point where my doctor wanted me to get a liver biopsy, but they went down when I stopped listening to her and got on NDT. The hypo was the cause of the liver problem.
iLoveSugar said:Ray strongly recommended Cynomel or cynoplus also, due to the crazy and dangerous fillers in NDT.
iLoveSugar said:I have Nature Throid and tried for 2 weeks with it. Felt nothing.
ilovethesea said:T4 takes time to build up in the tissues, that's why Broda Barnes only recommended increasing dosages every 2 months. Some people don't start to feel any effects until 6-8 wks.
j. said:iLoveSugar, what was your dose of the NDT?